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I'm not sure why anyone is even considering the leman russ. Just because it got added to a codex doesn't mean it's suddenly not garbage. Use the cool newer options, not the old and busted junk, imo.

 Kirasu wrote:
I'm not sure why anyone is even considering the leman russ. Just because it got added to a codex doesn't mean it's suddenly not garbage. Use the cool newer options, not the old and busted junk, imo.

People just want to have fun with it perhaps?

StupidYellow wrote:
I'm not sure if it's been stated anywhere because I've seen 2 versions. 10 man min for Acolytes or 5,

Can I get clarification?

Thank you

S.Y.

I have the same question

 Kirasu wrote:
I'm not sure why anyone is even considering the leman russ. Just because it got added to a codex doesn't mean it's suddenly not garbage. Use the cool newer options, not the old and busted junk, imo.

Because it's cool and thematic?

Has anyone seen approximate points cost of the primus yet? Spitballing lists like everyone else and I'm trying to figure out the subterranean uprising.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I'm not sure why anyone is even considering the leman russ. Just because it got added to a codex doesn't mean it's suddenly not garbage. Use the cool newer options, not the old and busted junk, imo.

People just want to have fun with it perhaps?

Yeah, some of us just don't aspire to be pro warhammer athletes anymore.

It's not about being pro-warhammer athletes. The newer stuff is way "cooler" and more thematic from what I see. Leman Russ tanks are bolted on, with no real interesting changes nor any reason to actually want to take them. Simply, they don't mesh well with this whole infiltrate and disrupt theme they have going on.

I just don't understand adding things from other books without making them at least more interesting. Same issue with the chimera, it just feels tacked on for no real reason.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's not about being pro-warhammer athletes. The newer stuff is way "cooler" and more thematic from what I see. Leman Russ tanks are bolted on, with no real interesting changes nor any reason to actually want to take them. Simply, they don't mesh well with this whole infiltrate and disrupt theme they have going on.

I just don't understand adding things from other books without making them at least more interesting. Same issue with the chimera, it just feels tacked on for no real reason.

I'm adding a Russ because it's something none of my other armies can use. Also it's got some good heavy firepower options.


Obvi I'm gonna compare when the model comes out, but has anybody considered converting ork battlewagons into goliaths and rockcrushers? (Without and with a deffrolla, respectively)


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Oh something else I just thought of - infantry units in the insurrection gain infiltrate. This confers to dedicated transports, yes? So potentially you can infiltrate chimeras and goliaths.

AV14 and a long-range S8 AP3 large blast seem like reasons for a genestealer cult to take a Leman Russ to me, considering there is nothing else of that nature.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's not about being pro-warhammer athletes. The newer stuff is way "cooler" and more thematic from what I see. Leman Russ tanks are bolted on, with no real interesting changes nor any reason to actually want to take them. Simply, they don't mesh well with this whole infiltrate and disrupt theme they have going on.

I just don't understand adding things from other books without making them at least more interesting. Same issue with the chimera, it just feels tacked on for no real reason.

It's a fluff thing, you probably wouldn't understand. XD
But no, seriously - have you read the fluff?
The leman russ is included to represent mind controlled IG forces using their equipment during the revolution.
Tell me, when plotting to overthrow the goverment that gives you your tanks, do you retrofit them for seemingly no plausible reason, or leave them stock dry until the day of revolution?
It's just a common sense thing. If it's not connecting for you, maybe immerse yourself in a couple of historical revolutions to see how it works.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
It's not about being pro-warhammer athletes. The newer stuff is way "cooler" and more thematic from what I see. Leman Russ tanks are bolted on, with no real interesting changes nor any reason to actually want to take them. Simply, they don't mesh well with this whole infiltrate and disrupt theme they have going on.

I just don't understand adding things from other books without making them at least more interesting. Same issue with the chimera, it just feels tacked on for no real reason.

I'm adding a Russ because it's something none of my other armies can use. Also it's got some good heavy firepower options.


Obvi I'm gonna compare when the model comes out, but has anybody considered converting ork battlewagons into goliaths and rockcrushers? (Without and with a deffrolla, respectively)

I'm tempted to convert a Goliath into a kind of heavy battle truck but again I'm not sure if I'm dependent on some sort of tax to take it.

I'm happy to take the sentinel one as I understand I can just take them without any other AM units.

But I want a put cult force (converting a sentinel or battle truck, fine) but I'd rather not take AM units if I don't have to.

S.Y.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's not about being pro-warhammer athletes. The newer stuff is way "cooler" and more thematic from what I see. Leman Russ tanks are bolted on, with no real interesting changes nor any reason to actually want to take them. Simply, they don't mesh well with this whole infiltrate and disrupt theme they have going on.

I just don't understand adding things from other books without making them at least more interesting. Same issue with the chimera, it just feels tacked on for no real reason.

The tanks are perfectly thematic as 'liberated' military equipment. It's a part of the fluff for GCults going all the way back. This codex allows for insurrection-themed armies heavy on AM units and Neophytes, or more genestealer-themed ambushing armies based around Purestrains and Acolytes. And possibilities in between.

I'd much rather have those options than not.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's not about being pro-warhammer athletes. The newer stuff is way "cooler" and more thematic from what I see. Leman Russ tanks are bolted on, with no real interesting changes nor any reason to actually want to take them. Simply, they don't mesh well with this whole infiltrate and disrupt theme they have going on.

I just don't understand adding things from other books without making them at least more interesting. Same issue with the chimera, it just feels tacked on for no real reason.

It meshes well with my idea of the Cult coming out of the woodwork, from all walks of life. I'm going to have the new miners rubbing shoulders with my converted Chaos Cultists, backed up by subverted PDF forces in Chimeras, Sentinels and Leman Russes.

 Kirasu wrote:
I'm not sure why anyone is even considering the leman russ. Just because it got added to a codex doesn't mean it's suddenly not garbage. Use the cool newer options, not the old and busted junk, imo.

Most likely because other armies that get them also have better tools for the job. If you want to play GCS, Russes seem to have the tools necessary to fill a lot of gaps, for me that's specifically popping enemy transports so their gooey insides can be assaulted by Genestealers or Acolytes.

Well I'd held onto a Leman Russ and single Chimera for years - waiting for a good Inquisition release... GS Cult is actually much cooler and a good excuse for me to use those tanks.

While I'd LOVE to try all the newer/cooler stuff, the new models are amazing(!!) -- I'm just thinking realistically I have a much better chance of playing this army, this decade, if I use models I already have built hah... so lots and lots of Genestealers if that's possible with this book.

I'm still trying to figure out the best way to convert and ally in a Cult Baneblade.

I'll be bringing a Russ to more easily unlock the core formation so I can slot in the (IMO) stronger aux formations into the big detachment. I'll bring metamorphs acolytes and Aberrants in a subterranean uprising and more neophytes in a doting throng. I'm hoping the rock cutter is a DT option for somebody so I can bring just one.

I'm not a massive fan of first curse just because the stealer unit has to be 20. Much rather give the random buff table a pass and just run 5-10 with a Patriarch.

Tldr I don't like brood cycle, subterranean seems to do its job better.

I've already done russes and chimeras before so I'm planning to go with something different.. I'll probably get 1 or 2 of the new trucks, but I plan to stick to troops and genestealers (can they take a broodlord?), and I might get a couple of konflict 47 coyote walkers to use as armored sentinels. Been looking for an excuse to get a couple of those.

Just making sure I am reading this correct.

The Genestealer Decurion says you can take 0-3 command but each command has a Patriarch in it. You can only bring one Patriach/Magus/Primus per FoC/Decurion. So that 0-3 is really a 0-1?


Also, I hope this means genestealers are out of the future nid dex. I like them here with the cults and I think nids don't need them. Let the nids make raveners worth taking for our fast assaulty units.

 Necros wrote:
I plan to stick to troops and genestealers (can they take a broodlord?)

Nope - no upgrade character for the Purestrains. The closest they can get is being in the "First Curse" formation with the Patriarch, which requires 20 'Stealers, but comes with a decent buff if you are willing to spend that much on them.

 Lance845 wrote:
Just making sure I am reading this correct.

The Genestealer Decurion says you can take 0-3 command but each command has a Patriarch in it. You can only bring one Patriach/Magus/Primus per FoC/Decurion. So that 0-3 is really a 0-1?


Also, I hope this means genestealers are out of the future nid dex. I like them here with the cults and I think nids don't need them. Let the nids make raveners worth taking for our fast assaulty units.

No, one of the command choices is "pick one of the following: Primus, Patriarch, Iconward, Magus"

the_scotsman wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Just making sure I am reading this correct.

The Genestealer Decurion says you can take 0-3 command but each command has a Patriarch in it. You can only bring one Patriach/Magus/Primus per FoC/Decurion. So that 0-3 is really a 0-1?


Also, I hope this means genestealers are out of the future nid dex. I like them here with the cults and I think nids don't need them. Let the nids make raveners worth taking for our fast assaulty units.

No, one of the command choices is "pick one of the following: Primus, Patriarch, Iconward, Magus"

Ah! That's true, I see that now. So you could actually take 3 by taking that several times. Got it.

Yeah, makes it easy to include all of the various characters. The Patriarch can be part of a "First Curse", the Magus can be in a "Doting Throng" and the Primus in a "Subteraranean Uprising", leaving you with up to two more Command choices to bring Iconwards (assuming they aren't one per army somehow.)

Do we know the points costs of the Acolyte melee weapons like the Rock Saw and so on? Seems to be the only missing detail now.

So would two or three iconwards' feel no pain stack with itself to a possible 2+ (if you grab 4 in an insurrection and a 5th in a CAD?)

Special Rules don't usually stack unless they say they do, so I am guessing that you would only get the basic FNP regardless of how many Iconwards you are in range of.

Yea that'd be pretty busted.

Hmm.. could a broodlord count as a patriarch? I just like the mini and wanna use it

They are both rather large Genestealers - don't see why not.

Only caveat I would make is when using Tyranid Allies, if you have Genestealer broods with Broodlords, make sure you can tell them apart easily from your Patriarch(s).

 Necros wrote:
Hmm.. could a broodlord count as a patriarch? I just like the mini and wanna use it

Well I'm using my space hulk broodlord as a patriarch, so I'm saying yes. If you plan to use the stock broodlord, maybe put it on a tall base so it equals the new overkill patriarch mini in size.