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Okay now that Frontline gaming posted that yeah I'm not buying this not unless we got some MAJOR point reductions for sisters it's just not... good.

I think this canoness model might be the first time I have seen something go up for preorder on gws site and sell out so fast. It was already gone at 10:00 this morning

So it's true. A printed book with all rules to play Sisters of Battle.

Well, at last, I will be able to leave at home my self-printed version of the old PDF codex. Sweet!

From FLG review:

You are forced to take a compulsory elite option, but it isn’t all that bad because GW gave the sisters access to Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders, and Arco-Flagellents.

They already had access to those via the Ministorum War Conclave unit. I don't see what's changed.

 mmzero252 wrote:
Not sure how accurate it is, but apparently this is another rumor of what the formations are.

I hope they are. Some of those are really nice. Emperor's Hate and the Angelic Host sound great, the Penitent Host might actually be worth a look depending on what's meant by "charge from anywhere", the squadron option for Immolators... I'm not sure about that one, but the extra special rules are kinda nice. If it sorts their flimsiness issues even a little I can see it being very useful indeed, but I've never run vehicle squadrons so I don't know how that works.

Dat Wrath Squadron, though. I love my Rets to pieces and now I can not only take them without a Canoness tax, but they get Torrent as well? Yes please.

Hoping against hope this stuff is accurate.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Always good to remove options - oh wait its not. Kicking people when they are down is not especaily cool.

If even one quarter of mmzero's Formations are accurate, Sisters just got a lot punchier and far more flexible. Have a bibble about Celestine if you want, I'll be over here with my Torrenting Retributors and 5++ Seraphim.

My goodness, is this the Imperial Agents thread or the Sisters support group?

Anyway, this book seems really lackluster so far. Especially compared to Traitor Legions. The fact that every army seems to have different factions would seem to nix it's tournament usefulness (which limit number of detachments) too.

If you want to field lots of Imperial bits in a Grand Alliance style army in an uncompetitive scene it might be O.K.

The only real good part seems to be the Inquisition formation bonus, though you're limited to 1 Inquisitor now and Inquisition elites are not terribly strong to begin with.

 BBAP wrote:
From FLG review:

You are forced to take a compulsory elite option, but it isn’t all that bad because GW gave the sisters access to Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders, and Arco-Flagellents.

They already had access to those via the Ministorum War Conclave unit. I don't see what's changed.

 mmzero252 wrote:
Not sure how accurate it is, but apparently this is another rumor of what the formations are.

I hope they are. Some of those are really nice. Emperor's Hate and the Angelic Host sound great, the Penitent Host might actually be worth a look depending on what's meant by "charge from anywhere", the squadron option for Immolators... I'm not sure about that one, but the extra special rules are kinda nice. If it sorts their flimsiness issues even a little I can see it being very useful indeed, but I've never run vehicle squadrons so I don't know how that works.

Dat Wrath Squadron, though. I love my Rets to pieces and now I can not only take them without a Canoness tax, but they get Torrent as well? Yes please.

Hoping against hope this stuff is accurate.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Always good to remove options - oh wait its not. Kicking people when they are down is not especaily cool.

If even one quarter of mmzero's Formations are accurate, Sisters just got a lot punchier and far more flexible. Have a bibble about Celestine if you want, I'll be over here with my Torrenting Retributors and 5++ Seraphim.

According to the reviews of the book, including the Frontline gaming one I linked to - they are not true. The only one close is the bodyguard one.

Adepta Sororitas

The first of two big codices in this book. There is actually some cool stuff in this book, and one very sad thing which I will cover at the end. First off, I noticed that this section is almost a direct reprint of the Sisters of Battle 6th edition book. Which is cool, because I felt like that book was not a terrible base for a faction, and just needed a few more rules and units to really become viable at the competitive-casual level. In this section you will find a detachment that lets you take a single Ministorum priest, as well as a new detachment for the girls in armor called the “Vestal Task Force”. Which has the ability to give all units in the detachment the ability to reroll any saving throws of 1 once in a game. Awesome! You are forced to take a compulsory elite option, but it isn’t all that bad because GW gave the sisters access to Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders, and Arco-Flagellents. Other then one minor detail, this section is a copy of the Adepta Sororitas codex, with some updated verbage to make rules clearer.

So one small formation to help Inquisitor get at least an invulnerable and one to allow re-rolls of armour saves of 1 - once per game - all very depressing.

 Mr Morden wrote:
According to the reviews of the book, including the Frontline gaming one I linked to - they are not true. The only one close is the bodyguard one.

So one small formation to help Inquisitor get at least an invulnerable and one to allow re-rolls of armour saves of 1 - once per game - all very depressing.

This the review from the dude who thinks War Conclaves are a new addition? Not sure how much stock I'm putting in that, to be honest.

 BBAP wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
According to the reviews of the book, including the Frontline gaming one I linked to - they are not true. The only one close is the bodyguard one.

So one small formation to help Inquisitor get at least an invulnerable and one to allow re-rolls of armour saves of 1 - once per game - all very depressing.

This the review from the dude who thinks War Conclaves are a new addition? Not sure how much stock I'm putting in that, to be honest.

I think he was trying to be positive.

The other formations mentioned look awesome.............wishlisting - if it was a power dex codex then yeah absolutely, but its not.

Ok, the Cannoness seems to have popped back in stock in the Swedish webstore (it was sold out this morning), and I managed to snag one.

That was quick.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I think he was trying to be positive.

Having read it again I think you're right, but I don't see how gakky sawn-off Inquisitorial Warbands are a "positive".


... I'm not going to pre-order this. If it's just going to make it easier for deathstar players to take Priests I don't see the point in me buying it.

Canoness Veridyan back in stock in the UK too - just pre-ordered mine!

Back in stock and limited! Just got mine!

So for sisters players this codex is basically codex: battle sisters + some other stuff? Except its actually really just a supplement to the 6th edition digital dex? Except that we actually somehow manage to loose a unit while changing nothing else other than adding a decurion (maybe?) ?

I was ok with buying a new inquisition codex that had one or two units tacked on, but I can't support GW's treatment of sisters like that. They were on a roll lately but this seems like 5 steps back, wth GW?

 Roknar wrote:
So for sisters players this codex is basically codex: battle sisters + some other stuff? Except its actually really just a supplement to the 6th edition digital dex? Except that we actually somehow manage to loose a unit while changing nothing else other than adding a decurion (maybe?) ?

I was ok with buying a new inquisition codex that had one or two units tacked on, but I can't support GW's treatment of sisters like that. They were on a roll lately but this seems like 5 steps back, wth GW?

Suppose we should've expected this, if you think about it. They've released Wrath of Magnus and Traitor Legions in the last fortnight, which suggests these three books were in development at the same time. The first two appear to have received a great deal of attention. The third, maybe not so much.

Still hoping against hope there's a Rets-only Formation in the book, or indeed anything that isn't utter trash, but I'm not pre-ordering anything just in case.

Indeed which makes this so depressing:

Which is cool, because I felt like that book was not a terrible base for a faction, and just needed a few more rules and units to really become viable at the competitive-casual level.

And so that's exactly what appear not have done.

Going back to Death Cult Assassins - from reading other sites I think the CIA book has them as no faction that you can slot in which may be where he is confusing the "upgrade" to Sisters.

There are no Lords of War in the Imperial Agents book, right?

For those still hoping for a Jan/Feb sisters codex, we may have hope that Celestine Living Saint will appear as a Lord of War at that time.

Though, my take away from this is that even if Sisters get a new codex in 2 months, the rules will not be significantly different than the Digital/Imperial Agents. Which isn't bad.

I might only abuse the codex as a way to ally Dreadknights into my already existing and not jacked up Sisters list. If I don't buy the new codex I can't be told I need to use them under GW rules.

Aaaand gone again.

I don't get that "competitive-casual" thing at all. Mech Sisters had hard counters in Scatbike Eldar and Riptide/ Stormsurge Tau, or indeed anything else that could dismount them early, but pound for pound they were easily a match for most of the Gladius armies I see. A few more rules to patch up their reliance on vehicles and they could've been genuine contenders, I think.

But that's not what we appear to have gotten. I'll reserve judgement until I see the formations, but I'm not pre-ordering anything, not even the extra Immolators I promised myself if they ever came back into the store.

Then again, I won't be buying a new sister dex until the canoness gets a jump pack again, regardless of how good the rest of the dex is lol.

As the old saying goes, hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. Even I got a little bit excited that GW might have made something meaningful, but as always, they didn't.

I'm curious, does this book now replace the current E-Dex for SOB? Can you choose which to use? So much info that;s not out there that makes a huge difference on whether to pre-order this

 BBAP wrote:
They've released Wrath of Magnus and Traitor Legions in the last fortnight, which suggests these three books were in development at the same time. The first two appear to have received a great deal of attention. The third, maybe not so much.

I just can't figure out what the purpose of it is.

I mean it seems obvious: An allies book with a touch of bits of armies from here and there, so Marine/Guard/AdMech armies can add a little bit extra without having another army added on - just a squad or an HQ or whatever - and allow players to do what we see in the artwork all the time.

But the actual book doesn't appear to service that need. Why go to the trouble of putting this book together if it has seemly no miniature support. So much of the Inquisitorial line isn't on sale any more, and they're putting up ancient SoBs models that no one wants at ludicrous prices (AUD$180 for 10 Seraphim GW? AUD$140 for a regular SoB squad? $14 per model? Really?). And the fething Dreadknight's in it! Grr!

Unless... someone mentioned that there are no Servo-Skulls in the book. I can't seem to find any Servo-Skulls available for sale on the GW website.

Has no model/no rules struck again, and this book is clearing house on old stuff they don't sell any more?

It *seems* like the situation for sisters is:

As per the current codex with the following alterations:
- No Celestine
- The loss of the Ecclesiastical Conclave mini Inquisitorial retinue unit.
+ Squads of Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, and Flagellants in elites.
+ Two formations, one of which is for a whole army of sisters and allows once per game re-rolling of ones to save.

I'm rather non-plussed - we don't need three more close combat units with no real delivery system - and the loss of celestine is a blow.

However, the large formation could make up for this, but it will mean we loose access to the forge world flyers if we want to run that formation - to me the exact wording of that formation is the key to wither this is a worthwhile codex or a total bust.

It will also be interesting to know what the deal is with the other elements and how they ally. I assume peaple who want to run deathcults and crusaders will be still better off doing so with an inquisitor in a land raider as allies, then selecting them from the sisters list.

Hey hey HMBC and BBAP

Lets not be all negative.....

but seriously agreed - this whole thing smacks of a combination of disinterest from the rules side of things - but like Shield of Baal - lets write load so cool Sisters stuff, get some cool art and then the rules guys can have a field day.

Rules guys: nope.

I don't get why the whole thing is not Faction: Agents of the Imperium, would have solved lots of issues.

Commisar wrote:
It *seems* like the situation for sisters is:

As per the current codex with the following alterations:
- No Celestine
- The loss of the Ecclesiastical Conclave mini Inquisitorial retinue unit.
+ Squads of Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, and Flagellants in elites.
+ Two formations, one of which is for a whole army of sisters and allows once per game re-rolling of ones to save.

I'm rather non-plussed - we don't need three more close combat units with no real delivery system - and the loss of celestine is a blow.

However, the large formation could make up for this, but it will mean we loose access to the forge world flyers if we want to run that formation - to me the exact wording of that formation is the key to wither this is a worthwhile codex or a total bust.

It will also be interesting to know what the deal is with the other elements and how they ally. I assume peaple who want to run deathcults and crusaders will be still better off doing so with an inquisitor in a land raider as allies, then selecting them from the sisters list.

They have always had access to these so that leaves only 2 formations...

I'm going to stay positive until we get more info. Also, those formation details were from 4chan and almost certainly fake.

 BBAP wrote:

From where I'm sitting that's frigging hilarious.

I imagine a lot of things are.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Commisar wrote:
It *seems* like the situation for sisters is:

As per the current codex with the following alterations:
- No Celestine
- The loss of the Ecclesiastical Conclave mini Inquisitorial retinue unit.
+ Squads of Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, and Flagellants in elites.
+ Two formations, one of which is for a whole army of sisters and allows once per game re-rolling of ones to save.

I'm rather non-plussed - we don't need three more close combat units with no real delivery system - and the loss of celestine is a blow.

However, the large formation could make up for this, but it will mean we loose access to the forge world flyers if we want to run that formation - to me the exact wording of that formation is the key to wither this is a worthwhile codex or a total bust.

It will also be interesting to know what the deal is with the other elements and how they ally. I assume peaple who want to run deathcults and crusaders will be still better off doing so with an inquisitor in a land raider as allies, then selecting them from the sisters list.

They have always had access to these so that leaves only 2 formations...

Sort of, what we have at the moment is a non-FOC slot occupying battle conclave that can include a mixture of those three units and requires a priest to unlock.

My reading of the last leak posted leads me to beleave that that unit may be gone, and have been replaced with three new elites choices. Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco Flagellants. - the website said these could be used to forfill an elites requirement.

It's not really a good thing, but it does represent a material change if true.

Also, Atia responded to a question on her blog and said plastic sisters are coming with no timeline. I believe the only rumors we have about them with a timeline are from click bait now though.