Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons

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**LightKing**

When do you guys think we will get the first loyalist primarch tease?

**Chikout**

LightKing wrote:
When do you guys think we will get the first loyalist primarch tease?

They have an open day on January 2nd at which they will 'wonder about what is to come'. This suggests actual previews so maybe we will something then.

**LightKing**

My final bet...its gonna be Dorn

**Crazyterran**

Dorn would make sense, as FW haven't made him yet...

But he wouldn't make sense in the Fenris arc, that would be either Leman Russ or Lion el'Jonson.

**tneva82**

Crazyterran wrote:
Dorn would make sense, as FW haven't made him yet...

But he wouldn't make sense in the Fenris arc, that would be either Leman Russ or Lion el'Jonson.

FW could be opposite effect. Could be arqued having cheaper plastic version would eat more sales of expensive resin version that will be released later than otherway around.

**shade1313**

I'm still going to wildly speculate Dorn in a massive, super Contemptor.

**MadCowCrazy**

6^ wrote:
Does anyone think there may be a new Lord of Change being released as well?

This popped up 4 months ago and was dismissed by allot of people, interesting how at least 1 thing has been or going to be released from the first 5 mentioned on it.
http://natfka.blogspot.fi/2016/07/40k-8th-edition-campaigns-exciting-look.html

The six boxes are:
1. Kharn's Slaughterband - (New) Kharn the Betrayer, (new)Khorne Bezerkers, Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers and a Hellbrute)
2. Eldrad's Cursing Spear - ( New) Eldrad, (New) 2 Guardian squads (can be either defenders or storm guardians, (new) 5 warlocks, 2 war walkers, Fire Prism
3. Magnus' Weavers of Change- (New) Magnus Daemon Prince, (New) Prosperine Terminators, (New) Rubric Marines (ranged), Rubric Marines (Close Combat), Chaos Predator Tank
4. Iyanna's Phoenix Host - (New) Iyanna Arienal the Oracle of Ynnead, (New) Arcane Battleseer Firesight (Can also be built as standard Arcane Battleseer) (Can also be built as 10 Wraithguard/Blades,2 Wraithlords, 5 Dire Avengers
5. Ahriman's Unholy Covenant - (New) Ahriman,(New) N'kari (can also be built as standard Keeper of Secrets) (New) 2 Chaos Sorcerors, Rubric Marines, Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Daemonettes of Slaanesh, Chariot of Tzeentch
6. Sythrac's Anguish Bringer's - (New) Valossian Sythrac the Blade of Vect, (New) 5 Kabalite Trueborn, Kabalite Warriors, (New) Incubi, 2 Venoms, 1 Raider, 1 Razorwing Jetfighter
7. The Laughing Host - (New) Prince Yriel Champion of Cegorach, (New) Sylandri Veilwalker, 3 Harlequin Troupes, 2 Starweavers, (New) 1 Sentinel of the Black Library.

As for Primarch this was released like a week ago.

**ChaosDad**

wasn't the Dark Angel rumor of last week been confirmed to be fake?

**JohnnyHell**

Yeah reposting old, inaccurate rumours that part of rang true ain't gonna magic up the rest of them sadly, nice as some of the bits might be.

**unmercifulconker**

I'm rooting for Dorn as surely that would mean the Templars get in on the story?

**casvalremdeikun**

Crazyterran wrote:
Dorn would make sense, as FW haven't made him yet...

But he wouldn't make sense in the Fenris arc, that would be either Leman Russ or Lion el'Jonson.

FW also hasn't made the Lion yet either. So there's that. Honestly, despite rooting for Dorn, I really think it is going to be Lion. He is the only Loyalist primarch confirmed to actually be at Fenris.

BUT, we don't even know if the Loyalist Primarch will have anything to do with the fight at Fenris. Dorn or Guilliman would make sense for the Black Crusade.

**reds8n**

ChaosDad wrote:
wasn't the Dark Angel rumor of last week been confirmed to be fake?

yes.

**nintura**

So when does pre-orders go live? And best place to get them for price?

**reds8n**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/25/looking-forward-to-wrath-of-magnus-thousand-sons/

Looking forward to Wrath of Magnus – Thousand Sons
This weekend, the Thousand Sons return to the galaxy of the living (sort of) in the new Wrath of Magnus book with legions of new plastic miniatures. Today, we take a little look at what you can expect from them on the tabletop.

Exalted Sorcerers

Each one is more powerful than a Space Marine Librarian, and rightfully so, these warrior mystics are steeped in 10,000 years of Warp-acquired arcane lore, and each is the master of a dread Silver Tower of Tzeentch.

In the game, an army with a few Exalted Sorcerers is going to dominate the psychic phase, especially alongside the Aspiring Sorcerers that lead every Thousand Sons squad of Rubric Marines. They have a few options, from Discs of Tzeentch to a range of new Artefacts, and they are included in several Formations that further augment their magical supremacy.

Rubric Marines

The basic troops of the Thousand Sons (if such a term can be used), each is a walking suit of ancient armour compelled by the vengeful spirit of it’s former occupant…and a bit of dust.

There are quite a few changes to this unit’s rules, not least of which are their, now expanded, weapon options. As you might expect, all of these are in some way sorcerously-powered, from the warpflamers that the entire squad can be equipped with (!) to the deadly soulreaper cannon, which can mow-down even power armoured foes with ease.

Scarab Occult Terminators

Still bearing the name they took during the Great Crusade 10,000 years back, the elite of the Thousand Sons are – if anything – more deadly than when they still drew breath.

The unit has inferno combi-bolters as standard, but can be further boosted with heavy warpflamers, soulrepaer cannons and hellfyre missile packs, making them one of the most deadly ranged units available to a Chaos Space Marines player.

The Sorcerer leading the unit is a powerful psyker in his own right (note: not an Aspiring Sorcerer, a full on bona-fide Sorcerer). With a Mastery Level of 2, and access to 11 psychic disciplines, he adds a lot of flexibility to how this squad can function in your army.

And that’s only the start – also in the book are new detachments and Formations, psychic powers, Warlord Traits, artefacts, objectives, missions and more.

All these new models, and the new Wrath of Magnus book, are available to order tomorrow morning, wherever you are in the world.

Change, as they say, is coming.

**Ratius**

In the game, an army with a few Exalted Sorcerers is going to dominate the psychic phase,

Bummer, psychic shenanigans have gotten way out of hand of late imo.
Rest sounds cool though.

**casvalremdeikun**

Holy crap! The Terminators have a ML2 Sorcerer playing the part of sergeant in every squad! That is awesome.

Must. Resist. Desire. To. Start. ANOTHER. Army.

**The Deathless Host**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Holy crap! The Terminators have a ML2 Sorcerer playing the part of sergeant in every squad! That is awesome.

Must. Resist. Desire. To. Start. ANOTHER. Army.

+ access to ELEVEN DISCIPLINES!

I just started Thousand Sons before this new release was announced, timing was perfect. I guess I truly have Tzeentch watching over me

.

Couple of things, can we confirm that "Soul Reaper Cannons" are AP3? its stated

the deadly soulreaper cannon, which can mow-down even power armoured foes with ease.

This boads well for the Warp flamers IMO. Units of 20 with 9 bolters, 9 flamers, AS and Soul Reaper will make up the bulk of my force if this is true. (got 30 rubics already, 3 units of 20 sounds like a horrible surprise for my local russ dogs player

)

**nintura**

I have a feeling they'll be more likely to have Rending than AP3? Though maybe they'll be like the bolters.

**Matt.Kingsley**

11 Disciplines... hmm that means they either don't have their own unique discipline (unlikely) or that lack access to one of the BRB or heretic astartes disciplines.

I suppose it's also possible that GW are treating Sanctic and Malefic as one discipline rather than 2, but I doubt it.

I wonder which Discipline they lack? I hope its Sanctic for fluff reasons. I'd be a bit disappointing if once again TSons psykers lacked access to one of the 5 Cult Disciplines.

Also the wording 'full blown sorcerer' leads me to believe that the Scarab Occult's character will have WS5 and W2 like HQ Sorcerers do. If that the case then.. wow.

**The Deathless Host**

I am expecting them to lack Santic. It makes sense.

I expect Exalted Sorcerers to just be marginably better CSM sorcerers. Probably just +1 Wound.

**Sonic Keyboard**

So aspiring sorcerers in power armor squads will only have Tzeentch discipline, and maybe the mandatory roll on Tzeentch discipline remains as well for all psykers?

**Kanluwen**

tneva82 wrote:
Crazyterran wrote:
Dorn would make sense, as FW haven't made him yet...

But he wouldn't make sense in the Fenris arc, that would be either Leman Russ or Lion el'Jonson.

FW could be opposite effect. Could be arqued having cheaper plastic version would eat more sales of expensive resin version that will be released later than otherway around.

To be fair, the rumor wasn't strictly "Forge World hasn't made the Primarch yet" but "It won't be Leman Russ because of the timing".

It's still possible for the loyalist Primarch returning to be one that has a model, but will get a radically different loadout.

Personally? I'm hoping for Corax with a hand-crafted sniper rifle that he's been running around over the missing timeframe plugging traitors and rabblerousers alike with.

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MadCowCrazy wrote:
6^ wrote:
Does anyone think there may be a new Lord of Change being released as well?

This popped up 4 months ago and was dismissed by allot of people, interesting how at least 1 thing has been or going to be released from the first 5 mentioned on it.
http://natfka.blogspot.fi/2016/07/40k-8th-edition-campaigns-exciting-look.html

The six boxes are:
1. Kharn's Slaughterband - (New) Kharn the Betrayer, (new)Khorne Bezerkers, Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers and a Hellbrute)
2. Eldrad's Cursing Spear - ( New) Eldrad, (New) 2 Guardian squads (can be either defenders or storm guardians, (new) 5 warlocks, 2 war walkers, Fire Prism
3. Magnus' Weavers of Change- (New) Magnus Daemon Prince, (New) Prosperine Terminators, (New) Rubric Marines (ranged), Rubric Marines (Close Combat), Chaos Predator Tank
4. Iyanna's Phoenix Host - (New) Iyanna Arienal the Oracle of Ynnead, (New) Arcane Battleseer Firesight (Can also be built as standard Arcane Battleseer) (Can also be built as 10 Wraithguard/Blades,2 Wraithlords, 5 Dire Avengers
5. Ahriman's Unholy Covenant - (New) Ahriman,(New) N'kari (can also be built as standard Keeper of Secrets) (New) 2 Chaos Sorcerors, Rubric Marines, Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Daemonettes of Slaanesh, Chariot of Tzeentch
6. Sythrac's Anguish Bringer's - (New) Valossian Sythrac the Blade of Vect, (New) 5 Kabalite Trueborn, Kabalite Warriors, (New) Incubi, 2 Venoms, 1 Raider, 1 Razorwing Jetfighter
7. The Laughing Host - (New) Prince Yriel Champion of Cegorach, (New) Sylandri Veilwalker, 3 Harlequin Troupes, 2 Starweavers, (New) 1 Sentinel of the Black Library.

Which one of these boxed sets was/will be released?

Sure, there's individual components that have been released but Faeit and Naftka run off the same mechanics as carnival barkers and fortunetellers:
"We add just enough known to make you think we're astonishing or legitimate and the rest can be happenstance"

Spoiler:

As for Primarch this was released like a week ago.

And it was debunked as (yet again) someone from B&C or the like making up crap and then "being surprised" when it got spread all over the place.

**Snake Tortoise**

All of this Tzeentch stuff looks incredible... the new rubrics and horrors splitting into blue and brimstone horrors is sorely tempting me. The only thing keeping me on task with my Alpha Legion right now is the Traitor Legion codex on the way

**The Deathless Host**

Sonic Keyboard wrote:
So aspiring sorcerers in power armor squads will only have Tzeentch discipline, and maybe the mandatory roll on Tzeentch discipline remains as well for all psykers?

I F

KING HOPE NOT. That

was the most

thing about the unit IMO. It gimps them so much, even if the new lore is better than the old one.

My only two gripes with the original unit were:

1. Way way way overpriced.
2. Being locked into a single lore.

But I fully expect this to be the case......even if I hate it.

**kronk**

The Sorcerer leading the unit is a powerful psyker in his own right (note: not an Aspiring Sorcerer, a full on bona-fide Sorcerer). With a Mastery Level of 2, and access to 11 psychic disciplines, he adds a lot of flexibility to how this squad can function in your army.

11 powers. The basic rule book powers each have 7 (6 + primaris) and the god's have 4 (3+ primaris ). That's 11.

So Tzeentch + ? Something new? Biomancy? Divination? The fire one?

**Imateria**

kronk wrote:
The Sorcerer leading the unit is a powerful psyker in his own right (note: not an Aspiring Sorcerer, a full on bona-fide Sorcerer). With a Mastery Level of 2, and access to 11 psychic disciplines, he adds a lot of flexibility to how this squad can function in your army.

11 powers. The basic rule book powers each have 7 (6 + primaris) and the god's have 4 (3+ primaris ). That's 11.

So Tzeentch + ? Something new? Biomancy? Divination? The fire one?

Access to 11 disciplines does not mean they'll have 11 powers at the same time.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Yeah Thousand Sons support is nice but where's the rest of the Legion stuff please

**LightKing**

How is The Lion at Fenris?

**Kraytirous**

The Lion is at Fenris because the DA brought their entire fleet, including The Rock, to bomb the daylights out of it.

As far as psychic disciplines, CSM do not have access to divination (haven't since our 6.0 codex). There are 7 rulebook disciplines, we have access to 6. We got 4 new ones in Traitor's Hate, bringing it up to 10. Finally the Lore of Tzeentch (presumably with updated powers to bring it up to 7 powers at last), to make 11.

I really hope that the mandatory roll on the God lore goes away. Having sorcerers that can access USEFUL primaris powers and disciplines would be amazing. An entire Thousand Sons army with Psychic Shriek? Please put your hands together for the return of the Psychic Choir! An entire Thousand Sons army with access to the Heretech primaris? All your tank are belong to me. An entire Thousand Sons army with access to the biomancy primaris would ruin many TEQ armies. The possiilities are so exciting!

**Davor**

Kraytirous wrote:
The Lion is at Fenris because the DA brought their entire fleet, including The Rock, to bomb the daylights out of it.

What you are forgetting is, that it has been rectonned that The Lion is at the center of The Rock, healed from his wounds and is ready to wake up at any moment. Only the Watchers in the Dark and the Emperor know this. The Dark Angels themselves don't even know he is still alive and with them all this time.

So no as Kraytirous said, that The Rock and Dark Angels are there ready to start or already started bombing from what I know.

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Saw this on Lady Atia's site in the comments section. Don't recall seeing this here.

Latro_the_Zombie > Daniil Osudin • 2 hours ago

rumours from 4chan

Rubric Marines

Same stats as a basic chaos space marine, but has a 5++. 140pts for 5 with aspiring sorcerer. 22pts per extra, up to 5 extra.
Inferno bolters: same stats as a bolter but ap3 and soulblaze.
Warpflamer: 10pts upgrade, ap3 flamer with soulblaze.
Soulreaper cannon: 30pts upgrade. s5, ap3, heavy 5.
Aspiring sorcerer is a level 1 psyker.

Scarab occult terminators:
300pts for 5, 50pts for each additional one. ws5, bs4, s4, t4, w2, i4, a2, ld10, 2+/4++
Leader has 3 wounds and 3 attacks.
Can sweeping advance.
Combi inferno bolters are same as inferno bolters but twin linked.
Heavy warpflamer is 10pts and is a strength 5 warpflamer.
Soulreaper cannon is same as above.
Hellfyre missile packs: dual profile- s4, ap3, small blast or s8 ap3. 20pts per model.