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Magnus seems pretty badass . I like his stats. With a 4++ and being able to fly he should be able to get around without too much trouble.

I wasn't talking about grimoire. I just figured it would be a possibility for him. At the very least he can have a 3++ according to the article. So any other buff will do and you have your 2++.
He might even know all of daemonology with how many daemons they summon in the fluff.
So I don't think we'll have to go out of our way to give him a 2++, but even with a 3++ re-rollable on 1's that just about as tough.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
He will probably be 999 pts or something dumb.

Angron is 400, Horus is 500.
Why would he be so different?
And that is with the HH point tax

If Magnus isn't capable of dropping wraithknights it'll show that power creep for eldar exists both in the game and in the fluff, because he did exactly that in A Thousand Sons

 mrhappyface wrote:

XT-1984 wrote:
Not survivable? Grimoire of True Names for a 2++ rerollable.

Or 5++ depending how your dice feel.

Then I guess it's a good thing he has a psychic power that lets him choose the result of 1 dice a turn.

 BloodGrin wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
He will probably be 999 pts or something dumb.

Angron is 400, Horus is 500.
Why would he be so different?
And that is with the HH point tax

That is Forgeworld, this is GW lol. Granted, it's the new GW, so who knows.

 BloodGrin wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
He will probably be 999 pts or something dumb.

Angron is 400, Horus is 500.
Why would he be so different?
And that is with the HH point tax

GW rules =/= FW rules.
Don't you remember the 888pts Khorne Lord of Skulls ?

Is that Rubric power correct? Anything you kill in it's 24" radius turns into 1k sons and spawns? What? How?

I bet the next Loyalist Primarch to appear (Lion or Kahn.... I hope) will have an Ignores Invul sword with Instant Death....

 Snake Tortoise wrote:
If Magnus isn't capable of dropping wraithknights it'll show that power creep for eldar exists both in the game and in the fluff, because he did exactly that in A Thousand Sons

Well if his gaze can take out a baneblade it should be able to do the same with a wraith knight. It sounds an awful lot like a strength D psychic power to me.
But from his profile alone? 7-8 str 8 attacks just doesn't cut it vs a Wraith knight. They will probably be force, but only few of those will actually stick.
He could do it if you get lucky, but if he whiffs he's toast.

Wow... GW are still afraid to make anything - even a frickin' Daemon Primarch the size of a Knight - even slightly tough.

Toughness 7? Seven? He's not as tough as this guy. WTF?

He'll be 333pts. That's my prediction.
It's a shame he is basically a Flying C'Tan.

Another prediction is that Rubric Marines will be cheaper, but will not automatically come with AP3 bolters or a 4++. Instead they will have Soulblaze/Warpflame bolters and will have to use Psychic powers/there Special detatchment to get a 4++ or 3++.
If I remember correctly, the Thousand Sons in the CSM codex have their 4++ because they come with wargear that grants 5++, then Mark of Tzeencth gives +1. It would be super easy just to drop that wargear so that you have to use powers & formation bonuses to get back the 4++
I hope that doesn't happen, but I will not be surprised

 Roknar wrote:

 Snake Tortoise wrote:
If Magnus isn't capable of dropping wraithknights it'll show that power creep for eldar exists both in the game and in the fluff, because he did exactly that in A Thousand Sons

Well if his gaze can take out a baneblade it should be able to do the same with a wraith knight. It sounds an awful lot like a strength D psychic power to me.
But from his profile alone? 7-8 str 8 attacks just doesn't cut it vs a Wraith knight. They will probably be force, but only few of those will actually stick.
He could do it if you get lucky, but if he whiffs he's toast.

Plus I'm pretty sure the things they saw in A Thousand Sons weren't wraithknights but rather revnant or phantom titans. They were supposed to be bigger than Canis Vertex iirc.

I'd lose Ap3 for better psychic shenanigans. Better, as in casting better, not just spamming dice (which wastes you AND your opponents time)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... GW are still afraid to make anything - even a frickin' Daemon Primarch the size of a Knight - even slightly tough.

Toughness 7? Seven? He's not as tough as this guy. WTF?

I'm just attributing that to the usual changing-their-mind-mid-sentence attitude. Thinking they went a bit overboard there and now we happen to be the ones stuck in a more balanced cycle...again.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... GW are still afraid to make anything - even a frickin' Daemon Primarch the size of a Knight - even slightly tough.

Toughness 7? Seven? He's not as tough as this guy. WTF?

He also walks, and has no psychic abilities.
Numbers in a vacume do not mean anything.
He will be able to buff and debuff like crazy.

 Roknar wrote:

 Snake Tortoise wrote:
If Magnus isn't capable of dropping wraithknights it'll show that power creep for eldar exists both in the game and in the fluff, because he did exactly that in A Thousand Sons

Well if his gaze can take out a baneblade it should be able to do the same with a wraith knight. It sounds an awful lot like a strength D psychic power to me.
But from his profile alone? 7-8 str 8 attacks just doesn't cut it vs a Wraith knight. They will probably be force, but only few of those will actually stick.
He could do it if you get lucky, but if he whiffs he's toast.

Well with those stats and force in effect a WK only needs to have a couple of wounds taken away for Magnus to charge in and take it out.

In any case whether or not he can take down a WK I hope Magnus isn't as points efficient as a WK. GW needs to backpedal a lot on the power creep that has happened, and I'd be happy if all subsequent releases are no stronger than KDK and eventually when it's eldar's turn they bring them back down to a moderate power level too. Nerf grav a lot, nerf tau, block the deathstar shenanigans somehow, remove invisibility etc. For me that's preferable to bringing everything else up to eldar's level

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... GW are still afraid to make anything - even a frickin' Daemon Primarch the size of a Knight - even slightly tough.

Toughness 7? Seven? He's not as tough as this guy. WTF?

Daemon flesh vs living concrete.

He'll have mastery level 5, casting on 3+, no eternal warrior. Rubrics in 6" will change slowness to relentless. 999 points. Also if he is killed you must table the opponent or lose the game.

in tabletop will Magnus be more powerful than Ahriman?

LightKing wrote:
in tabletop will Magnus be more powerful than Ahriman?

More powerful, yes, but not necessarily as good in terms of value.

LightKing wrote:
in tabletop will Magnus be more powerful than Ahriman?

In theory, he shouldn't. In practice, Ahriman may be more flexible (with 15 powers, there's a reasonable presumption that Magnus knows 2 complete disciplines and his unique Gaze of Magnus power) due to being able to draw from more disciplines, and there's no guarantee that Magnus will be able to spam one power multiple times like Ahriman can through his wargear.

That said, Magnus has a much better profile, will probably be better at harnessing warp charges, will probably be a higher Mastery level, and has a significantly better unit type. Whether Magnus's point cost will be worth those benefits is unknown, as we know neither the point costs nor what Magnus will actually have outside of his fairly impressive statline.

 jreilly89 wrote:
So, the bane of all Daemons, since he isn't a GMC, does he have Eternal Warrior? Otherwise, any Force/ID will make a mockery of him.

He better, or I would just have another reason to not put him on the table, especially since he will be 300+ points at least.

LightKing wrote:
in tabletop will Magnus be more powerful than Ahriman?

Could go either way really. Ahriman is already better than he used to be thanks to the disc.
If Magnus comes at a ludicrous price, that would pretty much make him unviable even though he would offer better performance. Or at least would limit him to apocalypse games.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I bet the next Loyalist Primarch to appear (Lion or Kahn.... I hope) will have an Ignores Invul sword with [remove from play]....

Fixed that for you.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

LightKing wrote:
in tabletop will Magnus be more powerful than Ahriman?

In theory, he shouldn't. In practice, Ahriman may be more flexible (with 15 powers, there's a reasonable presumption that Magnus knows 2 complete disciplines and his unique Gaze of Magnus power) due to being able to draw from more disciplines, and there's no guarantee that Magnus will be able to spam one power multiple times like Ahriman can through his wargear.

That said, Magnus has a much better profile, will probably be better at harnessing warp charges, will probably be a higher Mastery level, and has a significantly better unit type. Whether Magnus's point cost will be worth those benefits is unknown, as we know neither the point costs nor what Magnus will actually have outside of his fairly impressive statline.

wait how does Ahriman know more powers than Magnus?

He meant that magnus is probably locked into disciplines while ahrrman can choose from 11 or so different disciplines. Plus he might not be locked into tzeentch anymore, which would be pretty sweet as a lvl 4 psyker.
And with fatey being lvl 4 iirc I don't see Magnus being a whole lot better. So they'd all be stuck with casting 4 powers max.

Roknar's got it right.

 Roknar wrote:
He meant that magnus is probably locked into disciplines while ahrrman can choose from 11 or so different disciplines.

reading the post it says Magnus knows 15....so he knows 4+ disciplines than Ahriman?

LightKing wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
He meant that magnus is probably locked into disciplines while ahrrman can choose from 11 or so different disciplines.

reading the post it says Magnus knows 15....so he knows 4+ disciplines than Ahriman?

A full discipline is 7 (6 powers + primaris). Magnus likely knows 2 complete disciplines plus his own personal power. It's unknown if he can pick which those are or if he has a set list.