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I really want to run the Kytan in the Trinity of Blood.

Gerinako wrote:
I really want to run the Kytan in the Trinity of Blood.

This sounds like it can be a semi competitve build however wallets will cry from the beating they will recieve. Would be nice if you could fit a cabal with 3 khytans.

gungo wrote:

Gerinako wrote:
I really want to run the Kytan in the Trinity of Blood.

This sounds like it can be a semi competitve build however wallets will cry from the beating they will recieve. Would be nice if you could fit a cabal with 3 khytans.

I'm literally just speccing that up

3 Kytans only leave 275 points

3 Sorcerers leaves only 115 for upgrades.

Trying to work out what to prioritise
Do I go bikes for the save and the movement or do I find a ruin and hide? Decisions!
Or do I even bother...!

Gerinako wrote:

gungo wrote:

Gerinako wrote:
I really want to run the Kytan in the Trinity of Blood.

This sounds like it can be a semi competitve build however wallets will cry from the beating they will recieve. Would be nice if you could fit a cabal with 3 khytans.

I'm literally just speccing that up

3 Kytans only leave 275 points

3 Sorcerers leaves only 115 for upgrades.

Trying to work out what to prioritise
Do I go bikes for the save and the movement or do I find a ruin and hide? Decisions!
Or do I even bother...!

Might want to try to go all in on summoning cabal to get some objective grabbers. The meta kinda builds toward dealing with Bike spam right now.

art from the book, via the FB page :

Yeah, that ought to end well for Daenor.

Warhams-77 wrote:
This is actually not from Atia but a Natfka source, that's why she posted a screenshot of the text which was re-posted on B&C.

It wasn't even Natfka:

via aracerssx, originally from 4chan;
Well, saw the Traitor's Hate stuff and talked about it to the redshirt. Supposedly it has datasheets for all renegade knight patterns seperatly instead of the single one from the box, i.e. Warden, Crusader and so on. Dedications are in.
Kharn will get a new datasheet, but will mostly stay the same except for one change. Maybe the rumored Eternal Warrior, the guy refused to clarify that. He can be taken in CSM and KDK.
Black Legion meta formation is the usual decurion stuff. Several formations combine daemons and CSM. It's all about BL and CS, so no stuff for other legions.
The psychic disciplines are not god-specific and availiable to all psykers.

Names of the new heretic Psychic Disciplines.
Ectomancy (mmm, Ecto Cooler)
Geomortis
Sinisturm
Heretech

Rumored Heretech power:

Howl of the Warp
Warp Charge 2

Blessing targeting a friendly unit within 18"

Unit's ranged weapons become AP3, Gets Hot

I like the BA chaplain’s mini, but that art is not doing him any favors.

And yah, that’s not going to end well for him. IMHO the only safe way to deal with Kharn is a high speed strafing run.

 redleger wrote:
I wanna make sure I'm not losing my mind. My understanding is no new relics, and not useable with Black Legion, so can't use their relics. In other words vanilla relics only?

Why can't it be Black Legion?

Do we know if the Blood Angels Ancients bundle (3x furioso) offer any discounts?

thanks

 RedFox wrote:
Do we know if the Blood Angels Ancients bundle (3x furioso) offer any discounts?

thanks

according to rumors it costs 65£ with an retail of 84£ so looks like you save 19£

The Blood Angel stuff should probably get its own thread but i'm too lazy to keep the OP updated.

 Nevelon wrote:
I like the BA chaplain’s mini, but that art is not doing him any favors.

And yah, that’s not going to end well for him. IMHO the only safe way to deal with Kharn is a high speed strafing run.

I don't know the rules for this named chaplain but he actually have some chances on charge (and it's more likely with jump-pack) - first of all - a great chance to instakill kharn with inferno pistol - he is only 5++
second - Kharn in defence have 6 attacks - most likley - 5 wounds - 4++ on chaplain and 5+ FNP so it's about 2 wound (I assume that named chaplain as reclusiarchs would have 3 wounds). And in return - it's something like 6 attacks - 3 hits(reroll) 4-5 hits - 4 wounds - 1-2 can make through armour - next round chappie hits first because of concussive.

Curious question.

Can the Librarian Dread IC, join other units of Dreads ex. Furioso? And from there, could another subsequent Ic join that?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Curious question.

Can the Librarian Dread IC, join other units of Dreads ex. Furioso? And from there, could another subsequent Ic join that?

There is no Independent character vehicle in game.

Makes sense.

I'm not familiar with Blood Angels, but Librarian Dreads as HQ options made things sound interesting.

Will the new chaos tactical objective cards be available outside the special edition?

I've seen the book and psychic decks up for preorder separately but not the TO cards.

 GoonBandito wrote:

There are 6 new Tactical Objectives:
* 1VP for destroying an enemy unit during your turn
* 1VP for manifesting a psychic power
* roll a die when you draw the card, and if you control the objective matching the die you score 1VP
* 1VP for rolling on the Boon table. D3 VPs if you roll 3 times
* D3 VPs for controlling an objective that your opponent controlled at the start of your turn
* 1VP if your warlord got Unworthy Offering or Spawnhood. D3+3 if he got Apotheosis, or D3 if he got any other result.

Would you be able to give me the names of those objectives?

 CT GAMER wrote:
Will the new chaos tactical objective cards be available outside the special edition?

I've seen the book and psychic decks up for preorder separately but not the TO cards.

I was wondering this as well, and it does not appear so. figures.

Ok, where are those Damned psychic powers? People can take pictures of one of them. People have been posting pictures of the new Kharn model standing on top of the book. People have written full, in depth summaries of the fluff. How do we not yet have confirmation on the new powers, and whether they're all the same as or different from the CSM ones?

 SirDigby wrote:
I'm just glad we didn't get the worst powers of Angels of Death copied over, and then terrible new Chaos version to replace the good ones. I was honestly expecting us to get something worse.

What about a Tzeentch Cabal with Sigils & Veil of Time, zooming around on discs with 3++ rerollable. Chuck in a Force Axe or two and with Might of Heroes + Force you'll be butchering face. -Just a bugger you'll be forced to lose one of your rolls for taking MoT.

How about undivided cabal in a small unit of slaanesh bikers with icon of excess for 4+ re-rollable invulnerable, and feel no pain ?

Earlier, we showed you a piece of artwork from Traitor’s Hate where Khârn battles a Death Company Chaplain of the Blood Angels. Half of that image, as you know, is the cover of Traitor’s Hate. We can now let you know that the other half is the cover of it’s opposite, Angel’s Blade, which tells the tale of the same brutal opening battles of the 13th Black Crusade, but from the Imperial perspective.

Like Traitor’s Hate, there are lots of new rules in there, but this time for the sons of Sanguinius, including Formations, Detachments, Vehicle Squadrons, updated Datasheets and some particularly cool rules for Death Company fans…

You can pre-order this book very soon.

I bet they don't get cool new rules giving them Hatred forces of chaos.

 redleger wrote:
I bet they don't get cool new rules giving them Hatred forces of chaos.

Goodness, the horror! That would be quite the useless trait, considering you won't ever see Chaos on the table anyway!

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 redleger wrote:
I bet they don't get cool new rules giving them Hatred forces of chaos.

Goodness, the horror! That would be quite the useless trait, considering you won't ever see Chaos on the table anyway!

all sarcasm aside, you see less Chaos then you do Imperium. My point being though I doubt they would give them a rule that is entirely situational and useless unless you are only fighting certain factions.

 redleger wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 redleger wrote:
I bet they don't get cool new rules giving them Hatred forces of chaos.

Goodness, the horror! That would be quite the useless trait, considering you won't ever see Chaos on the table anyway!

all sarcasm aside, you see less Chaos then you do Imperium. My point being though I doubt they would give them a rule that is entirely situational and useless unless you are only fighting certain factions.

To be fair, Daemons are actually seen on the table occasionally. But, GW does seem to be shying away from rules that are rarely useful, as seen in Deathwatch where they lack any rules that only affect Xenos. The new CSM decurion does have hatred Imperium, but thats a common enough faction for me to not be upset.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 redleger wrote:
I wanna make sure I'm not losing my mind. My understanding is no new relics, and not useable with Black Legion, so can't use their relics. In other words vanilla relics only?

Why can't it be Black Legion?

Im not 100% sure on this, but since this is a suppliment and not a codex, unless the suppliment specifically says may take from x codex/suppliment, then the suppliment then only refers back to the vanilla codex for relics right? I mean most suppliments have their own relics, but apparently this one does not, so how does this interact with the rest of the CSM stuff?

I am confused. Are there not new relics for CSM or the Knight? This is a supplement with new formations and tactical objectives, but not even relics for the CSM? Even though Angels of Death had multiple sets of new relics for SM? And Imperials have lots of variants / relics / formations for all their Knights?

Incredible middle finger to Chaos from GW if that's true. Though I guess that would be par for the course. I guess with psychic powers we lucked out at least getting the copy rather than less and/or worse versions as apparently we do with most other things.

WTB Space Marine formations and relics...

 redleger wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 redleger wrote:
I wanna make sure I'm not losing my mind. My understanding is no new relics, and not useable with Black Legion, so can't use their relics. In other words vanilla relics only?

Why can't it be Black Legion?

Im not 100% sure on this, but since this is a suppliment and not a codex, unless the suppliment specifically says may take from x codex/suppliment, then the suppliment then only refers back to the vanilla codex for relics right? I mean most suppliments have their own relics, but apparently this one does not, so how does this interact with the rest of the CSM stuff?

With regards to the formations at least the BL and CS books allow you to take any CSM formation as BL/CS. So unless something in this book specifically prohibits that should be good. Can't speak to relics or anything else.

Above are scans of the new CSM powers. They are all identical in function to the SM versions.