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Cothonian wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

I've always imaged the Boltgun bolts to be roughly equivalent to a RPG in terms of damage. Therefore, since Boltguns can take down Marines, a Rocket Propelled Grenade could work.

Only issue: as a civilian, I typically do not have access to RPG 7s. Best to pray to the Emperor and hope he passes you by.

Eh, Id say theyre a lot closer to something like a .50 BMG, which, while powerful, isnt the most insane thing out there, you could do with a much less powerful weapon than an RPG to kill a Space Marine without too much trouble, at least with a not unrealistic volume of fire

Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

Almost certainly. 40k equivalents of real world weapons like autocannons and missile launchers appear to be constructed in the same way from the same or similar materials and operate on the same principles, and often are actually even more primitive than modern weapons, so if those can kill an SM, modern equivalents can without issue.

I dont think anyone could make the case that Astartes armor is as protective as 250mm of hardened steel (about a foot thick), and if a 50 year old RPG can defeat that, they can probably defeat power armor. More modern RPG's can defeat almost thrice that, and tank shaped charge shells can defeat over a full meter of hardened steel.

Iron_Captain wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

We don't even know what Astartes power armour is made of, so how could anyone ever possibly answer that question?

same reason as above, we have real equivalents to many 40k weapons that seem to kill SM's just fine.

My only home defense weapon is a rubber mallet... I'd get out of the back door and keep running. Hope he doesn't chase after me. If I have to stay I imagine I'd freeze up at the sound of my door being battered down and be absolutely helpless

On the other hand... can a space marine fit through a human sized doorway?

Throw 6 items at him. he should fail twice and fall over dead.

 Desubot wrote:
Throw 6 items at him. he should fail twice and fall over dead.

Better make it 36. 18 will hit, even wounding on 6's at S2 youll get 3 wounds, and then one should fail

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

We don't even know what Astartes power armour is made of, so how could anyone ever possibly answer that question?

Well, we could compare similar things in 40k lore.

Like plasma weapons and krak missile launchers.

Both of which make short work of power armored Astartes.

So I'm going to guess yes.

Also, if the resilience of Astartes power armor is a complete unknown, what on Earth is the point of this thread? It asks if an ordinary human could defeat an Astartes in the event that Astartes found itself on Earth. If we have zero data on the protectiveness of power armor, how is this a thread anyone could answer, since we would have zero concept of whether any terrestrial weapon would defeat the armor?


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 Snake Tortoise wrote:
On the other hand... can a space marine fit through a human sized doorway?

Are your home's walls or doorways sturdy enough to stop a power armored Space Marine from bursting through them like the Kool-Aid Man?

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Throw 6 items at him. he should fail twice and fall over dead.

Better make it 36. 18 will hit, even wounding on 6's at S2 youll get 3 wounds, and then one should fail

You're assuming we're all BS3. If you're bad at throwing things you might need 54 things to get 18 hits.


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 Pouncey wrote:
...Are your home's walls or doorways sturdy enough to stop a power armored Space Marine from bursting through them like the Kool-Aid Man?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say for most of us the answer is probably "no".

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Throw 6 items at him. he should fail twice and fall over dead.

Better make it 36. 18 will hit, even wounding on 6's at S2 youll get 3 wounds, and then one should fail

Even if all that were true, you'd only kill him like that 50% of the time that way! Of course, within that 50% you might also kill him 36 times...

 Yarium wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Throw 6 items at him. he should fail twice and fall over dead.

Better make it 36. 18 will hit, even wounding on 6's at S2 youll get 3 wounds, and then one should fail

Even if all that were true, you'd only kill him like that 50% of the time that way! Of course, within that 50% you might also kill him 36 times...

Meanwhile, as you were trying to calculate the optimal number of objects to hurl at the Astartes, he has closed to to melee range and is presently eating your brain to find out what you know. Oh, he killed you like two minutes ago, I forgot to mention that.

I literally have nothing that could harm a SM and no muscles to match, so unless he wants a maths challenge, RIP me

.308 rifle would wreck him sadly.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Throw 6 items at him. he should fail twice and fall over dead.

Better make it 36. 18 will hit, even wounding on 6's at S2 youll get 3 wounds, and then one should fail

dang it i knew i forgot something

 Xenomancers wrote:
.308 rifle would wreck him sadly.

I was actually thinking I can put a lot of .308/7.62 NATO downrange accurately and quickly. Don't know the effect it would have on Super Armor from the future, but joints and sensors are likely still vulnerable to the beating my rounds would give.

In the long term (not an Oh Crap there he is, time to fight!) I submit if you can make an IED that can throw 25 tons of armored truck in the air several feet you can take out a space marine.

 Pouncey wrote:



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 Snake Tortoise wrote:
On the other hand... can a space marine fit through a human sized doorway?

Are your home's walls or doorways sturdy enough to stop a power armored Space Marine from bursting through them like the Kool-Aid Man?

I don't know... bricks held together with cement covered in plaster with the wooden frame around the door... a Space Marine isn't just walking through that. I expect they'd batter through eventually but by that time a person can be out of a window and running, and that Space Marine then has to scrape/bludgeon his way back through the hallway and to the front door. I don't live in a big America house, I live in a one bedroom flat and the hallway at the front door is a narrow space for a 7 foot guy in power armour

I think if a human occupied fortress (in 40k) wants to protect itself from Space Marines it just has to make long narrow corridors 6 feet high and wide enough for one person to walk down. How's a Space Marine getting in? Build it into the side of a mountain

You don't.

Dark Heresy does a great job portraying what it's like if a normal person went up against a Chaos/Vanilla Space marine. The rule of thumb is you run and you run fast because they're like Agents in the Matrix.

An angry space marine doesn't walk through wooden doors. He walks THROUGH wooden doors. With ease.

I kinda wish BA had the rules for angry marines. Move through cover is $$.

Not something that I would personally possess, but I'd suspect that if you could manage to wedge a grenade between his helmet and his back pack, that would probably do the business.

around here a lone Space Marine would be target practice.

Personally.... Try and drown him in my own blood after he's brutally destroyed me

Dang it i cant find a gif of kenshiro walking through a building from FotNS

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

It would have no problem penetrating SM power armour. It would also penetrate Land Raider armour without much trouble since GW in with their infinite wisdom has stated that Land Raiders has the equivalent of 300mm steel armour, Which frankly is ludicrous.

But if you don't have an RPG-7 in your home then you could try to ram him with a car. Sure, the car will be demolished and you might get seriously injured or at worst die in the crash but the marine will likely die or at least be seriously injured by the impact.

 Gargantuan wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

It would have no problem penetrating SM power armour. It would also penetrate Land Raider armour without much trouble since GW in with their infinite wisdom has stated that Land Raiders has the equivalent of 300mm steel armour, Which frankly is ludicrous.

But if you don't have an RPG-7 in your home then you could try to ram him with a car. Sure, the car will be demolished and you might get seriously injured or at worst die in the crash but the marine will likely die or at least be seriously injured by the impact.

10' of armor? seriously 10 whole feet of plate armor?

anyway if a car use like a 76 Caddy or any 70's model Caddy, the caddy will survive, the Space Marine will be a road bump

Asterios wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

It would have no problem penetrating SM power armour. It would also penetrate Land Raider armour without much trouble since GW in with their infinite wisdom has stated that Land Raiders has the equivalent of 300mm steel armour, Which frankly is ludicrous.

But if you don't have an RPG-7 in your home then you could try to ram him with a car. Sure, the car will be demolished and you might get seriously injured or at worst die in the crash but the marine will likely die or at least be seriously injured by the impact.

10' of armor? seriously 10 whole feet of plate armor?

anyway if a car use like a 76 Caddy or any 70's model Caddy, the caddy will survive, the Space Marine will be a road bump

300mm is roughly a foot.

 Gargantuan wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

It would have no problem penetrating SM power armour. It would also penetrate Land Raider armour without much trouble since GW in with their infinite wisdom has stated that Land Raiders has the equivalent of 300mm steel armour, Which frankly is ludicrous.

But if you don't have an RPG-7 in your home then you could try to ram him with a car. Sure, the car will be demolished and you might get seriously injured or at worst die in the crash but the marine will likely die or at least be seriously injured by the impact.

10' of armor? seriously 10 whole feet of plate armor?

anyway if a car use like a 76 Caddy or any 70's model Caddy, the caddy will survive, the Space Marine will be a road bump

300mm is roughly a foot.

oops thinking in CM's not MM's but still a whole foot? man the power consumption on that vehicle must be horrendous.

 oldzoggy wrote:
We do know the damage it could take in the RPG's. Making most if not all or home made improvized weapons completely useless.

In the RPGs a Lasgun basically can't hurt a Marine at all, unless you get a crit (in which case it just does 1 wound anyway, and Marines can easily have 20+ maximum wounds).

They were made with GW oversight and I really don't see any reason to consider them any less canon. Their massive granularity increase (1-99 statlines instead of 1-9, etc) only seem to make them more accurate.

Basically, the fight begins, you both roll for initiative, he has a much higher A stat so he is likely to go first. He uses IR sight to see you, makes a charge move through the wall of your house and hits you with a +10 Charge bonus standard attack which is probably going to kill you whether he is armed or not.

 Gargantuan wrote:
It would also penetrate Land Raider armour without much trouble since GW in with their infinite wisdom has stated that Land Raiders has the equivalent of 300mm steel armour, Which frankly is ludicrous. .

...Why the feth did GW's lore writers decide to give their futuristic super-indestructible tank an armor rating in units that currently exist? Even Star Trek knew to measure their computers' power in quads rather than a real unit of measurement so that no matter how advanced computers in real life got, no comparison was possible, allowing it to always seem amazingly powerful.

Follow-on question: After making that terrible decision, why did they not do cursory research into real life armor and at least make it similar to the material US battleships were retrofitted with that can take a direct hit from a 2,000lbs torpedo without any damage but a messed-up paint job?

Last I checked Forge World gives the dimensions of their vehicles, not their equivalent in modern materials. 40k tanks tend to be bigger, emptier inside, and thinner-armoured than modern tanks, but they run on space magic metallurgy so it's hard to make a direct comparison.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
We do know the damage it could take in the RPG's. Making most if not all or home made improvized weapons completely useless.

In the RPGs a Lasgun basically can't hurt a Marine at all, unless you get a crit (in which case it just does 1 wound anyway, and Marines can easily have 20+ maximum wounds).

They were made with GW oversight and I really don't see any reason to consider them any less canon. Their massive granularity increase (1-99 statlines instead of 1-9, etc) only seem to make them more accurate.

I have a proposal for IG armed with lasgun who face power armored infantry.

Aim for the lenses of the helmet and try to blind the sensors. Lasguns are light weapons capable of causing lethal damage to human-like beings with the amount of heat energy they impart with each shot. That amount of light hitting some sort of visual sensor is going to start messing it up pretty badly and prevent the Astartes or Sororitas from seeing properly..

That's easy. I fire up my Goto-pattern Multi-Lazor and insta-kill him. And the Land Raider that he rode in on.

The Goto-pattern Multi-Lazor is unstoppable!

 Pouncey wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
We do know the damage it could take in the RPG's. Making most if not all or home made improvized weapons completely useless.

In the RPGs a Lasgun basically can't hurt a Marine at all, unless you get a crit (in which case it just does 1 wound anyway, and Marines can easily have 20+ maximum wounds).

They were made with GW oversight and I really don't see any reason to consider them any less canon. Their massive granularity increase (1-99 statlines instead of 1-9, etc) only seem to make them more accurate.

I have a proposal for IG armed with lasgun who face power armored infantry.

Aim for the lenses of the helmet and try to blind the sensors. Lasguns are light weapons capable of causing lethal damage to human-like beings with the amount of heat energy they impart with each shot. That amount of light hitting some sort of visual sensor is going to start messing it up pretty badly and prevent the Astartes or Sororitas from seeing properly..

He is much faster. He will shoot first, and he won't need to shoot twice.

They also have visual sensors on their boltguns (which is why they can fire from the hip so easily) linked to their helmets. Autosenses!