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Mmm delicious sprue pics... It's seriously impressive how those MKIII are designed so that they work with all those complex edges.

I am mildly curious to see what the transfer sheet will look like for the set as freehanding all those little TSons symbols gets a little tiring after 5 years...

So, I was looking at the rumored stats of the Custodes. The basic custode with a guardian blade has a statline similar to a Marine captain in artificer armor, with a relic blade. That comes in at 135 points. If that point cost is anything to go on, the Custodes should cost, at a minimum, 120 points. That means a 2000 point army of them (heavy on troops) would be about 16 guys.

Custodes seem to have access to their weird power bolter swords?

Joyboozer wrote:
Is there any actual balance to the content of these games? I know the thousand sons get their arses handed to them on Prospero, but does that mean the loser who has to play as the thousand sobs has no chance of winning? The odds seem to be stacked against them given the stats and abilitys of the imperial troops. Is Ahriman going to be that powerful to counter?

Can't speak to this specific game but...
Deathwatch Overkill starts with Deathwatch mopping the floor with the GSC. Midway through it becomes semi-even. Last couple or three missions are GSC's to lose esp. the last one.
B@C tends, from what we've played, toward the Word Bearers. It's not 100% and good Ultrasmurf player can win often.
I was hoping this would use B@C's rules but maybe this will be just as cool since I buy them for the games and a shallow dive into 40k armies w/o having to play the full game.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like the SoS have access to at least 4 flamers, 4 bolters and 4 swords.

We seem to only have pics of 2 out of the 3 sprues that make the SoS.

I also don't understand why they have 10 heads? 1 Sergeant type head and 9 normal heads. Some heads have holes and some have lines in the face plate, different types of SoS?

Aren't 5 half-helmets and 5 full helms?
Gives some variety.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Aren't 5 half-helmets and 5 full helms?
Gives some variety.

Bit 64 and 65 seem to cover more of the face. 64 is more like a hockey mask. Can't tell on any of the others.
Only 51 is a full helmet afaik.

Oh, we have access to all 3 sprues. They have 5 bolters, 5 flamers and 6 swords it seems.

Holy Mother of God, those sprues are beautiful!!!

i cannot wait to crack this box open
too bad my painting queue is booked 'til Christmas...
still, should be fun to build a few...

cheers
jah

And I said I would stop after 6 Tactical Squads... guess I'm doing 3 more...

I know someone that wants to get into 40K, but can't really justify the cost of an army, even the super-elite low model count armies. If Custodes get their own 40k rules, I think a good Christmas present would be a batch of ebay custodes and some Sigmarines converted with the spare parts. For $60, you have a 2000 point army that can be carried in cigar box.

I am considering doing a super small elite army made up of Custodes with SOS as support. And Garro if I can fit him in there because he's the best

I wonder how a Custodes army would even work? They'd slaughter other (lesser) elite armies, but they couldn't throw out enough attacks to handle even moderately horde-like armies. Heck, 50 marines would be too many. Not to mention how they would ever catch or destroy vehicles.

It has been said multiple times by people who have good records that Sisters of Silence and the Custodes will be a small detachment.
They will not be "an army" and will not be able to make an effective "army".
They are meant to be something rare

Adeptus Custodes will get a full army list, Sisters of Silence the small detachment/allied contingent treatment - both from Forgeworld and for 30k. That book - Inferno - is currently at the printers and will be released when it fits into FW's release schedule. There will be vehicles and a lot more other model releases for these two factions from Forgeworld. What this means for 40k in the future though is unclear but there are several possibilities after these initial rules in WD next week. Sales numbers and general customer interest will influence what GW does with them in let's say a year, but I feel people get easily distracted that Custodes and Sisters are foremost 30k products at the moment and if sales are good enough GW could expand them to 40k or Forgeworld makes the 30k lists available in 40k etc.

It looks like a great box, but I can't justify buying it at SG$230. I'll probably get it off of ebay or as a birthday gift.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Those Custodes Weapons look amazing.

Like nothing we've ever seen before!


Oh, wait. I have a set of dudes with those very same Force Halberds and Force Swords!

So does it look like we can make MKIII Despoilers from these?

Must resist starting Iron Warriors.
But for the pure marines, this is a bit overcosted IMO. B@C seems to still be the best way to get in, with these guys bolstering your forces

My god I need this set to bolster my wolves. Wonder if they'll trade like a Viking. Sure I can get my hands on a couple of pigs to trade old school style. Falling that the old faithful plastic will be getting a dent.

I'll wait and see the custodes rules before I decide if I order a box or two or just pick up the Tartaros terminators on eBay.

The reaper autocannons are a definite plus, but since I play Ultramarines I am ambivalent towards the mark 3. I'd be just as likely to put them towards my Ultramarines 3rd Company for my Gladius rather than use them for HH.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Those Custodes Weapons look amazing.

Like nothing we've ever seen before!


Oh, wait. I have a set of dudes with those very same Force Halberds and Force Swords!

The custodes aren't psykers - their weapons are powered, not force. And yes, the similarity to grey knight weapons has been pointed out (4 or 5 pages ago).

@Crazyterran: I don't know about you, but I'll be mixing them through with my 40K dark angels as well as 30K.

This pic is a good example:



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 cuda1179 wrote:
I wonder how a Custodes army would even work? They'd slaughter other (lesser) elite armies, but they couldn't throw out enough attacks to handle even moderately horde-like armies. Heck, 50 marines would be too many. Not to mention how they would ever catch or destroy vehicles.

Fairly certain the rampage special rule will help. +D3 attacks if the enemy outnumbers your friendlies. Then there's Rage as well so you get +2A on the charge. It starts to add up a bit lol.

Thamor wrote:
So does it look like we can make MKIII Despoilers from these?

You'll need bolt pistol hands, but with a bit of work, absolutely! They come with enough Chainswords that can fit into either hand, so it should be pretty simple!

A bit disappointing that there only heavy bolters for the tactical, but it'll still work nicely, i'll just have to plan for a third calth to finish my missile havoks, whoch has the advantage of not needing to mix mk3 and 4 in the same squad.

methebest wrote:
A bit disappointing that there only heavy bolters for the tactical, but it'll still work nicely, i'll just have to plan for a third calth to finish my missile havoks, whoch has the advantage of not needing to mix mk3 and 4 in the same squad.

I'm doing half and half. 3 20 man squads with 10 mkIV and 10 mkIII

For me these will be split across my Thousand Sons (built on the B@C box) and my Space Wolves (Built on 40k boxes mixed with FW resin dudes).

Will probably just end up being Legion support teams and boost to the current tactical squads.

Not sure if to get a 2nd box though.

I don't get the strict armour purity some of you are talking about. Wouldn't a mix be more in line with SM fluff? A.slow rollout of newer marks, replacing damaged suits, veterans keeping their older gear around out of preference (or feeling bonded to the machine spirit) etc.? 'm not the biggest fan of the demystification of the HH, but from the few books I read a somewhat mixed squad/army would make sense, wouldn't it.

That's more of a 40k thing, in the HH era the armour was not the venerated relic with 10,000 years of history, it was simply a tool, so in most cases squads and individuals would just favour that which suited their role best (so MkIII for anything based on close assault, MkIV for the rest if they could get it), so long as it was available. Once supply lines start getting hit as the war drags on, you start to get more mixing-and-matching, but initially most Marines would have complete suits of their favoured mark and pattern.

Typically the Warmaster-allied legions had MK IV, unless they preffered MK III due to it being better in assault, where as legions like the Dark Angels just used whatever they could get their hands on. So if you where doing them, or Iron Hands and possibly Emp's Children, you could mix and match, but for everyone else a uniform armor type works better.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
@Crazyterran: I don't know about you, but I'll be mixing them through with my 40K dark angels as well as 30K.

This pic is a good example:



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 cuda1179 wrote:
I wonder how a Custodes army would even work? They'd slaughter other (lesser) elite armies, but they couldn't throw out enough attacks to handle even moderately horde-like armies. Heck, 50 marines would be too many. Not to mention how they would ever catch or destroy vehicles.

Fairly certain the rampage special rule will help. +D3 attacks if the enemy outnumbers your friendlies. Then there's Rage as well so you get +2A on the charge. It starts to add up a bit lol.

I'll probably take my left over mark 4s, the new Mark 3s, and mark 7s and 8s from deathwatch and tactical marine boxes, throw them into (part organized) buckets for my 40k force. Beg, borrow, steal some more Grav cannons. Maybe I'll use Deimos Rhinos with razorback guns for my Razorbacks.

I already have an all mk3 command squad armed with meltaguns, I might have to reprint the trims red. I dunno. That's a future me problem. (Urile Ventris kind of killed the 4th company for me...)