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Since I'm new, that Deathwatch pack looks like it might be good for me.

Wayniac wrote:
Basically they picked what were top sellers and threw them more love instead of trying to even the score. The AOS set is particular annoying because they have 3 out of 4 Grand Alliances represented, and apparently gave Death the old middle finger to push more Sylvaneth. Also apparenty the Khorne one is the same as the old Bloodbound Expansion box, but cheaper.

These seem pretty milquetoast even by GW standards. 3 out of 4 40k armies are Imperium, 2 out of 4 AOS are Order, no Death anywhere to be found, and the Bloodbound one looks like a rehash (even with a lower price, that's still kinda lame).

Death has Vlagorescu's box, which makes saving of 90-ish dollars. Considering flesh-eater courts is the only solid army death has it's understandable. Order has the most armies too. I on the other hand am disappointed witht he Ironjawz starter, mainly because the bloody giant stands like a sore thumb since you need to have 100% ironjawz to make a legal list. You're saving 80 dollars but 40 of those most likely won't see use. Meanwhile the start collecting is like 70 dollars of savings and everything will see use, even if you buy multiple boxes.

Tempted by the Sylvaneth one.

Been out of 40K for a long while, what size army are you looking at if you got this Tau set and a Tau Start Collecting? 1250ish points?

It's difficult for me to get a good look at the Khorne Bloodbound box with the screen i'm currently on so can someone tell me what the difference between this one and the currently available one is?


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Also! I haven't paid attention to holiday offerings in a few years so is this the sort of thing that tends to be a webstore exclusive?

 Kalamadea wrote:
Been out of 40K for a long while, what size army are you looking at if you got this Tau set and a Tau Start Collecting? 1250ish points?

844 points without any upgrades. How I would play it, 1012. Please note that I use a lot fewer upgrades than most. Add a Riptide and you have a perfectly workable 1250 force.

 joseph_curwen wrote:
It's difficult for me to get a good look at the Khorne Bloodbound box with the screen i'm currently on so can someone tell me what the difference between this one and the currently available one is?


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Also! I haven't paid attention to holiday offerings in a few years so is this the sort of thing that tends to be a webstore exclusive?

Looks to be Skarr Bloodwrath, Aspiring Deathbringer w/ Goreaxe and Skullhammer (99% sure on this one, but it's hard to make out), 10 Blood Warriors, 20 Bloodreavers, 3 Mighty Skullcrushers, and 5 Skullreapers/Wrathmongers. Very solid addition to either the SC or starter set.

The Deathwatch box looks great. Too bad I wont have any money this holiday season.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Been out of 40K for a long while, what size army are you looking at if you got this Tau set and a Tau Start Collecting? 1250ish points?

844 points without any upgrades. How I would play it, 1012. Please note that I use a lot fewer upgrades than most. Add a Riptide and you have a perfectly workable 1250 force.

Definitely seems like things have decreased in points since I played in late 3rd to early 5th.

Bah!
No Eldar.
No Orc.
No Sisters of Battle!

Left me out in the cold they did.


Back to Blood Bowl.

Whew! For £100 I can't say I'm all that tempted as I echo some of my other spoilt brethren in this thread who are lamenting the omission of Eldar (both varieties) and Imperial Guard.

That said, like the 'Start Collecting!' sets is there any information as to whether these will be available at discounters? A good 20% off on an already tempting deal makes the fence that I'm sat on far more uncomfortable!

Why are people surprised that its armies with newer models? What are they going to have resin battleforces? Are they going to re-release Sisters of Battle in a Battleforce? An AoS Death Battleforce with 15 year old models? Cmon guys.

I'm just annoyed that the Space Wolf one has 15 Grey Hunters. I have 10 Grey Hunters and 15 Bloodclaws, how many do I goddam need?!??!?!? Its such a good deal but I dont know what I would do with those troop guys.

Yeah, I don't NEED that admech box to add to my army, but... if the price is right.

Huh well Warhammer 40k just showed the Battleforces on their fb page, I like their responses to leaks.

 Scrub wrote:
is there any information as to whether these will be available at discounters? A good 20% off on an already tempting deal makes the fence that I'm sat on far more uncomfortable!

Yeah, I feel the same way. If these are available at 20-25% off I don't think that I could stop myself from grabbing a couple.

If the current GW sales ploy involves giving a notable discount on standard prices, putting together sensible arrangements of unit choices between these and the Start Collecting sets, leaving new customers with a reasonable force but some obvious choices for expansion towards some of the pricier kits... then this is a GW sales ploy I can live with!!

I'm happy to see SW and DW, sad that there is no Orks or IG(AM) sets, but my wallet is grateful

I am thoroughly enjoying the current ongoing refreshing era of GW not being dicks tbh, long may it continue, despite the protestations of my much raped wallet

They've already uploaded better looking pics in FB (I have to say, that Sylvaneth box is looking sexier by the minute. The Ironjawz' giant is sticking out like a sore thumb :( )

I kind of want that Deathwatch box to play Kill Team with...

These sets really highlight the cost discrepancy between armies. Just compare what you get in SW vs AdMech or Khorne vs anything.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
These sets really highlight the cost discrepancy between armies. Just compare what you get in SW vs AdMech or Khorne vs anything.

The Khorne box is offset by the fact that a lot of the figures are more of those damned Bloodreavers, the cockroaches of the Chaos alliance.

 Don Savik wrote:
Why are people surprised that its armies with newer models? What are they going to have resin battleforces? Are they going to re-release Sisters of Battle in a Battleforce? An AoS Death Battleforce with 15 year old models? Cmon guys.

I'm just annoyed that the Space Wolf one has 15 Grey Hunters. I have 10 Grey Hunters and 15 Bloodclaws, how many do I goddam need?!??!?!? Its such a good deal but I dont know what I would do with those troop guys.

Build them as anything you realistically want barring Skyclaws or Swiftclaws?

Grey Hunters and Blood Claws aren't a "set" like any other army realistically has for Troops. They're the basis for practically every foot version of Space Wolf out there.

Long Fangs? Use that sprue plus some leftover weapons from the Devastator sprues! No Grav-Cannons though.
Wolf Guard without Terminator Armor? Oh look...you can do that without having to have bits from other sprues!
Skyclaws? Get some Jump Packs!
Want to build a Wolf Lord? Can do, boss!

I get that they feel like a "tax" in the box, but it's not like getting Scouts or Terminators or Vanguard/Sternguard Veterans.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
These sets really highlight the cost discrepancy between armies. Just compare what you get in SW vs AdMech or Khorne vs anything.

Eh. AdMech is, for lack of a better description, mostly full of tax units.

Electropriests? Dragoons/Ironstriders? They should have just doubled up on Kataphron and Kastellans.

Wow 84.5 pounds savings on the Ironjaws

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow 84.5 pounds savings on the Ironjaws

And they're actually Ironjaws this time instead of Black Orcs.

Is it confirmed whether or not there will be Formations/Battalions for the boxes? I'm kind of hoping not but I feel like it's expected at this point.

It's 50% off for the Stormcast. That's crazy.

I'm totally sold on the Sylvaneth. I'm tempted by the Ironjawz but that Giant is turning me off.

The Stormcast is a possibility since it has stuff I don't mind getting more of (Liberators & Paladins) and stuff I need more of or want. I mean the prime, dracothin's and venator are worth the cost alone. But I need to count how many Liberators and Paladins I have.

Grr. I want 3 of those 40k kits but can only probably get 2. I know admech, but do I want more deathwatch or more tau?

Requizen wrote:
Is it confirmed whether or not there will be Formations/Battalions for the boxes? I'm kind of hoping not but I feel like it's expected at this point.

Not confirmed, but the Ironjawz box is called "Thunderfist" and all of their Battalions are similar... Ironfist, Gorefist, Brutefist, etc.

I'm assuming we'll see an included Battalion called Thunderfist with the box contents.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm tempted by the Ironjawz but that Giant is turning me off.

That version of it, yea. But get some armor bits from the Maw-krusha, Gore-gruntas, or even Mega Nobz kits and he'll look awesome.

None of these tempt me, even the Admech one (Admech being my next 40k army). I'd rather buy multiple Start Collecting Admech.

My wife likes the Space Wolves one (her next 40k army). What kind of points range is that plus a Start Collecting box? (we're still waiting for The War Store to deliver the Codex).

 Breotan wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'm tempted by the Ironjawz but that Giant is turning me off.

That version of it, yea. But get some armor bits from the Maw-krusha, Gore-gruntas, or even Mega Nobz kits and he'll look awesome.

True, it's more the destruction of the faction special battlelines that I have the issue with. I hadn't thought about using additional armor bitz from larger kits to armor him up. That at least makes him fit style wise. Thanks