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 ImAGeek wrote:
Got my Prospero box this morning, and I got an extra Sisters of Silence sprue in mine so I can build 1 extra sister. Bargain!

....*points* the Chosen One! grats

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Got my Prospero box this morning, and I got an extra Sisters of Silence sprue in mine so I can build 1 extra sister. Bargain!

....*points* the Chosen One! grats

Would it be really smug of me to be a little bit annoyed that had it been either of the other sprues I got double of I could've made 2 extra Sisters?

Do you know what would be a neat box? A Xiphon, 2 Hqs, 20 marine and that little artillery thing

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Do you know what would be a neat box? A Xiphon, 2 Hqs, 20 marine and that little artillery thing

How would they fit a xiphon into a board game. ?

Who knows? You still want one

 Desubot wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Do you know what would be a neat box? A Xiphon, 2 Hqs, 20 marine and that little artillery thing

How would they fit a xiphon into a board game. ?

Same way they fit an Aquila Lander into a 40k starter set!

tneva82 wrote:
Bah GW went for sales after all. But worse than that they also managed to do it in worse style of formations. Free rules with ZERO negatives.

Imagine if there was note you can use those squads in elite slot of SM/IG etc. Even then only idiot would NOT use formations. They have zero cost and only can get free rules.

AOS has only one saving grace rulewise and that's cost per formations.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:
Perhaps they are seconded to the Astra Telepathica as their bodyguards?

If there's one place you absolutely don't want to put Sisters of Silence, it's around psykers you're not trying to harm.

It actually makes a kind of sense, seeing as the Sisters of Silence can just step aside when the Psykers' powers need to be utilized.

Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.

They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.

They might not kill them by being close but then again if you are trying to have psykers do something useful do you want to subject them to extreme uncomfortable? Even non-psykers will feel immediate distataste and uneasiness in front of pariah. Psykers suffer much worse(actually wasn't in Eisenhorn trilogy note of psyker actually passing out when pariah gene wielder came into same area).

Kinda hard to work if you are throwing up constantly!

Literally everything you said in that first paragraph is hilariously wrong. 1. AoS is great actually and has a lot of good rules in it. 2. Formations mean they can actually be taken by the 80% of the population that plays battleforged and you have to take several units to get fairly small bonuses, 3. GW went for community feedback which is not necessarily WAAC power gamers out to ruin your 'immersion' but people who think thr models are cool and would like to play them, possibly even in tournament environments. That's not greed, that's being a bro. 4. being IN a codex is way better because then they could start inside rhinos ,Drop pods etc. 6++ is not THAT good.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Got my Prospero box this morning, and I got an extra Sisters of Silence sprue in mine so I can build 1 extra sister. Bargain!

Lucky! It is too bad that the sprues are set up in a way that you couldn't get more out of them beyond the one sister.

My luck will be that I get the box with the missing sprue. It happened with Death Masque and Eldrad.

ERJAK wrote:
Literally everything you said in that first paragraph is hilariously wrong. 1. AoS is great actually and has a lot of good rules in it. 2. Formations mean they can actually be taken by the 80% of the population that plays battleforged and you have to take several units to get fairly small bonuses, 3. GW went for community feedback which is not necessarily WAAC power gamers out to ruin your 'immersion' but people who think thr models are cool and would like to play them, possibly even in tournament environments. That's not greed, that's being a bro. 4. being IN a codex is way better because then they could start inside rhinos ,Drop pods etc. 6++ is not THAT good.

Guess if you want to just roll dice with no strategy it's great...

And with formation the issue is that it's now FREE RULES with NO DISADVANTAGES!

When formations started coming in you got bonuses but had to give out something in return. Like have to take fixed units you might not take otherwise or have some sort of other restrictions.

In otherwords: Bonus was not free.

It's like having formation for every single unit in the game that just is 1-x units, then you get additional rules. Why take without formation?

Only saving grace AOS has rulewise is that it has point cost for formations. In otherwords it's not simply free bonuses for no gain. Now imagine another way they could have allowed them to be used in battle forged games:

"Any detachment that is armies of imperium may take custodes as elite choice".

See? Now imagine that the current formation would ALSO be usable. Who would be stupid enough to take them in elite slot? You don't get any benefit. Formation is either same result as before or free rules. Only idiot would take them in elite slot then.

That's the issue. It's free rules with no disadvantage. Most of formations in 40k at least have SOME sort of price tag(to get free rhino's you have to at least pay the tax of PA marines etc) but this has ZERO DISADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER.

Any formation that has minimum requirement of unit itself with zero restriction that offers bonuses is inheritently flawed. Those rules might have been just as well been incorporated into the unit's rules themselves.

Allowing players to field in battle forged. Fine. But by giving them formation that's just free rules with no disadvantages is pretty much worst way possible GW could have done it.

Now this isn't only case where this is(riptide wing, eldar wraithlord etc) but it's annoying to see how GW designers can't learn from mistakes. Especially as blatant as this one. They could have archieved battle forge usability in oh so many ways but instead they chose the very worst way to do it.

My BoP set should arrive today ... already did some test paintings for Thousand Sons using Calth MKIV Armor and I like the paint scheme. Guess I will wind up painting some more TS besides Ahriman.

Picked up my Prospero two days ago (no extra sprues darn it! ) and damn, the Custodes were a bit bigger than the other models, sure. But building one and putting it alongside a Tartaros Terminator and Mk. III Astartes.. he's a big fether!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My luck will be that I get the box with the missing sprue. It happened with Death Masque and Eldrad.

Same happened to me ... I only realized it months later because I had eyes only for the Deathwatch ...

Hell when formations first showed up they were Apoc-only and you had to pay points for the bonus abilities. Making them free was a bad idea.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hell when formations first showed up they were Apoc-only and you had to pay points for the bonus abilities. Making them free was a bad idea.

I agree with you there H.B.M.C. I never understood why it was such a bad thing to have to pay for formation bonuses. That may even make some of the lesser used formations viable. "Well, the 4+ cover save formation is an extra 100 points, but I can run this Stealth formation for 40, so I guess I'll go that route."

But I digress. I'm still trying to figure out if it would be fluffie for me to build my TS out of Calth marines or Propsero marines. Geez!

I'm hoping 8th will adopt AoS' formation rules in that they cost points and the army still has to adhere to the force org chart (the part that everyone seems to forget to mention).

 godswildcard wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hell when formations first showed up they were Apoc-only and you had to pay points for the bonus abilities. Making them free was a bad idea.

I agree with you there H.B.M.C. I never understood why it was such a bad thing to have to pay for formation bonuses. That may even make some of the lesser used formations viable. "Well, the 4+ cover save formation is an extra 100 points, but I can run this Stealth formation for 40, so I guess I'll go that route."

But I digress. I'm still trying to figure out if it would be fluffie for me to build my TS out of Calth marines or Propsero marines. Geez!

If it helps, TS uses MK4. So if you like MK4 then use Calth. they had their own forges on the planet pooping out their custom Achean Armor (MK4)

The biggest issue with formations is that they follow GW's standard approach to rules development and playtesting (summarised as "this sounds cool and fluffy" and "let's try it out over a couple of beers this afternoon" respectively) with big, complex, customisable, mutually interactive rule systems. So they may have (say) tested out some of the components of current deathstar builds, but never all together (that multiply interactive part). They don't do proper playtesting, i.e. build the most extreme lists they can and test those out. They just make fluffy armies and roll some dice.

A community effort to balance out the formations and the different army books could get something pretty decent out the other side, but it would be a huge effort.

FRom Bl -- presumably next year ..


One cannot help but note how there's quite often a simultaneous release for Bl and GW.

1. Wait so that's a 40k novel? Wow

2. How long is FW going to wait to release the legion specific budles for BoP?

That new-new Custodian armor looks different than the new custodian armour

 reds8n wrote:
FRom Bl -- presumably next year ..


One cannot help but note how there's quite often a simultaneous release for Bl and GW.

Pretty logical. Mutual help and not like they are totally separated so easy to arrange.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
That new-new Custodian armor looks different than the new custodian armour

I think that comes down to artistic license really.

Also the guardian spears don't have triggers

NivlacSupreme wrote:
That new-new Custodian armor looks different than the new custodian armour

This is an old artwork

 Fireball wrote:
My BoP set should arrive today ... already did some test paintings for Thousand Sons using Calth MKIV Armor and I like the paint scheme. Guess I will wind up painting some more TS besides Ahriman.

My rubic upgrade bitz arive tommorow, all shall be dust. (converting my 30 MK3 suits into Rubic Marines)

A larger piece of the original art. But I cannot find the artist. I think it was available as wallpaper from Black Library in 2014




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But the logo makes it clear, this will be a 40k release, really interesting.

Looks like we will be getting the reasons for the Custodes leaving the inner palace at some point next year then. My money is on something to do with the Imperial webway. Off course it could be a thrilling account of what its like to guard a corpse in the centre of the most heavily defended building in the Imperium

Well got my box today from preorder and... I have 2 of Geigor and no Ahriman. Everything else is there though. :(

Vultahn wrote:
Well got my box today from preorder and... I have 2 of Geigor and no Ahriman. Everything else is there though. :(

hmm, that's two mistakes I've heard of so far, though this one sees a lack rather than extras. I guess though, you'll have two Geigors after GW send you the replacement so that's a plus That claw is wicked sweet and a bit I'll be picking up a few more of online or in trading.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Vultahn wrote:
Well got my box today from preorder and... I have 2 of Geigor and no Ahriman. Everything else is there though. :(

hmm, that's two mistakes I've heard of so far, though this one sees a lack rather than extras. I guess though, you'll have two Geigors after GW send you the replacement so that's a plus That claw is wicked sweet and a bit I'll be picking up a few more of online or in trading.

Yeah I'll probably just give my spare to my friend who plays 40k Space Wolves, he'll make good use of it I'm sure.