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 angelofvengeance wrote:

For the love of god... the Deathwatch legs are just in a different stance. That's the only thing that makes them "bigger".

Not true. Deathwatch legs are definitely larger than previous marine legs. They're longer and thicker, even the feet are larger.

This is why I'm really interested seeing whether the marines in this new set are similarly upscaled. But as people have pointed out, they probably are not, in order to match the Forgeworld products.

 BrookM wrote:
The battle of Phall would be neat. An upgrade sprue for Breachers would be very, very hot.

If they do that I will go mad while screaming like a little girl.

For someone who's not up on all the fluff, would Sons of Medusa have been around/wearing Mark III? I really like that armor but didn't know that's what it was called (saw it on the cover(s) of a couple of HH books I actually have read.

 privateer4hire wrote:
For someone who's not up on all the fluff, would Sons of Medusa have been around/wearing Mark III? I really like that armor but didn't know that's what it was called (saw it on the cover(s) of a couple of HH books I actually have read.

Sons of Medusa descended from the Iron Hands, so yea that sounds like a great idea.


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 Crimson wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

For the love of god... the Deathwatch legs are just in a different stance. That's the only thing that makes them "bigger".

Not true. Deathwatch legs are definitely larger than previous marine legs. They're longer and thicker, even the feet are larger.

This is why I'm really interested seeing whether the marines in this new set are similarly upscaled. But as people have pointed out, they probably are not, in order to match the Forgeworld products.

I own both the latest Blood Angel Kits and the Deathwatch kits. They are the same length of in the legs. The reason why people think the deathwatch are taller is because a fully assembled Deathwatch marine a.) Is almost standing straight up and b.) Creates an optical illusion of height with the mk VIII torsos, which are the exact same length as the normal kits (not accounting the collar."

Agreed on the SoM. Sounds both reasonable and likely.

Double poste, ignore

Neronoxx wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
For someone who's not up on all the fluff, would Sons of Medusa have been around/wearing Mark III? I really like that armor but didn't know that's what it was called (saw it on the cover(s) of a couple of HH books I actually have read.

Sons of Medusa descended from the Iron Hands, so yea that sounds like a great idea.


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 Crimson wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

For the love of god... the Deathwatch legs are just in a different stance. That's the only thing that makes them "bigger".

Not true. Deathwatch legs are definitely larger than previous marine legs. They're longer and thicker, even the feet are larger.

This is why I'm really interested seeing whether the marines in this new set are similarly upscaled. But as people have pointed out, they probably are not, in order to match the Forgeworld products.

I own both the latest Blood Angel Kits and the Deathwatch kits. They are the same length of in the legs. The reason why people think the deathwatch are taller is because a fully assembled Deathwatch marine a.) Is almost standing straight up and b.) Creates an optical illusion of height with the mk VIII torsos, which are the exact same length as the normal kits (not accounting the collar."

Just not true. Deathwatch legs are indeed thicker and longer than regular Marine legs, apart from the pose. Also the heads sits slightly higher on the Mk8 torsos.

Neronoxx wrote:

I own both the latest Blood Angel Kits and the Deathwatch kits. They are the same length of in the legs. The reason why people think the deathwatch are taller is because a fully assembled Deathwatch marine a.) Is almost standing straight up and b.) Creates an optical illusion of height with the mk VIII torsos, which are the exact same length as the normal kits (not accounting the collar."

Then I kindly recommend visiting an ophthalmologist. You are wrong. I too have assembled both kits (and most other marine kits) and I in fact have the parts right in front of me. DW legs are bigger. It is not the pose. You can measure yourself if you don't believe me. It is most noticeable at the foot and the thigh, both being about a millimetre longer than in older kits. Other parts are slightly bigger too, but that's harder to accurately measure.

 Crimson wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

I own both the latest Blood Angel Kits and the Deathwatch kits. They are the same length of in the legs. The reason why people think the deathwatch are taller is because a fully assembled Deathwatch marine a.) Is almost standing straight up and b.) Creates an optical illusion of height with the mk VIII torsos, which are the exact same length as the normal kits (not accounting the collar."

Then I kindly recommend visiting an ophthalmologist. You are wrong. I too have assembled both kits (and most other marine kits) and I in fact have the parts right in front of me. DW legs are bigger. It is not the pose. You can measure yourself if you don't believe me. It is most noticeable at the foot and the thigh, both being about a millimetre longer than in older kits. Other parts are slightly bigger too, but that's harder to accurately measure.

I have measured them and found them the same. Might I suggest acquiring a new reality, as yours is obviously flawed?
It has occured to me the conversation is now off track. I apologize - As for the Mk III, any ideas on converting them into proper assault marines without Jump Packs.

Unboxing vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY8mZaNR-Pg

-John

Neronoxx wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

I own both the latest Blood Angel Kits and the Deathwatch kits. They are the same length of in the legs. The reason why people think the deathwatch are taller is because a fully assembled Deathwatch marine a.) Is almost standing straight up and b.) Creates an optical illusion of height with the mk VIII torsos, which are the exact same length as the normal kits (not accounting the collar."

Then I kindly recommend visiting an ophthalmologist. You are wrong. I too have assembled both kits (and most other marine kits) and I in fact have the parts right in front of me. DW legs are bigger. It is not the pose. You can measure yourself if you don't believe me. It is most noticeable at the foot and the thigh, both being about a millimetre longer than in older kits. Other parts are slightly bigger too, but that's harder to accurately measure.

I have measured them and found them the same. Might I suggest acquiring a new reality, as yours is obviously flawed?
It has occured to me the conversation is now off track. I apologize - As for the Mk III, any ideas on converting them into proper assault marines without Jump Packs.

I'm sure I saw a load of bolt pistol and chainsword on a sprue in one of the leaked pics. You may not have to do much converting at all.

Jbuckmaster wrote:
Unboxing vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY8mZaNR-Pg

-John

HOLY GAK! Some of those board tiles are absolutely AMAZING!

Video is private now. Mirror?


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found a different one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9uiN6JT9Q0

Next box should have a generic apothecary and librarian. The two consuls its hardest to acquire

New, better sprue photos were posted on the B&C forum

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325049-the-horus-heresy-burning-of-prospero/page-67#entry4539780


Also via Miniwars.eu



Thanks for linking the other unboxing video, Cephalobeard

Neronoxx wrote:
I have measured them and found them the same. Might I suggest acquiring a new reality, as yours is obviously flawed?

These were closest the same pose I could find. The lines on the right are the same length as they're on the legs. Are we now done?

Now, as I hope that we have to everyone's satisfaction established that the Deathwatch are indeed in a new larger scale than the previous kits, we can move on to discuss the relevant part which is whether the marines in this box are in the new or in the old scale.

Thanks very much for the picture!

 Crimson wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:
I have measured them and found them the same. Might I suggest acquiring a new reality, as yours is obviously flawed?

These were closest the same pose I could find. The lines on the right are the same length as they're on the legs. Are we now done?

Now, as I hope that we have to everyone's satisfaction established that the Deathwatch are indeed in a new larger scale than the previous kits, we can move on to discuss the relevant part which is whether the marines in this box are in the new or in the old scale.

I am not disagreeing with you because I think the Mk VIII legs are definitely longer, but an anterior/posterior shot with measurements to go with your lateral shot would be a good idea. Like I said in a post a while back, the stance does influence everything as well.

Those legs are bent at basically the same angle. It's not like he's comparing standing to kneeling.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Video is private now. Mirror?


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found a different one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9uiN6JT9Q0

Can't believe he showed the tiles. Seriously, those things were a thing of beauty, they look fantastic for 40k / RPGs.

How big are the tiles? Might be nice for Dark Heresy

NivlacSupreme wrote:
How big are the tiles? Might be nice for Dark Heresy

Yeah, or Deathwatch. Some seemed as big as that guys shows, with different images on each side, and one in particular was filled with smaller "push-outs"? Is that the word, small pieces you "pop" out? with what seemed a space marine statue, among other smaller pieces of terrain.

"Punch out" is the phrase I would use, but "push out" and "pop out" are descriptive enough to figure out what is meant in this context.

Me and my friend were considering using them for our emperors children vs deathwing campaign. Probably no chance a land raider would fit.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Those legs are bent at basically the same angle. It's not like he's comparing standing to kneeling.

the hip abduction matters though. The comparison is only being made from one frame of reference. Again, I agree they are longer, but in order to get a complete idea of the actual change, anterior/posterior and lateral images are needed.

Anyway, I want more leaks! Still no good pictures of the full tactical squad!

It goes on preorder tomorrow. If betrayal at calth goes on last chance i'm going to freak


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I just realized that ahrimans cake is only attached at the backpack! I hate capes and am now much more willing to put the work into converting him

I'll take the cape if you don't want it. I love capes.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
How big are the tiles? Might be nice for Dark Heresy

They look very similar in size to the Assassinorum: Execution Force sections. Certainly some similar design aesthetics with the punch out "rooms"

NivlacSupreme wrote:

I just realized that ahrimans cake is only attached at the backpack! I hate capes and am now much more willing to put the work into converting him

I'm not bothered by capes, myself, where they make for a certain dramatic look. But the ease of working with the Ahriman mini sans cape will make it easier to get a second librarian out of the mini, which is useful.

Neronoxx wrote:Double poste, ignore

It's a Dakka thing. I forgot about it, happened to me last week. I waited a bit still double post, then did what you did and no longer double post. Next time you see a double post don't edit it. It will fix it's self in a few minutes. I think you might need to reset what you wanted.