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 Vaktathi wrote:

Cothonian wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

I've always imaged the Boltgun bolts to be roughly equivalent to a RPG in terms of damage. Therefore, since Boltguns can take down Marines, a Rocket Propelled Grenade could work.

Only issue: as a civilian, I typically do not have access to RPG 7s. Best to pray to the Emperor and hope he passes you by.

Eh, Id say theyre a lot closer to something like a .50 BMG, which, while powerful, isnt the most insane thing out there, you could do with a much less powerful weapon than an RPG to kill a Space Marine without too much trouble, at least with a not unrealistic volume of fire

Pouncey wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
As a single individual against a Space Marine at that kind of close range? Not much :/

I could grab an AK and hope for an extremely lucky one in a thousand shot, but practically speaking, as a lone civilian with zero time to prepare, there arent many options.

Now, I have no doubt any modern military wouldnt have much problem dealing with space marines on the ground once real world realities kick in, but as a random civilian in a self defense situation Probably not much other than running away.

Do you think a standard RPG-7's plasma stream would defeat Astartes Power Armor?

Almost certainly. 40k equivalents of real world weapons like autocannons and missile launchers appear to be constructed in the same way from the same or similar materials and operate on the same principles, and often are actually even more primitive than modern weapons, so if those can kill an SM, modern equivalents can without issue.

I dont think anyone could make the case that Astartes armor is as protective as 250mm of hardened steel (about a foot thick), and if a 50 year old RPG can defeat that, they can probably defeat power armor. More modern RPG's can defeat almost thrice that, and tank shaped charge shells can defeat over a full meter of hardened steel.

This is fiction. Space Marine armour is made of a fictional material. You can make the case that Space Marine armour is as protective as everything you damn well want, because it is always going to be just as protective as the plot demands. We should not be wondering "can a real-life weapon do anything against a Space Marine?", because that is a question that is impossible to answer because the strength of a Space Marine's armour depends completely on the plot of the story.
The same is true for most weapons in 40k. They are made of materials that do not really exist, so therefore it is impossible to compare them to any real-life weapon. 40k weapons are as strong as the plot demands them to be. In some stories a Space Marine shrugs of thousands of lasguns, in others a Space Marine can be killed by a single lasgun shot. It all depends on the plot.

Therefore, what we should be wondering about in this scenario is "what is the relevance of the normal human being and the Space Marine to the plot?". Because that is the only way by which fights involving fictional characters are being decided. If the normal human is important to the plot, he will be able to kill the Space Marine with whatever weapon he has lying about, whether it be an advanced missile launcher or just a rusty crowbar. If however the Space Marine is more important than the normal human to the plot, then he won't be able to kill the Space Marine no matter what weapons he has, even if it is a fully armed attack helicopter.

This may not be a satisfying answer, but it is the only realistic one. Any answer as to 'yes' or 'no' is just fantasising without any factual base.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Laughs as the Space Marine either falls dead or immobile as the laws of physics and biology turns this into a non-threat, then buy lots of green spray paint and a bunch of drills bits, paint the SM in Dark Angel colors, drill a hole through the head, and then call my friend who likes the DA about how I bagged one in my appartement

This may actually be the most realistic answer
Space Marines are inherently unrealistic, they could not exist in our world.

Haha, some of these posts are funny and cringey but it's very amusing to see everyone be able to pull all these weapons in the matter of a few seconds when you're not even confused on why an 8" feet SM suddenly exists on your block and is walking towards you. I probably would crap myself lol, not only from the fact there's a freaking SM coming to rip my ass apart but the fact that the 40k Universe exists in reality. It's a scary place to be.

 RaiGreySteel wrote:
Haha, some of these posts are funny and cringey but it's very amusing to see everyone be able to pull all these weapons in the matter of a few seconds when you're not even confused on why an 8" feet SM suddenly exists on your block and is walking towards you. I probably would crap myself lol, not only from the fact there's a freaking SM coming to rip my ass apart but the fact that the 40k Universe exists in reality. It's a scary place to be.

Oh let people have their fun man I myself would probably just run to the hills

I found my moms 5" fish cutting knife in a drawer in the house.
And my brothers old golf driver club.

Im still dead.
No, you still cant have my stuff.

Next?

Attack from above. Judging by cosplay attempts, a space marine cannot raise his hands above his shoulders with pauldrons on.

Cmon peeps, how you going to stop this?
Ok he seems to have misplaced his bolter

That looks pretty goofy to be fair.

With a HEAP round.

Well if a "real" space marine showed up then it would prove the Warp/Gods/Faith existed and therefore I'd just pray......if in that instant of revelation my till then nascent psyker powers manifested I would kill him with mind bullets. If not well it was fun living......

and as mentioned by others no you can't have my stuff.

 Ratius wrote:
Cmon peeps, how you going to stop this?
Ok he seems to have misplaced his bolter

I could armwrestle that and I'm not even a big guy. He's got forearms like a T-rex

I'd make for the nearest stairwell.
Anybody who has played 40k RPG knows stairs are the greatest Space Marine killers in the universe.
Humour aside I'd probably close the gap to sate my curiosity and get smeared over the ground.

 CptJake wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Do you guys really have all those guns around your home ?

Some of us do...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2640/504193.page#8971813

Wow, I knew you guys liked guns but this is still a shocking difference to what I am used to.
It is all for sports / hobby or do you guys actually feel you need them an how do you afford them all ?
Collecting guns seems an expensive hobby when you are already collecting GW priced mini's.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Do you guys really have all those guns around your home ?

Some of us do...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2640/504193.page#8971813

Wow, I knew you guys liked guns but this is still a shocking difference to what I am used to.
It is all for sports / hobby or do you guys actually feel you need them an how do you afford them all ?
Collecting guns seems an expensive hobby when you are already collecting GW priced mini's.

Check out that thread. It will enlighten you. And I don't have much GW stuff.

 Ratius wrote:
Cmon peeps, how you going to stop this?
Ok he seems to have misplaced his bolter

Stand behind him and be quiet.

 Ratius wrote:
Cmon peeps, how you going to stop this?
Ok he seems to have misplaced his bolter

Since his/her outfit is 99% foam or plastic. I would feel sorry for him/her near an open flame

 Iron_Captain wrote:
This is fiction. Space Marine armour is made of a fictional material. You can make the case that Space Marine armour is as protective as everything you damn well want, because it is always going to be just as protective as the plot demands. We should not be wondering "can a real-life weapon do anything against a Space Marine?", because that is a question that is impossible to answer because the strength of a Space Marine's armour depends completely on the plot of the story.

Sure, the properties of armor and armor penetration for 40K weapons are impossible to determine (though the fluff can give some pointers). We have no idea if future armor would be impervious to modern small arms or perhaps totally worthless.

But surely the human body hasn't changed that much? We have a pretty good idea about how tough our ancestors could be, and when it comes to weapons what kills us would have killed them too (even if some of them might hit harder than any of us except professional strongmen). Toughness 3 for a normal human and T4 for a marine means anything that can kill the human also can kill the marine according to the to-wound table in my rulebook.

So IMO the best bet would be a standard anti-tank mine (10kg of TNT). His armor might not even be dented but the upward acceleration would without a doubt kill him in an instant, everything but his bones jellified.

There was a marine killed in one of the first HH books that was stabbed through the neck by a lucky spear stab, if I recall. From a human.

Of course, his squad mate tore the human in half with his bear hands. So have fun trying!

 Matthew wrote:
Picture this: You wake up in the middle of the night to a loud boom. You look out the window, and there's a Space Marine standing in the middle of the street, moving down everything that moves. He sees you, and starts walking to your house. Using your knowledge of the Warhammer universe, how would you kill him?

Depends a lot on whether or not he is a Chaos Space Marine or an Imperial Space Marine.

IF Chaos, I will laugh at him and punch him in the throat and that should probably do it.

If its Imperial, i'll point out that he isn't adhering to the codex astartes and that the Emperor protects and some other platitudes until his head explodes from boredom.

 kronk wrote:
There was a marine killed in one of the first HH books that was stabbed through the neck by a lucky spear stab, if I recall. From a human.

Of course, his squad mate tore the human in half with his bear hands. So have fun trying!

It was some strange tribe on a daemon world and it shocked everybody that it happened, even the centuries-old veterans.

Clearly it's not something to expect.


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Spetulhu wrote:
But surely the human body hasn't changed that much? We have a pretty good idea about how tough our ancestors could be, and when it comes to weapons what kills us would have killed them too (even if some of them might hit harder than any of us except professional strongmen). Toughness 3 for a normal human and T4 for a marine means anything that can kill the human also can kill the marine according to the to-wound table in my rulebook.

The RPG stats are just as canon and by their metric attacks that would be S3 on the tabletop are completely useless.

Hope he's a salamander and start praying for the emperor. They don't kill imperial civvies.

 Ratius wrote:
Cmon peeps, how you going to stop this?
Ok he seems to have misplaced his bolter

As above, but I would flank him and aim for the massive vents on his rear, taking out his reactor and either blowing him up or leaving him unable to move.

 Ashiraya wrote:


The RPG stats are just as canon and by their metric attacks that would be S3 on the tabletop are completely useless.

Eh? It's a frequent complaint about the RPGs that even a simple thrown rock can hurt a Space Marine, due to how Righteous Fury works.

Autoguns are effective against marines in the RPGs. Not very effective, but they can hurt them.

In Deathwatch Overkill, my last 2 games were won by guys firing a golden BB to wound the SM, and him failing his save. It's pretty easy.

 Pouncey wrote:
Grab a large kitchen knife and shove it through his cosplay armor repeatedly until he stops moving.

My knowledge of the WH40k universe suggests incredibly strongly that he is not a real Space Marine.

Space Marines go after critical targets and locations. A suburb with only random civilians is not a place any Space Marine would be during an attack on Earth.

Further, he is wasting his ammunition on random civilians. That's a very dumb thing for a Space Marine to do given how hard to make bolts are. He then decided to take me on in melee instead of shooting me from where he was, like he would have if he, for some reason was tasked with soloing a neighbourhood of civilians with no military or strategic value.

He is thus in an area no Space Marine would go, doing things no Space Marine would do.

Ergo, he is not a Space Marine, but instead a wacko cosplayer.

Night Lords


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Alcibiades wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:


The RPG stats are just as canon and by their metric attacks that would be S3 on the tabletop are completely useless.

Eh? It's a frequent complaint about the RPGs that even a simple thrown rock can hurt a Space Marine, due to how Righteous Fury works.

Autoguns are effective against marines in the RPGs. Not very effective, but they can hurt them.

depends what one you play, in Dark heresy 2nd edition RF only deals 1 damage if that attack doesn't get past armor/Toughness

Shooting him with an autopistol nine times.

Edit: correction, if we're talking about a "regular" human with some basic weapon training, so BS3, then it'd be 18 shots.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
With a gun.

Lasguns kill marines all the time. Presuming, as many do, that a Lasrifle is roughly a modern battle rifle in power, then "shoot him with bullets" should work.

Question then is marine in question as per fluff or seriously watered down game version?

If he's canonically tough forget that. PA is pretty much impervious to lasgun. Marine could charge up middle of platoon of IG(armed only with lasgun), pose around giving them ample time to pour lasgun fire and then blast them apart. Only issue would be repainting armour!

"damn punks. Don't they realize how timeconsuming painting power armour is? Show some respect and just die!"

tneva82 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
With a gun.

Lasguns kill marines all the time. Presuming, as many do, that a Lasrifle is roughly a modern battle rifle in power, then "shoot him with bullets" should work.

Question then is marine in question as per fluff or seriously watered down game version?

If he's canonically tough forget that. PA is pretty much impervious to lasgun. Marine could charge up middle of platoon of IG(armed only with lasgun), pose around giving them ample time to pour lasgun fire and then blast them apart. Only issue would be repainting armour!

"damn punks. Don't they realize how timeconsuming painting power armour is? Show some respect and just die!"

The problem with this is that, as far as I know, in no context in which Space Marines or their power armo(u)r have actually been quantified -- in TT games or RPGs -- are they impervious to lasguns.

Alcibiades wrote:

Eh? It's a frequent complaint about the RPGs that even a simple thrown rock can hurt a Space Marine, due to how Righteous Fury works.

Autoguns are effective against marines in the RPGs. Not very effective, but they can hurt them.

People without fate points don't get Righteous Fury if I recall correctly.

Barring Righteous Fury in Dark Heresy a lasgun couldn't hurt a Space Marine in power armour (due to how toughness works). But then again a plasma gun would barely hurt a Space Marine in it.

Alcibiades wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:


The RPG stats are just as canon and by their metric attacks that would be S3 on the tabletop are completely useless.

Eh? It's a frequent complaint about the RPGs that even a simple thrown rock can hurt a Space Marine, due to how Righteous Fury works.

Autoguns are effective against marines in the RPGs. Not very effective, but they can hurt them.

Autoguns cannot harm them in my experience (they and lasguns have what, 1d10+3 damage and 0 pen, against a Marine who will have a toughness bonus of at least 8 and often higher, as well as a minimum of 7 armor depending on hit location, armor type, and edition).

As was said, RF requires fate points and attacks that normally cannot hurt a target only does 1 damage with RF.

So in this scenario a bio-engineered supersoldier with advanced infantry power armor and weaponry has entered a modern civilian area and has noticed, and is now pursuing, and individual.

In that fiction, thoughts of "shoot him" guarantee death. You are going one on one with a superior force that is specifically outfitted for direct conflict. Tactical failure.

Fleeing is probably the only viable option. Unconventional force may work. The car ramming, deploying to inaccessible areas, etc. *may* work. However, they may just get you dead. With superhuman reflexes, the SM may just step out of the roadway and shoot you as you drive, etc. Realistically, if the SM has noticed the target, any potential advantage is gone and it's now a question of possible survival, not victory.

However, given this would be a highly unusual fictional scenario, perhaps the targeted individual is targeted for a reason. Maybe they are a latent psyker, can act as a daemonhost, or the SM desires to capture, not slay, the target.