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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

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NivlacSupreme wrote:

 BrookM wrote:



Thousand Sons and Space Wolves tutorials are also already up, but are private for now.

I'm beginning to hate these videos. I already buy the expensive GW miniatures and they also expect me to buy 20 different paints to paint them with. I will never be good at painting because I just can't afford to be

You can mix paints to create the colors you need. And you can buy cheaper paints as well. Don`t have money - learn how to mix, it saves a lot, trust me

It`s weird, that you`re beginning to hate these vids- they tell you how to paint your minis in the most efficient, easy way, like on the backcover (for free as well)
It does say on the box, that minis come unassmbled and unpainted.

You can even paint miniatures in monochrome, that`d be cool. (no sarcasm). You only need 2 paints then. Money is no handicap, if you want to become good at painting.
Colors impossible to mix: white, black, yellow, red, blue, metallics. Everything else in your paint box is optional.

I think the point he is trying to make is there just seems so much paint being use that you really don't need them. So another GW trying to get you to buy more for no reason. No disrespect to Duncan or the painters in the How to books that are sold, they are not 'Eavy Metal quality so using so much paint for a "normal" paint job just seems too much. Less paint could have been used in a lot of times.

How are people getting their copies so early?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How are people getting their copies so early?

Just when GW sends them to stores. I get mine tomorrow

I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

I wasn't going to comment on what i was sure to be a troll post, but if you are not going to paint the models why play? I understand that paint gets expensive, but the stuff lasts so long... didn't make sense, so I assumed it was a troll.

Can anyone link the 1k sons and Wolves tutorial or is it too late?

Neronoxx wrote:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

I wasn't going to comment on what i was sure to be a troll post, but if you are not going to paint the models why play? I understand that paint gets expensive, but the stuff lasts so long... didn't make sense, so I assumed it was a troll.

I enjoy the painting, it's just ridiculous how many variants of the same color there are. Over the last year I have acquired 7 reds.

I always think of that list as a colour guide. You can make any red including shades and glazes with two paints (a dark one and a bright one) and some medium. The long list of paints he uses is an easy short hand for the mix I want to make.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

It's not a huge part of the hobby for everyone. I don't really enjoy painting but I like the modelling and the gaming.

NivlacSupreme wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

I wasn't going to comment on what i was sure to be a troll post, but if you are not going to paint the models why play? I understand that paint gets expensive, but the stuff lasts so long... didn't make sense, so I assumed it was a troll.

I enjoy the painting, it's just ridiculous how many variants of the same color there are. Over the last year I have acquired 7 reds.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but in this scenario you are the problem, and it's entirely possible everything you're doing is wrong.

Joyboozer wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

I wasn't going to comment on what i was sure to be a troll post, but if you are not going to paint the models why play? I understand that paint gets expensive, but the stuff lasts so long... didn't make sense, so I assumed it was a troll.

I enjoy the painting, it's just ridiculous how many variants of the same color there are. Over the last year I have acquired 7 reds.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but in this scenario you are the problem, and it's entirely possible everything you're doing is wrong.

Nanana play nice
if someone doesn't paint their mini's it is their prerogative (or uses 6 types of red on one mini )
Some people are board gamers by hart and see them just as play pieces.

Ok, but why complain about them making painting videos or selling paint? Why complain about not being able to afford to paint? Which is a crock, by the way. I used to paint exclusively with craft paints that cost less than a buck each and it came out passable. You don't have to be rich to paint, you just have to be willing to put time and effort in.

If it were simply a matter of not wanting to paint because they care more about playing the game than painting the models, that's one thing. But complaining about these resources being made available for those of us who do like to paint just seems... strange? Pointless? Sour grapes?

I constantly say that I wish Duncan had been around when I started this hobby. His videos have really set the baseline for this generation of gamers and hobbyists, because he makes it so simple. Even after painting for most of my life, I found new tips and techniques in his videos. Not everybody needs to watch his videos, but for those of us who got something out of them, we found them very valuable. Better yet, it's free. Why complain about getting free tips or tutorials? If you don't like them, don't watch them. Easy.

I'd argue that their painting videos is one of the better decisions made. It made this hobby more accessible by showing some people that it isn't as crazy-hard to pull off a good paint scheme as they all thought it was.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby?

Sure. For you. Some people hate painting. Some people don't play the game either, and why should they if they just want to collect/paint the models.

People approach this differently. There is no Citadel™ One True Way™ to approach this HHHobby.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

It's not a huge part of the hobby for everyone. I don't really enjoy painting but I like the modelling and the gaming.

I hate building 'em and painting 'em but I pretty much won't play with unpainted stuff.
So I'm kind of stuck

How about we get off this tangent. Maybe start (yet another) thread on painting vs not painting models.

So where are aussies buying this from? You guys just eating the terrible Australian pricing or do you have somewhere you can import it?

Emerald Hobbies has it for $212 with free shipping iirc.

Best price I've found for it so far, though admittedly I haven't really looked at international options.

EDIT: Yep, was right about the price. Link to store page.

Davor wrote:

I think the point he is trying to make is there just seems so much paint being use that you really don't need them. So another GW trying to get you to buy more for no reason. No disrespect to Duncan or the painters in the How to books that are sold, they are not 'Eavy Metal quality so using so much paint for a "normal" paint job just seems too much. Less paint could have been used in a lot of times.

People complaining that professional painting guides use too many colours is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum in quite some time. If you want to "save money" on painting that badly, buy a $3 spray can and a cheap can of wood stain and be done with it.


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Neronoxx wrote:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...
Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

I wasn't going to comment on what i was sure to be a troll post, but if you are not going to paint the models why play? I understand that paint gets expensive, but the stuff lasts so long... didn't make sense, so I assumed it was a troll.

I think the original poster of that sentiment is ...a younger poster. I checked out his small gallery and "not being able to afford enough colours" isn't his issue, though I'm sure he could improve easily with a few tips.. Davor on the other hand is just busy shaking his fist in the air at ebil geedubs because Davor.


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Celestialpainting wrote:
Can anyone link the 1k sons and Wolves tutorial or is it too late?

They'll probably be "un-private videoed" in the next few days, I imagine.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
How about we get off this tangent. Maybe start (yet another) thread on painting vs not painting models.
So where are aussies buying this from? You guys just eating the terrible Australian pricing or do you have somewhere you can import it?

Importing it. I'm not going to say where from on the forum, though I will say there are lots of sources.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Am I the only one slightly disappointed that the Custodes' helms look so different from the artwork? They look more like fantasy High Elf Silver Helms now.

I found that a little off-putting, as well. Not because it's different to the artwork, exactly, but simply because the rather blatant recycling of High Elf symbols on these guys make them look more like good conversions than production models.

They're pretty, but it's just not quite what I expected.

I've got about 8 reds in use but I like Blood Angels and Word Bearers and am FAR too lazy to mix up big batches of colours for painting armies. Plus I really like buying stuff. I'm DEFINITELY part of the problem.

 Bull0 wrote:
I've got about 8 reds in use but I like Blood Angels and Word Bearers and am FAR too lazy to mix up big batches of colours for painting armies. Plus I really like buying stuff. I'm DEFINITELY part of the problem.

Yeah, screw you for supporting variety!

 Bull0 wrote:
I've got about 8 reds in use but I like Blood Angels and Word Bearers and am FAR too lazy to mix up big batches of colours for painting armies. Plus I really like buying stuff. I'm DEFINITELY part of the problem.

I'll be trying to mix it up by painting my 40k world eaters in just dulled out and highly bloodied heresy colors. I like my head-canon of how some never actually took the time to repaint their armour. It just got that color after all the bloodshed.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
My issue with the Custodes is definitely with the miniatures. The rules seem fine enough, basically a bit above what Terminators should be. On the miniatures themselves the proportions seem a bit off, the arms a tad too long, the shoulders too low in relation to the head. They are by no means terrible, and plenty here seem to like them, but I just feel they are not as good as they could be. I think I may kit bash them with Stormcasts to see what I can come up with.

Exactly my thoughts and exactly what I'll be doing. My main issue is with their legs so gunna look for some decent SCE legs I can repose and sculpt robes onto.

 Azazelx wrote:

Davor wrote:

I think the point he is trying to make is there just seems so much paint being use that you really don't need them. So another GW trying to get you to buy more for no reason. No disrespect to Duncan or the painters in the How to books that are sold, they are not 'Eavy Metal quality so using so much paint for a "normal" paint job just seems too much. Less paint could have been used in a lot of times.

People complaining that professional painting guides use too many colours is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum in quite some time. If you want to "save money" on painting that badly, buy a $3 spray can and a cheap can of wood stain and be done with it.


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Neronoxx wrote:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...
Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

I wasn't going to comment on what i was sure to be a troll post, but if you are not going to paint the models why play? I understand that paint gets expensive, but the stuff lasts so long... didn't make sense, so I assumed it was a troll.

I think the original poster of that sentiment is ...a younger poster. I checked out his small gallery and "not being able to afford enough colours" isn't his issue, though I'm sure he could improve easily with a few tips.. Davor on the other hand is just busy shaking his fist in the air at ebil geedubs because Davor.


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Celestialpainting wrote:
Can anyone link the 1k sons and Wolves tutorial or is it too late?

They'll probably be "un-private videoed" in the next few days, I imagine.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
How about we get off this tangent. Maybe start (yet another) thread on painting vs not painting models.
So where are aussies buying this from? You guys just eating the terrible Australian pricing or do you have somewhere you can import it?

Importing it. I'm not going to say where from on the forum, though I will say there are lots of sources.

I regret ever saying anything but just so you know I have got better since then. Even I admit those were the crappiest things I've ever seen

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

Some of us like the modeling and converting, but don't enjoy the painting so much. I guess it's okay since I also don't play the game?

But asking why people who buy physical miniatures don't just play a video game with no tangible parts is silly.

(Eh, I have many friends who collect miniatures but they don't even like the glue part, much less the painting)

Bless this man and his magnificent tutorials:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about having to paint their models...

Why not just play a computer game if you hate the painting? Isn't the painting a huge part of this hobby? Or is that just me?

They aren't complaining about the painting, they are complaining about the issue of the change in HOW they paint the particular models.

They have evolved the painting tutorials into an overly complicated goal, rather then a fun "Hey you can do this too!" paint guide that is engaging, and interesting.

The new tutorials, paint styles, paints themselves, etc. have pretty much become money sinks. It will devolve, but to keep it in perspective, go back and look at the old paint scheme for a basic Vanilla Space marine, and look at the fresh new car smell GW tutorials.

Ultramarines, for example, were Ultramarine blue, blood red, Mitheral Silver, Golden yellow, Skull white, and Chaos Black. A regular guy can put together a model in a few minutes, a squad in a half an hour or so. Then you base coat it with a primer, then go to work on the base colors of your marines, depending.

(I am just pointing to a basic paint job, with no particular extras, or the three color technique that a kid or preteen would aspire to.)

You would crank out the six to ten figures base color, add in the red weapons, add in the details, pertaining. That would be the pouches, joints, weapon purity seals, etc..

Not going into a whole painting tutorial, but in explanation of the technique- They have evolved to an even more complicated point that in fact drives people away from painting, rather then just giving you a quick base point to target "Here is how to paint a space marine".

I can now point to a Ultramarine tutorial, posted by Warhammer TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_odi1c7ErCg



Color pallet had evolved to no less then 18 different paints. ( 18 different paints, 4.00 USD each- local) Chaos Black Spray-paint. ( GW Website- 13.5 GBP)

You need a cup, water brushes, but we can put this to already on-hand, and then you have the new models themselves... I'm not going to go into those in this post, but to keep it together and wrap up the point - As a new player painter the worst thing in the world to do is to make you drink from the firehose.

A new player should be encouraged to WANT to paint, not to go chase them with a chainsaw, and put them to the torture of- You need to buy "EVERYTHING NOW!!!" to play the game. combine that with the ... "Rules/ gameplay" and you have just opened up a can of the kid that bought 300.00, and throws it away, or puts it back up on EBay for 50.00.

This issue" is more destructive, then inclusive, and does not give a new player a welcome, it gives them intimidation. That is the issue.

I disagree, the videos are really pretty simple to follow and give you something that looks good.

Long may they continue

Emperor forbid they teach people how to paint something more than a few basic colors. No one needs a tutorial for basic 3 color minimum.

I think the tutorials have evolved with painting standards, and the range is designed to make achieving good results easier. There's nothing stopping a newcomer or kid from keeping it simple, and as others have said there's no need to buy loads of paints.

This topic is kind of ridiculous tbh. Let it die.

Not sure there's much more point to this thread.

There's a lot of threads out there discussion the relative merits and demerits of those who do or do not think painting is or is not a core tenet of warhammer.