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Seriously guys, take foxphoenix's advice and move your discussion to the background forum.

Re: foxphoenix,
Besides the initial leak that we got a couple of weeks ago that was from the guy who 'predicted' (some argue he didn't predict it at all) traitors hate. Seems strange though seeing how close we are getting to it's release that there are no leaks.

 nintura wrote:
Unless you're talking trillions of fleets, it's not going to happen. Not in that time frame. Yes, GW can say what they want because that's how it worked. But it wouldn't happen in reality. There's an estimated 100 BILLION habitable planets in the Milkway alone. And that's 1% of 1% of 1% (it goes on, but I dont like to repeat myself) of the planets out there. So even given your possible theory of 60 million planets conquered in 300 years, you'd need to really, REALLY ramp that up. And that's not going to happen by the year 30,000 by the best of times.

So you ramp the numbers up.

Also btw that's a) estimate b) IoM did not conquer every habitable planet.

Whatever you arque fact is GC took about 200 years. End of story. You can arque about whether it's logical for us or not but that's the fact.

Pages upon pages of opinion with very little content. It's very ultracrepidarian.

I may have missed it somewhere in this mess, but do we have any information relating to the actual rules for the Thousand Sons (ideally someone who has managed to sneak an early copy?)

 nintura wrote:
But it wouldn't happen in reality.

But we're not talking about reality. We're talking about space fantasy where our knowledge of "reality" is completely meaningless. Now can you please stop trying to apply real-world physics to an imaginery universe and physics-less daemonic dimension and leave this thread for it's intended purpose?

 Wulfmar wrote:
Pages upon pages of opinion with very little content. It's very ultracrepidarian.

I may have missed it somewhere in this mess, but do we have any information relating to the actual rules for the Thousand Sons (ideally someone who has managed to sneak an early copy?)

We may see some scans around Wednesday if I had to guess.

Can you guys please take your discussion to the background forum, please!

 Wulfmar wrote:
Pages upon pages of opinion with very little content. It's very ultracrepidarian.

I may have missed it somewhere in this mess, but do we have any information relating to the actual rules for the Thousand Sons (ideally someone who has managed to sneak an early copy?)

FLG have most of it here:
https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/11/26/war-zone-fenris-wrath-of-magnus-review-dataslates-and-special-rules/

Hi all, Iuchiban here.

I already own my copy of the book. I will be home in about half an hour.

Prepare your questions!!!!!!

Awesome that you are willing to answer questions.

Though I understand the primarch debate is hot, please open a new thread so we an discuss this release.

Thanks all.

Iuchiban wrote:
Hi all, Iuchiban here.

I already own my copy of the book. I will be home in about half an hour.

Prepare your questions!!!!!!

Always great to see you Iuchiban! Can't wait!

Iuchiban wrote:
Hi all, Iuchiban here.

I already own my copy of the book. I will be home in about half an hour.

Prepare your questions!!!!!!

We haven't seen much on the Daemons. We know about the new Horror rule, but is there anything new with other entires like the Flamers? What about the new Warpstorm table?

Did the Icon of Flame survive?

Cheers!

Iuchiban wrote:
Hi all, Iuchiban here.

I already own my copy of the book. I will be home in about half an hour.

Prepare your questions!!!!!!

What is the initial cost for a unit of Tzaangors and their min size? I read they were 7 each after initial cost and max size was 30. Is there a cost for them to take auto pistols and chainswords?

Iuchiban wrote:
Hi all, Iuchiban here.

I already own my copy of the book. I will be home in about half an hour.

Prepare your questions!!!!!!

Hey luchiban, thanks for this. If you have a chance to just check to see if there's any update to the Mark of Tzeentch rules or the Tzeentch discipline rules and whether Psykers with the Mark of Tzeentch still have to generate one power from the Tzeentch discipline and can only generate up to half their powers from the discipline. I suspect there isn't from looking at the table of contents on BOLS but if it's going to be anywhere I guess it'd be in the armoury (if the MoT has a specific entry) or in the Discipline of Tzeentch section.

Iuchiban wrote:
Hi all, Iuchiban here.

I already own my copy of the book. I will be home in about half an hour.

Prepare your questions!!!!!!

Excellent news! Thank you in advance!

1) Standard Thousand Sons Squads
- What weapon choices are available?
- How do you reckon it affect compositions of the squad (are you encouraged to go for a specific type of weapon to make use of any specific bonuses?)

2) Occult terminators
- Anything notably different to normal CSM terminator weapon choices?

3) Ahriman
- Does he have to be mounted on a disk of Tzeentch now?


Thanks again - hope you enjoy flicking through the book!

Do the warpflame weapons have the boost to an enemies FNP or is simply plus 1 AP and soulblaze.
Do not have the rule in print but I read that it depends on your enemies toughness.

Also if you have a flamer is it soulblaze or do you need the Icon. same question for Soul reaper cannon, soulblaze or not.

Thanks.

 Wulfmar wrote:


3) Ahriman
- Does he have to be mounted on a disk of Tzeentch now?


Thanks again - hope you enjoy flicking through the book!

I know we have a book INC, but I think the sculptor was talking about how he made Ahriman stand and look good on and off the disk. So a possible hint, or reading into it too far.

I need to read up on the whole decurion.

Is it possible to just take a normal cad?

HQ and 2 troops, season to taste?

Or do I need to follow with detachment rules?


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I have not seen any lists up yet I suppose we are waiting on additional point values?

Or likely folks to get the rules, lol.

 Skerr wrote:
I need to read up on the whole decurion.

Is it possible to just take a normal cad?

HQ and 2 troops, season to taste?

Or do I need to follow with detachment rules?

I think I can answer that one (or rather this handy screenshot can here). But essentially any Chaos Space Marine detachment (and I guess regular book ones) can be a Thousand Sons detachment provided it meets those restrictions.
In theory this could apply to other detachments and formations from other CSM books.

What units are options in each formation?
Any formation bonuses noteworthy without maxing out?

Also hoping the scarab occult have weapon options.

Iuchiban wrote:
Hi all, Iuchiban here.

I already own my copy of the book. I will be home in about half an hour.

Prepare your questions!!!!!!

More specifics on formation requirements/benefits would be great!

Also non-formation auxilliary choices I guess.

Red_Drake wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Icon of fire: Tz demons: demons in this unit have soul blaze in close combat attacks

Would it be possible for you to tell us how much the relics cost?

Also, can you elaborate on the Daemons side of things? what does the tzeentch warpstorm table look like? what are the benifits of a "daemons of tzeentch detachment"? not the tzeench daemon decurion, but the "you can make any daemons detachment a tzeentch daemon detachment" bit, like the thousand sons. (is that even a thing?)

CSM Rubrics icon flame 15 as well as icon fire for Pink Horrors
As far as the generic Tz demons that's in Curse of Wulfen along w/warlord traits and I don't have that. This was before our review time. Someone here surely can answer that. I'd be curious to know but won't see that book until this weekend when a friend shows me those older stats.

If your warlord has Demon of Tz rule and is the decurion either from Curse of Wulfen or Wrath of Magnus they can opt to use this Tz warp storm table each shooting phase
ranges from hurting a friend or foe to create a chaosspawn, taking your unit off the board to deep strike them next round, harnessing on 3+, warpflame flamers, both players getting rerolls, cheaper psyker powers, potentially everyone getting hit by warpflame, create brimstones, possession, to creating a Lord of Change.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

CSM Rubrics icon flame 15 as well as icon fire for Pink Horrors
As far as the generic Tz demons that's in Curse of Wulfen along w/warlord traits and I don't have that. This was before our review time. Someone here surely can answer that. I'd be curious to know but won't see that book until this weekend when a friend shows me those older stats.

If your warlord has Demon of Tz rule and is the decurion either from Curse of Wulfen or Wrath of Magnus they can opt to use this Tz warp storm table each shooting phase
ranges from hurting a friend or foe to create a chaosspawn, taking your unit off the board to deep strike them next round, harnessing on 3+, warpflame flamers, both players getting rerolls, cheaper psyker powers, potentially everyone getting hit by warpflame, create brimstones, possession, to creating a Lord of Change.

Thanks! What about the costs of the new tzeentch CSM artifacts in the new book?


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Iuchiban wrote:
Hi all, Iuchiban here.

I already own my copy of the book. I will be home in about half an hour.

Prepare your questions!!!!!!

Is there any way to use the new Daemon formations in the Daemonic Incursion detachment? (likely answer is no, but I figured I'd ask anyway)

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Skerr wrote:
I need to read up on the whole decurion.

Is it possible to just take a normal cad?

HQ and 2 troops, season to taste?

Or do I need to follow with detachment rules?

I think I can answer that one (or rather this handy screenshot can here). But essentially any Chaos Space Marine detachment (and I guess regular book ones) can be a Thousand Sons detachment provided it meets those restrictions.
In theory this could apply to other detachments and formations from other CSM books.

Though could I do that with units in WOM. Ahriman and 2 troops from WOM?

 Skerr wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Skerr wrote:
I need to read up on the whole decurion.

Is it possible to just take a normal cad?

HQ and 2 troops, season to taste?

Or do I need to follow with detachment rules?

I think I can answer that one (or rather this handy screenshot can here). But essentially any Chaos Space Marine detachment (and I guess regular book ones) can be a Thousand Sons detachment provided it meets those restrictions.
In theory this could apply to other detachments and formations from other CSM books.

Though could I do that with units in WOM. Ahriman and 2 troops from WOM?

I guess so. We'd have to see if the Dataslates are all from Chaos Space Marines (Like the Horrors are they just for Daemons or the specific formations in WoM) but I imagine Ahriman and either Tzaangors or Rubrics would be available in a Combined Arms Detachment.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Skerr wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Skerr wrote:
I need to read up on the whole decurion.

Is it possible to just take a normal cad?

HQ and 2 troops, season to taste?

Or do I need to follow with detachment rules?

I think I can answer that one (or rather this handy screenshot can here). But essentially any Chaos Space Marine detachment (and I guess regular book ones) can be a Thousand Sons detachment provided it meets those restrictions.
In theory this could apply to other detachments and formations from other CSM books.

Though could I do that with units in WOM. Ahriman and 2 troops from WOM?

I guess so. We'd have to see if the Dataslates are all from Chaos Space Marines (Like the Horrors are they just for Daemons or the specific formations in WoM) but I imagine Ahriman and either Tzaangors or Rubrics would be available in a Combined Arms Detachment.

Thanks VC!

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Red_Drake wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Icon of fire: Tz demons: demons in this unit have soul blaze in close combat attacks

Would it be possible for you to tell us how much the relics cost?

Also, can you elaborate on the Daemons side of things? what does the tzeentch warpstorm table look like? what are the benifits of a "daemons of tzeentch detachment"? not the tzeench daemon decurion, but the "you can make any daemons detachment a tzeentch daemon detachment" bit, like the thousand sons. (is that even a thing?)

CSM Rubrics icon flame 15 as well as icon fire for Pink Horrors
As far as the generic Tz demons that's in Curse of Wulfen along w/warlord traits and I don't have that. This was before our review time. Someone here surely can answer that. I'd be curious to know but won't see that book until this weekend when a friend shows me those older stats.

If your warlord has Demon of Tz rule and is the decurion either from Curse of Wulfen or Wrath of Magnus they can opt to use this Tz warp storm table each shooting phase
ranges from hurting a friend or foe to create a chaosspawn, taking your unit off the board to deep strike them next round, harnessing on 3+, warpflame flamers, both players getting rerolls, cheaper psyker powers, potentially everyone getting hit by warpflame, create brimstones, possession, to creating a Lord of Change.

So the icon of flame didn't change at all? Except not affecting bolt pistols now?

A lot of talk about Magnus, what about Ahriman on a disk? With new speed and no roll to hit for shreik he could potentially throw out 4 shreiks a turn. Potentially joining a screamer star could this be a big thing? Points heavy yes but that's a lot of shreik.

skycapt44 wrote:
A lot of talk about Magnus, what about Ahriman on a disk? With new speed and no roll to hit for shreik he could potentially throw out 4 shreiks a turn. Potentially joining a screamer star could this be a big thing? Points heavy yes but that's a lot of shreik.

Definitely. Ahriman will become the bane of, well, everything.

Ahirman can only cast the same witchfire up to three times, not four. He's also still stuck with rolling once the discipline of tzeentch. Although that got a LOT better with the cabal power. Still not sure whether or not gaze of magnus is part of that or not, but that would be nasty if you have enough warp charges to cast that three times. Not sure that's even feasible mind you.

Do we know how the Decurion is set up? I.e. what formations are Core, Command, and Auxiliary?

Will the Tzeentch Daemon formations be included in this decurion?

Apologies if this has been covered