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Tyranid607 wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
i sill dont understand what is the use of scything talons on genestealer


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shadowfinder wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

Can you buy upgrade? Toxin sac ,,, adrenal glands, any other upgrades?

scything talons is the only upgrade

It's an extra melee weapon so they get +1 attack.

Are you sure they're 14 points base? You said earlier it was 13.

14, my mistake

Huh, yeah, my mistake as well, I heard from another source who had access to the book they were 13. Ah well. Not a dealbreaker with all the buffs they get.

Tyranid607 wrote:

shadowfinder wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
i sill dont understand what is the use of scything talons on genestealer


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shadowfinder wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

Can you buy upgrade? Toxin sac ,,, adrenal glands, any other upgrades?

scything talons is the only upgrade

It's an extra melee weapon so they get +1 attack.

Are you sure they're 14 points base? You said earlier it was 13.

For the cost of a full unit upgrade. You can get one more acelote or meta!


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Any info on the magus?

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Got to take a break

Thanks you are amazing. Info on the primues .point cost mainly for me

I'm not sure if I'll want to go with the Jumbo Detachment, or just use a bunch of formations so I can spam psychic dice.

Oh man this is all very exciting

but man i have only 1 gripe.

the Grinder Goliath front end makes no sense to me :/

how and what on earth or any other planet is that supposed to grind or clear. :/

really wish they reused the Hades drill front instead.

 Lansirill wrote:
I'm not sure if I'll want to go with the Jumbo Detachment, or just use a bunch of formations so I can spam psychic dice.

Why not both? A CAD of two lvl 2 Magi and 2 Neophyte squads (ObSec Ambushing Returning) and the Broodcoven (taken outside of the Insurrection Detachment) both provide 4 psychic dice for sub 300 points, and offer compelling benefits. Plus they don't interfere with detachment bonus when joined: they have Infiltrate so they don't jam that, if they join a unit that has Infiltrate and is gaining Shrouded, the Shrouded benefit confers by its own rule, and the restoring models still works since it's the unit that has the rule (Obvs can't recycle the ICs).

Alendrel wrote:

 Lansirill wrote:
I'm not sure if I'll want to go with the Jumbo Detachment, or just use a bunch of formations so I can spam psychic dice.

Why not both? A CAD of two lvl 2 Magi and 2 Neophyte squads (ObSec Ambushing Returning) and the Broodcoven (taken outside of the Insurrection Detachment) both provide 4 psychic dice for sub 300 points, and offer compelling benefits. Plus they don't interfere with detachment bonus when joined: they have Infiltrate so they don't jam that, if they join a unit that has Infiltrate and is gaining Shrouded, the Shrouded benefit confers by its own rule, and the restoring models still works since it's the unit that has the rule (Obvs can't recycle the ICs).

Brilliant.

 Desubot wrote:
Oh man this is all very exciting

but man i have only 1 gripe.

the Grinder Goliath front end makes no sense to me :/

how and what on earth or any other planet is that supposed to grind or clear. :/

really wish they reused the Hades drill front instead.

Only guessing, but in 1997 we had a large flood, the creek was to small, so the city brought a bulldozer to widen it, due to the massive rock acting like icebergs (6-10" but only 1-2" sticking out of the ground) the bulldozer had (I was 10yrs old so my memory isnt perfect) a Grinder looking thing on the bulldozer so if it couple push the rock it would just breakup the small bit of it.

Im Guessing its for something similar but in a Game/cartoonist way and not like the real thing.

That Web weapon sounds delicious against Eldar. That's something I'm always behind.

 Desubot wrote:
Oh man this is all very exciting

but man i have only 1 gripe.

the Grinder Goliath front end makes no sense to me :/

how and what on earth or any other planet is that supposed to grind or clear. :/

really wish they reused the Hades drill front instead.

i think it just looks silly
i'll be building one as a normal truck, though...
best Tonka toy ever

cheers
jah

 Desubot wrote:
Oh man this is all very exciting

but man i have only 1 gripe.

the Grinder Goliath front end makes no sense to me :/

how and what on earth or any other planet is that supposed to grind or clear. :/

really wish they reused the Hades drill front instead.

I thought Thought that was what the Trygon tunnel was for.

changemod wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:
Any word on what the full rules for the Web guns are? AP* and Cocooned seem like they could be interesting.

The AP value of a wound caused by this weapon is equal to the current S characteristic of the model it was allocated to. For example if a wound from a web weapon was allocated to a SM (S4) that wound is resolved at AP4. Against vehicle or models with a S of 7 or more this weapon is AP-

I cannot think of a single practical use for that trait.

I mean, it'd kill S3 3+ units well, but so would lots of things.

It'll do wonders against exo-armoured Squat Hearthguard.

Iconward and Leman Russ squadron?
Any news on these?

shadowfinder wrote:
Iconward and Leman Russ squadron?
Any news on these?

Everything points to including all the standard, non-demolisher, variants, otherwise identical to AM Russ squads.

Question: did they fix that daft thing with the Patriarch not being able to use some of the psyker powers because he doesn't have a BS?

 minionboy wrote:

shadowfinder wrote:
Iconward and Leman Russ squadron?
Any news on these?

Everything points to including all the standard, non-demolisher, variants, otherwise identical to AM Russ squads.

Wanting the Iconward HQ choice. Not anything IG related.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Question: did they fix that daft thing with the Patriarch not being able to use some of the psyker powers because he doesn't have a BS?

GW fixed this with their Facebook FAQs.

 minionboy wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Question: did they fix that daft thing with the Patriarch not being able to use some of the psyker powers because he doesn't have a BS?

GW fixed this with their Facebook FAQs.

Can't tell because it's blurry but I think he is BS4.

(One of the broodmind powers is a blast, and 2 biomancy powers are witchfires so this does matter)

The Cult car is dissapoint, mini's look nice though. Would like to see all the rule talk in a separate thread though.

do we know the cost of the iconward?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Question: did they fix that daft thing with the Patriarch not being able to use some of the psyker powers because he doesn't have a BS?

Looks like he is BS 4 with the BoLS video.


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BeeCee wrote:
do we know the cost of the iconward?

Don't think so waiting to hear that one yet.

minionboy wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Question: did they fix that daft thing with the Patriarch not being able to use some of the psyker powers because he doesn't have a BS?

GW fixed this with their Facebook FAQs.

Not official yet. Only through first drafts right now. So no the problem hasn't been fixed yet until these first drafts become official. We don't know what will change and what will stay the same when they become official.

All I know is that I am clearly not prepared. I didn't scoop up all the hybrids when they were all over ebay and will have to shell out $40/5 if I build this army.

Summoning will be nice to do. I'm so pumped.

Man, this army is not gonna be cheap.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Man, this army is not gonna be cheap.

Deathwatch: Overkill gives you almost an entire Core choice in the form of the Brood Cycle, and it also gives you the mandatory Auxiliary choice
From the Brood Cycle, you have:
12 1st and 2nd Generations(the Acolytes in the codex) broken up into 2 units of 6 each.
16 3rd and 4th Generations(Neophytes in the codex)--a decent sized unit, and it includes 2 special weapons(Grenade Launchers) and the 2 Mining Weapons(Mining Lasers)

Auxiliary choice in the form of the Aberrants

A Command choice in the form of the:
Primus
Magus
Patriarch

Or you can take the Patriarch and add it with Genestealers for that unit.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Man, this army is not gonna be cheap.

Deathwatch: Overkill gives you almost an entire Core choice in the form of the Brood Cycle, and it also gives you the mandatory Auxiliary choice
From the Brood Cycle, you have:
12 1st and 2nd Generations(the Acolytes in the codex) broken up into 2 units of 6 each.
16 3rd and 4th Generations(Neophytes in the codex)--a decent sized unit, and it includes 2 special weapons(Grenade Launchers) and the 2 Mining Weapons(Mining Lasers)

Auxiliary choice in the form of the Aberrants

A Command choice in the form of the:
Primus
Magus
Patriarch

Or you can take the Patriarch and add it with Genestealers for that unit.

Yeah but you'll need at LEAST 2 more boxes of Acolytes, with one to run as Metamorphs, as well as an Iconward clampack, before you even have that Formation, and that's without adding in things like the Subterranean Uprising, which is another 3 boxes of Acolytes. So we're talking $200 on top of DW:OK, before grabbing any of those neat trucks or extra Neophyte boxes for the awesome kitbashing potential or any IG stuff...

 Ambience 327 wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Ambience 327 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:
Coolest part is that means your Sentinel Squads bring back D6 destroyed members of the squad each time they enter cult ambush, so if they don't all get wiped out, there's a good chance the whole squad will come back.

I don't think this works. The Cult Ambush rule only lets you roll on the table when you come on from Reserves. It is the Return to the Shadows rule which lets you remove them from the table and enter Ongoing Reserves. The Sentinels don't have any way (that I have seen) to get the Return to the Shadows rule - hence no way to enter Ongoing Reserves and thus get the D6 models back when they use Cult Ambush.

According to the screencap on the previous page, you can also DEPLOY using cult ambush.

Think about that.

Yes, but you don't restore D6 models when you Deploy. The D6 restoration comes up only when you Deploy from Ongoing Reserves, and when you first Deploy, you won't be missing any models anyway. Since the Sentinels can't go into Ongoing Reserves, they can't restore missing models.

What it boils down to is this - if a unit has the "Return to the Shadows" rule and the "Cult Ambush" rule and are taken as part of the meta Detachment, then they can get D6 models back every time they come back from the shadows using the Cult Ambush rule. If a unit doesn't have "Return to the Shadows", they won't be able to benefit from the D6 model restoration.

What if you used Aethermancy to force them back into Ongoing Reserves with an Allied Void Dreamer?

Do want many boxes and gather all non mutated/ hybrid parts...

BeeCee wrote:
All I know is that I am clearly not prepared. I didn't scoop up all the hybrids when they were all over ebay and will have to shell out $40/5 if I build this army.

Yeah it's really just about impossible to find the gene cult half anywhere.....and usually where there's a will, there's a way, but there is a serious supply/demand issue with the half of the deathwatch overkill box. If there was a start collecting box, this could mitigate the issue somewhat, but it's like they made a really nice termagant kit....

This army really does need a decent amount of models, and it's so expensive to get them.

Guess it just makes me really gun for extra copies of the first curse formation. I think it'll be great to see more stealers on the field, and having the big super formation plus two extra patriarchs could be pretty solid. Also, I have plenty of gene stealers, so that's great.

Or maybe an extra CAD with a flyrant or two for some AA. Will definitely be something I try out at first, if for no other reason than to fill the points until the cult models are ready.

I luckily have a friend who is trading me the Overkill stuff for things I Don't use, but I must have a few boxes of all the new stuff, at some point. I'll paint what I have before buying more, will give me time to save up and buy from frontline and eBay for discounts. It's doable, over time.

I wanna pick up the digital codex first, though. I hope there's some good fluff.