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No they only have access to biomancy telepathy and broodmind. But one of the broodmind powers is summoning.

And yes, since 7th edition codices now list access to malefic or sanctic daemonology just like any other psychic discipline.

Sidenote- ork weirdboyz have access to malefic. Go figure.

OP, thanks for making this thread! Very enjoyable and insightful.

I'm glad I bought 5 DW: OK sets.

GSC codex is pre-ordered.

GW is doing it right. I've spent more money this year on GW products than any other year in the past.

The stand alone game boxed sets that can be used in 40K have me hooked. X2 Renegade Knights sets, and X5 DW: OK sets account for much of that. But I also picked up a lot of GKs as well.

I also bought a few Nid swarm boxed sets, and a couple Imperial Sector terrain sets. So many great deals that I could not pass up.

I have been building Nids (I have more points in this army than any other, and can pretty much bring any build), and recently I've started building GSC, GKs, DW, IKs, and RKs (the last two are magnetized to pull double duty).

But I must admit that many of my purchases have been from Amazon, where I get free shipping and pay no taxes. And I got a ton of bits from ebay.

I don't apologize for looking for the best deal.

But I am really impressed with the direction GW is going!

 tetrisphreak wrote:
No they only have access to biomancy telepathy and broodmind. But one of the broodmind powers is summoning.

And yes, since 7th edition codices now list access to malefic or sanctic daemonology just like any other psychic discipline.

Sidenote- ork weirdboyz have access to malefic. Go figure.

That's because orks don't give a gak about daemons, if they come then that's just more stuff to kill.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Wait a sec... The Neophyte Hybrids are the bog standard infantry unit for these guys, right? And they have miniatures for them. So why an upgrade sprue for Cadians to make a slightly less good looking version than the ones already available? Unless they are a different unit I am mistaking them with?

Anyone got any good clarification for this?

so you can create some military style cultist or even a full military cult

Making Brood Brothers count as Neophytes simplifies rules writing, fluff writing and also allows the bulk of fan-made armies that already exist. The stat line wouldn't be any different, maybe by 1Ld at best, so it's not worth a whole separate Codex entry. It's an abstraction I can live with for sure.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
It's not called "Infiltrate" and thus is not infiltrate. Servoskulls affects any special rules called "Infiltrate"

Why does he have some responsibility to update the thread with new information when other posters are already doing this?

He's also been talking here for quite a bit.

My only message to the OP is to not bother next time because of how rude some people have been to eachother and him here. I know I wouldn't bother next time.

Because he posted the thread and most OTHER rumor threads update their posts, so yes if you start the thread then it's your responsibility. Don't want it? don't start the thread, simple. What use are rules on random pages with no idea where they are?

At risk of being in trouble for double posting this,

All the rules are in one place here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/703842.page#8930325

Thanks, it's really helpful, cause let's be honest, this thread is a mess if you want to have a look at the leaked GSC rules

I echo the thanks for the original poster.

There is no rule, written or unwritten requiring constant updates. I've does it sometimes for my threads and for other folks' (which I can do as a mod) but it is a lot of work and the sheer volume of info on this thread makes it impractical.

If someone wants to do a compilation and PM a mod or OP to add, hey go for it, you have my thanks. But don't attack the poster for not going above and beyond.

Besides, I hear someone printed out all the info and images, and will be selling it for $50 this weekend.

Tyranid607 wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Patriarch has stealth?

No model has stealth by default

*cough*genestealers*cough*

 luke1705 wrote:
And lictors fit the theme and execution of this army amazingly well.

The theme yes, the execution, no. Pheromone Trail only benefit friendly Tyranids. The Cult counts as enemy models, and from the wrong faction.

I'm thinking a deathleaper's assassin brood to aid in overwhelming with infiltrating models alongside the infiltrating cult ambush. the only models that would deploy normally would be vehicles like rockgrinders and russes. The lictors have 5 attacks each on the charge and come with flesh hooks so they can get some work done vs small msu or light vehicles. the rest of the army is there to basically force the opponent to make a decision and still be overwhelmed quickly.

LemanRuse wrote:GW is doing it right. I've spent more money this year on GW products than any other year in the past.

As much as I complain about GW, I agree they have done something right. While I still say it's smoke and mirrors, it's enough to get me spending so much money on GW this year than I have in the last few years combined.

Since the last few years or so, it looks like I am not the only one who didn't spend a lot of money on GW products in the last few years. Since it seems I am not the only one who spent a lot more on GW products in 2016, I am really curious how the 1/2 year results are going to be. I think a huge spike in sales will be made. Does this result into huge profits? Time will tell.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Besides, I hear someone printed out all the info and images, and will be selling it for $50 this weekend.

What a daft idea. It'll never catch on.



I was never hooked on the idea of Genestealer Cults even though I've been involved with 40K since early 2nd Edition.

In the new incarnation however, I'm looking forward to the neophytes and the Goliaths. I've mined Unfinished Products Mountain and have a tidy pile of Chaos Cultists, Catachans, Cadians, Rogue Trader IG ready to be converted with spare bits.


Now, if only I can convert up a Whispering Advisor (or Giggling Magus as I used to call him)!

I think all the codexes starting with Necrons have been well-written and interesting. GW is on a roll.

:( :(

That wasn't unexpected.

I don't get why everyone is so down on allies of convenience. It's basically the same as battle brothers, except oh-no you can't cast invisibility on them or join the units into some mish-mash super friends unit.

For instance, i was just talking the other day about Astra Militarum wyverns and how obscenely good they are for the points. Basically the same cost as a chimera to get a s4, shred, ignores cover, barrage 4 small blast gun. It parks in the back, near an objective if you like, and just saturates targeted units with tons of wounds they have to save against. Well i would never play astra militarum as it's own faction, but now if i want i can take some neophytes, get a commisar, and pop in a wyvern or two by using an allied detachment with my genestealer cult. There's literally no drawback in that case.

Besides, i'd rather save invisibility for my purestrains and make them even more hard to deal with for the enemy. Of course i'll likely be rolling Broodmind only for my first few games and giving the new powers a shot to see how they do.

How unnecessary. We could already include those, and any other IG vehicles, as AoC.

An ad is an ad, though, I suppose.

Well that's a pile of piss innit :/

A reminder of what anyone with half a brain had already figured out, and very likely a confirmation that we won't get any of the cool and thematic stuff because they won't work for allies. Bad form FW, bad form.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
That wasn't unexpected.

I don't get why everyone is so down on allies of convenience. It's basically the same as battle brothers, except oh-no you can't cast invisibility on them or join the units into some mish-mash super friends unit.

And it means no access to "transports" like the Hades, and it means paying a hefty tax to include what are fundamentally pretty bad units ruleswise like Powerlifters and Trojans.

I could justify spending 60 points on a couple of Powerlifters for a bit of flavour, not so much when I have to pay an Ally tax to even be allowed to spend those points.

AoC FW Guard stuff isn't bad, it's just a pretty low-effort response considering what FW could have done.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
That wasn't unexpected.

I don't get why everyone is so down on allies of convenience. It's basically the same as battle brothers, except oh-no you can't cast invisibility on them or join the units into some mish-mash super friends unit.

For instance, i was just talking the other day about Astra Militarum wyverns and how obscenely good they are for the points. Basically the same cost as a chimera to get a s4, shred, ignores cover, barrage 4 small blast gun. It parks in the back, near an objective if you like, and just saturates targeted units with tons of wounds they have to save against. Well i would never play astra militarum as it's own faction, but now if i want i can take some neophytes, get a commisar, and pop in a wyvern or two by using an allied detachment with my genestealer cult. There's literally no drawback in that case.

Besides, i'd rather save invisibility for my purestrains and make them even more hard to deal with for the enemy. Of course i'll likely be rolling Broodmind only for my first few games and giving the new powers a shot to see how they do.

We dislike it because you can't cast psychic powers (Biomancy/telepathy) on your Allies of Convenience. We dislike it because ICs can't join their allies of convenience. We dislike it because GSC were advertised as Battle Brothers at sale, then were later changed to AoC. We dislike it because Shadows in the Warp affects Allies of Convenience. We dislike it because Eldar, Chaos, and the Imperium can pull off shenanigans with BB that are wholly unavailable to us.

Battle Brothers as a concept just needs to go away. Way too many shenanigans under the pretense of fluff.

 Accolade wrote:
Battle Brothers as a concept just needs to go away. Way too many shenanigans under the pretense of fluff.

I agree completely, but Id rather see that happen to everyone not just us. And Nids actively debuffing their only ally is annoying as heck.

If anyone's interested Firestorm as still have some dice left. Ordered mine yesterday, despatched today.
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/dice-genestealer-cult

 jifel wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Battle Brothers as a concept just needs to go away. Way too many shenanigans under the pretense of fluff.

I agree completely, but Id rather see that happen to everyone not just us. And Nids actively debuffing their only ally is annoying as heck.

I would rather see BB gone and a new Nids Codex at this same level of care than BB with GSC.

Nids book cant be repaired it needs to be burned and remade.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1191

So, there are some of the rules here, including the weapons summary. Is it just me or do rending claws look like they're Ap 3...? And no Im not talking about the patriarchs claws, which are listed separately.

 jifel wrote:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1191

So, there are some of the rules here, including the weapons summary. Is it just me or do rending claws look like they're Ap 3...? And no Im not talking about the patriarchs claws, which are listed separately.

It's the font they use, it's hard to tell the difference between a 3 and a 5 unless the photo is clear.

 jifel wrote:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1191

So, there are some of the rules here, including the weapons summary. Is it just me or do rending claws look like they're Ap 3...? And no Im not talking about the patriarchs claws, which are listed separately.

All of that stuff came from this thread, I know that because I made those B&W images and only posted them here, haha.

And no, Rending Claws are not AP3, they're still AP5, sorry.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Battle Brothers as a concept just needs to go away. Way too many shenanigans under the pretense of fluff.

I agree completely, but Id rather see that happen to everyone not just us. And Nids actively debuffing their only ally is annoying as heck.

I would rather see BB gone and a new Nids Codex at this same level of care than BB with GSC.

Nids book cant be repaired it needs to be burned and remade.

Agreed...and yet I don't think we'll see it happen. There are core units whose profiles haven't changed for 4 editions, even as the game has changed dramatically and firepower has, what, tripled? The Leviathan supplement -- intended to be a patch -- added some cool stuff that's okay and other stuff that was shockingly dead on arrival. I think there are too many fixes to be made, and too much reluctance in the studio to change things with any kind of legacy behind them.

 gorgon wrote:


Agreed...and yet I don't think we'll see it happen. There are core units whose profiles haven't changed for 4 editions, even as the game has changed dramatically and firepower has, what, tripled? The Leviathan supplement -- intended to be a patch -- added some cool stuff that's okay and other stuff that was shockingly dead on arrival. I think there are too many fixes to be made, and too much reluctance in the studio to change things with any kind of legacy behind them.

Unfortunately, I think I agree. They may have some impetus to change some things, though - making Genestealers equivalent between GSC and Tyranids, for example.

'Protected by his loving hands....' *Accidentally rends the Magus*

 N.I.B. wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
And lictors fit the theme and execution of this army amazingly well.

The theme yes, the execution, no. Pheromone Trail only benefit friendly Tyranids. The Cult counts as enemy models, and from the wrong faction.

Well and also they're not infiltrating haha. I was thinking some mawloc shenanigans. AP 2 ignores cover is a real thing...but then again that happens in assault with rending too. And I mean, 2 flyrants, 2/3 mawlocs, 3 lictors and you're already at 1000 points with the troops. Not really much of a GSC army at that point, but could be an interesting Nid allied force

Anyone know a good place to find a sentinel powerlifter?

If anyone needs old school GS models to go with your cult, my FLGS has one old box still in stock on the discount shelf. PM me if interested, and I can let you know the price. I think it's like $20 off the top of my head, plus shipping. But if somebody wanted to match up old models, I'd be willing to help. One box only, and it probably goes without saying, but shelf cost plus shipping would be a firm number. I wouldn't overcharge anyone for them, and can provide a receipt, but I also wouldn't accept less than what I pay to get it to ya. Seems fair for anyone interested.