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So do we know any of his wargear rules or special rules?

Since Pink Horrors are basically becoming what I hoped they would become, I now hope that means the Greater (or was it Lesser? I can never remember with Tzeentch) Loci that dives you D3 Blue Horror attacks is either changed to something else OR gives you D3 Blue Horrors instead.

 nintura wrote:
Daemon flesh vs living concrete.

Is that meant to mean something?

 Forcemajeure wrote:
Regarding Magnus not being T8+ or GMC, this is chaos we are talking about.

GW might take it easy with the power level for now, but give them a few months and they will be throwing around ridiculus survivability again

This right here is the problem. Magnus could be T1, so long as he is a Tzeentch, psychic, flying monstrous creature that doesn't need to be in melee he will be completely impossible to kill, Toughness hasn't been the best indicator of durability since 5th.

Without knowing his wargear or most of his special rules and points we can't know how strong he actually is offensively or defensively but what we do know indicates a 2++ rerollable psychic flyer that can nuke baneblades in a single shot.

Please stop the 'woah is me' stuff, this release is looking pretty choice so far so relax until rubric stats come out.

This could be why we haven't received a 7th Edition Chaos Daemons codex.

The Incursion rules, the new Birdmen, Blue Horrors, and Birdmen, and the rewrite of Pink Horrors.

Tzaangors aren't Daemons... so why would they be in a new Daemons book?

Are they not deamons though?

Seems to be they are like possessed, mortals no longer mortals.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Are they not deamons though?

Seems to be they are like possessed, mortals no longer mortals.

They're Tzeentch marked beastmen.

Mutants. So closer to cultists, not Daemons.

I just assumed they were daemons. Have we actually seen the rules for them ?

 adamsouza wrote:
I just assumed they were daemons. Have we actually seen the rules for them ?

Not seen rules yet but Tzaangors aren't a new concept. They exist, without specific miniatures way back in 6th edition Warhammer - Tzeentch marked Bestigor to be precise.

Other God-specific Bestigor were released around that time.

Khorngor



Pestigor

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I just assumed they were daemons. Have we actually seen the rules for them ?

Not seen rules yet but Tzaangors aren't a new concept. They exist, without specific miniatures way back in 6th edition Warhammer - Tzeentch marked Bestigor to be precise.

Other God-specific Bestigor were released around that time.

Khorngor



Pestigor

Tzaangors are actually (without miniatures) discussed in the original realms of chaos books (so 1990, when Lost and the Damned was released).

decker_cky wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I just assumed they were daemons. Have we actually seen the rules for them ?

Not seen rules yet but Tzaangors aren't a new concept. They exist, without specific miniatures way back in 6th edition Warhammer - Tzeentch marked Bestigor to be precise.

Other God-specific Bestigor were released around that time.

Khorngor

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Pestigor

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pink horrors splitting. Holy gak, talk about a blast from the past. THey better release a box for them and brimstone horrors, cause if they dont, it's a worthless rule

I'm surprised you didn't post these





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 streetsamurai wrote:
pink horrors splitting. Holy gak, talk about a blast from the past. THey better release a box for them and brimstone horrors, cause if they dont, it's a worthless rule

I think this has potential to become truly ridiculous depending on the rules. Here's a post I made in another thread about it, I'm sure the insanity is pretty clear...

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Very glad I ordered extra Blue Horrors and Brimstone bases a while back.

Pfft, it's only worth doing if you overdo it! Here comes an army of 100 Pink Horrors! Oh? Your Eldar scatbiks killed a whole unit of 20? Then how about 40 Blue Horrors!
You killed those as well? Then feast your eyes on ANOTHER 40 BRIMSTONE HORRORS!!!
How many wounds will Brimstone Horrors be anyway? Will they be swarm? They are small enough? So perhaps 2w per base since there are 2 on each base?
If so then 100 Pink Horrors equal 700 wounds (100 Pink Horrors, 200 Blue Horrors, 400 Brimstone Horrors). Don't forget the reason to take an army like this would be... TO SUMMON MORE PINK HORRORS!!!
With the current pts costs this detachment would cost 945pts

Spoiler:

I feel really old for posting this, if you don't understand it they you were born mid 90s

I don't know the Silver Tower rules for Brimstone Horrors, having a hard time thinking of what profile they would have... BS/W/S/T/I/W/A of 2? In close combat do they simply run up to a model and explode for a S3 Ap- auto hit?

Those Tzaangors would be pretty good today. T5 2W for 10 points? They might be slow but surround a sorcerer with a huge blob of them and it'll take some work to get through them all

I'm guessing there will be a roll involved to determine if horrors split otherwise you're going to need a lot of models!

My fear with the Pink Horrors splitting again is a recut box of Pink Horrors(5), Blue Horrors (5-10), Brimstone Horrors (5-10), for $40-$50+, that will cost a fortune to get Horrors in any significant numbers.

 Mantle wrote:
I'm guessing there will be a roll involved to determine if horrors split otherwise you're going to need a lot of models!

There's no roll, they split automatically.

Pink horrors didnt really need to change...

They were in a good place, IMO. Especially with a warpflame host.

I dont want to have to buy 14 more boxes of models to run a unit that was working just fine for its points before. I hope some decent thought has gone into this.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
I'm guessing there will be a roll involved to determine if horrors split otherwise you're going to need a lot of models!

There's no roll, they split automatically.

Sweet going to need more blue&brimstone horrors.

@Nagash I picked up some more from Ebay to add to my Silver Tower box. Though they'll have to release boxes of tzaangors and horrors, hopefully for AoS/40K multi use. Almist bought Tzaangor bits on eBay but glad I realized that would be a dumb move. Pulled out before the prices shot up. EBay bits sellers are doing well as they release a little more info each day.

Horror splitting has been a thing in AoS for a while. Despite the inevitible cost, I'm glad to see it back in 40k too.

Splitting makes horror units more characterful, letting them remove say the wc3 battery stupidity they are used for now. Just make their warp fire a normal attack.

Yeah if they make Pink Horrors non-Psychic and just give them a shooting attack I'd be ok with it.

Indeed, if they follow the AoS profiles for Horrors, Pink Horrors would get a range shooting attack, blue horrors get a slightly shorter ranged shooting attack, and brimstone horrors get an even shorter and weaker shooting attack that has two shots (since they're one model).

So say 24" S4 AP5 Assault 1 Warpflame on Pink, 18" S4 AP5 Assault 1 Warpflame on Blue and 12" S3 AP6 Assault 1 Warpflame on Brimstone.


That being said though Competitive Daemon armies would probably turn into only being Flying Circuses with Nurglings or Brimstone Horrors (whichever are cheaper) with maybe Screamrestar support...


Speaking of Blue/Brimstone horrors... I wonder if and when we will be able to buy them separately? If the guesses about the Image GW posted on their community site is true and there's going to be an AoS Tzeentch release at the start of next year I'd expect that they'd come then... but who knows.

when can we pre order the wrath of magnus book?

LightKing wrote:
when can we pre order the wrath of magnus book?

Tomorrow (26th) I believe if release is the 3rd

 Mantle wrote:

LightKing wrote:
when can we pre order the wrath of magnus book?

Tomorrow (26th) I believe if release is the 3rd

So 3rd is when were going to get all the spoilers?

No, preorder saturday/tomorrow night for us in US will be the NZ preorder so spoilers can start coming then. Review copies are not allowed to spoil anything until then.

Does anyone think there may be a new Lord of Change being released as well?

 6^ wrote:
Does anyone think there may be a new Lord of Change being released as well?

There's not in this week's release, but I think sometime in early 2017 eventually