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 Roknar wrote:

 BBAP wrote:


- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!

If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
It seems like a complete mess of a book right now. And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp. I thought we'd get a codex around february maybe, but now that this has the whole army, why would they go and make a new sisters codex or updated army rules now that this has them. And a decurion doesn't fix a footslogging hatred once a game canoness.

Over the past year they released the updated black legion and crimson slaughter rules, traitors hate which if im not mistaken also has the combined black legion and crimson slaughter rules, and then have wrath of magnus followed a week or two later by Traitor Legions book. GW is not afraid to shot gun blast out supplements and books with mass redundancy because GW's writing department is a cluster feth. No reason why GW couldn't and/or wouldn't do the same with a Sisters codex a few weeks/months after the Inq book.

MadCowCrazy wrote:Rending for one phase once per game... wow?

Up to three times per game IIRC with a Simulacrum and Uriah.

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Well Canoness Veridyan is already temporarily out of stock in the UK. The pre orders were actually up at around 9.55 UK time.

They were up at the same time in Germany and Veridyan is still available here, so if those don't get sold maybe they will be made available for others.

 Roknar wrote:
If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-

To be honest I was confusing them with Vendettas, thinking "hey, maybe it's not so bad after all because at least you get the lascannons" - but nope, you don't even get that.

Oh deary me.

And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp.

Starting to feel that way, although the old Codex doesn't seem to have been zapped yet so there's still some hope.

Some. Not much.


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 Vankraken wrote:
Over the past year they released the updated black legion and crimson slaughter rules, traitors hate which if im not mistaken also has the combined black legion and crimson slaughter rules, and then have wrath of magnus followed a week or two later by Traitor Legions book. GW is not afraid to shot gun blast out supplements and books with mass redundancy because GW's writing department is a cluster feth. No reason why GW couldn't and/or wouldn't do the same with a Sisters codex a few weeks/months after the Inq book.

I'm kinda thinking this myself now, and I'm also thinking they're keeping it under wraps because they want people to buy this book and nobody's going to do that if there's another Sisters Codex around the corner.

Wishful thinking, maybe?

 Vankraken wrote:

 Roknar wrote:

 BBAP wrote:


- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!

If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
It seems like a complete mess of a book right now. And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp. I thought we'd get a codex around february maybe, but now that this has the whole army, why would they go and make a new sisters codex or updated army rules now that this has them. And a decurion doesn't fix a footslogging hatred once a game canoness.

Over the past year they released the updated black legion and crimson slaughter rules, traitors hate which if im not mistaken also has the combined black legion and crimson slaughter rules, and then have wrath of magnus followed a week or two later by Traitor Legions book. GW is not afraid to shot gun blast out supplements and books with mass redundancy because GW's writing department is a cluster feth. No reason why GW couldn't and/or wouldn't do the same with a Sisters codex a few weeks/months after the Inq book.

Yea and they're full of copy & pasted content. They don't even bother to check if the copied content even still works with the rest of the book sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a sisters codex in february, that wasn't what I meant.
I meant that they wouldn't update anything for it. They put it into a codex here and I would expect them to copy that into it's own book with no changes to them army at all. It might include the new superheavy because they haven't added one here, but that's it.
It was ok for traitor legions since that is a supplement, but this here is an actual codex. They wouldn't be copying a handful of new units like the rubric marines. This was the the chance to get new rules, it didn't happen now and I don't see that happening for a soon to follow codex.

Embrace the bitterness of 40k. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no cause for hope in a better future.

Etc etc.

I'll continue to wait and see if the rumors of a sisters codex in February are correct or not. But what little hype was building up is pretty much demolished for me.

 Roknar wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see a sisters codex in february, that wasn't what I meant.
I meant that they wouldn't update anything for it. They put it into a codex here and I would expect them to copy that into it's own book with no changes to them army at all. It might include the new superheavy because they haven't added one here, but that's it.

And the bubble is burst again. I was thinking "hey, maybe it'll be all new rules and there'll be cool stuff" - but on reflection this seems like the most likely outcome.

It's either going to be a cut and paste hackjob, in which case it won't bring the army up to scratch, or it's going to be a whole new revamped army not two months after they sold us all a book containing the old army list, in which case it's a cynical money-grab. I don't like either of those.

EDIT: Is there anything else coming out in February or around that time? If not they might actually devote some resources to it next time around.

Cynical money grabs are very 40k.

 Vankraken wrote:

 Roknar wrote:

 BBAP wrote:


- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!

If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
It seems like a complete mess of a book right now. And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp. I thought we'd get a codex around february maybe, but now that this has the whole army, why would they go and make a new sisters codex or updated army rules now that this has them. And a decurion doesn't fix a footslogging hatred once a game canoness.

Over the past year they released the updated black legion and crimson slaughter rules, traitors hate which if im not mistaken also has the combined black legion and crimson slaughter rules, and then have wrath of magnus followed a week or two later by Traitor Legions book. GW is not afraid to shot gun blast out supplements and books with mass redundancy because GW's writing department is a cluster feth. No reason why GW couldn't and/or wouldn't do the same with a Sisters codex a few weeks/months after the Inq book.

Yet they refuse to update the CORE of the problem which is the 6th edition CSM book. To play some armies nowadays you need 6 books, that's not a great reason to keep pumping out these supplements with no consolidation.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Veterannoob: You don't know anything about the Canoness's rules do you?

She has the usual rules but can give her/her unit hatred in combat. A generic HQ, using art of old model. I'll get the new one.

So it's a 100 point load out? I was expecting more.

Went to order Canoness Veridyan but even though it says "pre-order", apparently she's not available. Combine that with what seems like another lackluster "copy/paste/delete" job on Sisters and I see 0 reason to plunk down any money on anything this release.

And you were doing so well GW.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Hey. I didn't drop the review here because I expected questions I probably shouldn't/couldn't answer and that would just be more frustrating. It's clearly obvious I revealed waaaaay too much last time and needed to make sure I don't lose my agreement with GW. May have scaled it back too much, dunno. Spent more time cutting than writing, actually. With TL I was nervous, then saw other reviews revealing even more, then nervous again, then people took and leaked actual pics so it didn't matter anymore. But yes, I had a conversation and to be fair, I understand where they're coming from. Still need some surprises for people who buy the book.

I'll watch other reviews this weekend and see what they say, but if this helps...these are not replacements for your dexes, they're just some options, especially if you have some models or want to field a fun small ally detachment or bespoke army. Not OP, imo, but the reserves rolls and psykers can be quite nice.

Thanks Vet - totally understand you position - its hard being kinda offical - thanks for all the info so far:

Any of the following would be helpful for many of us how are dismayed/ uncertain about what has been revealed:

Does the CIA Codex replace the Adepta Sorroitas Codex - importantly is this stated anywhere.
Do the Sister keep Shield of Fauth as a general rule across their army
Any word on the new Canoness statss
Any way for Inquisitors to use the various transport options in the CIA dex

thanks

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Celestine wasn't even good. I don't know what the complaint is.

If those formations I saw earlier are correct it does some fixing that you guys didn't really need, so you should be happy instead of griping.

Yes she was good, think about removing Tigerus, Farsight or Eldread etc and see what would have happened.

No they don;t exisit - if it was Eldar/Necron/Tau or Marine - they would have been. There are apparently two formations - one to give attached IC's shield of Faith and the other to allow a single re-roll of 1's on armour saves - hardly in keeping with the usual Codex boosts.

No, she wasn't good. At all. It is more on par with removing Sicaras or Trazyn. Yeah they're nice plot devices but they aren't used in the game at all.

"Coteaz lives! I can't share his rules though. I believe this is combining the Inq codex with other Imp Agents in here.

If you want to play the current SoB dex that seems standard. This is just an option for a small and larger detachment. To me, these mostly aren't stand-alone armies, unless it's a small game. "

If GW had put some effort into the sisters part of the Codex rather than making it worse than the current one I'd have dropped a pile on rebuying my sisters army. Looks like I can put that money to better use as GW have missed the goal on this one.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Embrace the bitterness of 40k. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no cause for hope in a better future.

Etc etc.

I'll continue to wait and see if the rumors of a sisters codex in February are correct or not. But what little hype was building up is pretty much demolished for me.

You spent days being adversarial to people bringing up rumors and made a point to respond to everyone about how you put no stock in rumors, now you're clinging to them because you dont like what was released.

I might remind you, I said the release would be exactly this and if they do get plastics next year it wont be more than a sisters squad to do plastics for this codex. It wasnt you specifically, but I got called a troll for it and shouted down by all the sisters players currently complaining about getting pretty much what I predicted.

So, not to say I told you so, but I told you so.

There was literally 0 point to this post. Screaming nani-nani booboo when something bad happens to someone else is what children do. You won, congratulations You're sooooooo super special-snowflake smart! Now go away.

 pretre wrote:
"[...] If you want to play the current SoB dex that seems standard. This is just an option for a small and larger detachment. To me, these mostly aren't stand-alone armies, unless it's a small game. "

That was my guess a few days ago. Looks like my prediction is holding strong.


edit: Just report the posts of the people that can't stay on topic and instead have to complain about the people who are actually staying on topic, and if it bothers you, put them on ignore. They're not worth responding to and they have nothing of value to add to Dakka, so it's really not worth giving them attention.

im pleased with this as it 1) a hardback version of sob rules 2) gives more utility for using them, esp as allies in a small game.

as this isnt an actual sob dex, loss of celestine not a biggie and suggests a new model ncoming next yr

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
No, she wasn't good. At all.

She was. Or rather, she **is**, considering the old Dex remains valid. I'd never take stuff out of an army to fit her in, but if I had the points spare and somewhere for her to be, I'd take her.

And I still can, because the old Dex isn't scupped by this new book. Which means the entirety of your initial reply was completely irrelevant.

ERJAK wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Embrace the bitterness of 40k. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no cause for hope in a better future.

Etc etc.

I'll continue to wait and see if the rumors of a sisters codex in February are correct or not. But what little hype was building up is pretty much demolished for me.

You spent days being adversarial to people bringing up rumors and made a point to respond to everyone about how you put no stock in rumors, now you're clinging to them because you dont like what was released.

I might remind you, I said the release would be exactly this and if they do get plastics next year it wont be more than a sisters squad to do plastics for this codex. It wasnt you specifically, but I got called a troll for it and shouted down by all the sisters players currently complaining about getting pretty much what I predicted.

So, not to say I told you so, but I told you so.

There was literally 0 point to this post. Screaming nani-nani booboo when something bad happens to someone else is what children do. You won, congratulations You're sooooooo super special-snowflake smart! Now go away.

Well I actually came here originally to discuss the Imperial Agent codex since Im interested in it, but nearly all the the conversation has been taken over by a handful of people complaining about what they didn't get.

You want to talk about children, there are plenty of them in this thread long before I got here.

This was never going to be a Sisters codex and acting like it was and taking over the thread to rant about it is pointless. Im hardly the first person here to point out how ridiculous it is.

VeteranNoob - any interesting fluff - anything new.

Is Valeria mentioned at all? I liked her. Any new Inqusitiors we have not heard of before? Any from the BL novels?

Unless I'm mistaken, people wishing to play a Sisters army must play by the list in Codex: Imperial Agents, correct? I couldn't find the Sisters eDex available for sale on GW's website, so that means a one-for-one replacement.

 the_Armyman wrote:
I couldn't find the Sisters eDex available for sale on GW's website, so that means a one-for-one replacement.

It's right here.

Still available for sale.

 Melissia wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
I couldn't find the Sisters eDex available for sale on GW's website, so that means a one-for-one replacement.

It's right here.

Still available for sale.

Ah, they have it listed under "Digital Products" but not under "Codexes". Thank you.

 Starfarer wrote:
This was never going to be a Sisters codex and acting like it was and taking over the thread to rant about it is pointless. Im hardly the first person here to point out how ridiculous it is.

We found out Sisters were going to be in this book weeks ago, and before that we had rumours of a Sisters refresh. Expecting this to have been an update for Sisters doesn't seem unreasonable given that information. It wasn't a Sisters Codex, but it was always going to be a Codex with Sisters in it, hence Sisters players are discussing it. The fact it's disappointing is likewise pertinent. Maybe if we'd listened to you, wise sage that you turned out to be in hindsight, we would've been disappointed earlier and could've gotten all this griping out the way - but why the feth would we listen to you? This is the first time I've seen your username pop up in this thread and I'm sick of you already. If you were this supercillious when making your initial predictions then it's small wonder nobody paid you any mind.

As for shouting over the thread - if you're aggrieved that you can't talk about the piffling Inquisitorial crap or the Arbites or whatever because of all the Sisters discussion, go and start a new thread about those sub-factions. See how long before it falls off the forums because nobody cares about that stuff. I don't think you are, though. I think you just want ass-pats for being "right". You can't have them. Go away.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So I haven't really been following this epically fast growing thread, does this mean we think we won't be getting plastic Sisters given they've just reboxed the existing metals and released a resin character model?

Pretty much. 10 Seraphim are $110 USD, where the unit used to be 5 models. Basic squad of 10 girls is now an even $80.00, up 50 cents from $79.50. OTOH, basic girls are $35 for 5 - a mere $7 each.

Interestingly, it doesn't specify material for Seraphim, where the regular squad is still spec'd as metal. Are Serpahim now "Finecast", and GW just not going to tell us? Inquiring minds want to know!

In any case, it's a darn good thing that I already own enough Sisters.

 BBAP wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
No, she wasn't good. At all.

She was. Or rather, she **is**, considering the old Dex remains valid. I'd never take stuff out of an army to fit her in, but if I had the points spare and somewhere for her to be, I'd take her.

And I still can, because the old Dex isn't scupped by this new book. Which means the entirety of your initial reply was completely irrelevant.

To make the army any good you don't want her. She's a lone target that wants to go into melee in an army that doesn't want to do that.

You got people saying Sisters aren't a good army when in fact they're at least middle tier and have the issues of being mono build and being expensive through GW.

So no changes to inquisitors and wargear besides the loss of servo skulls?

Anything new with legion of he damned? Sgt. centurions?

Your logic is deeply flawed. Just because a lot of Sisters units don't want to go in to melee doesn't mean EVERY sister unit has to stay out of melee. In fact, there's some real benefit to having a unit that wants to get stuck in melee to tie up an enemy unit, only to die and be reborn afterwards to do it again and again.

 Melissia wrote:
Your logic is deeply flawed. Just because a lot of Sisters units don't want to go in to melee doesn't mean EVERY sister unit has to stay out of melee. In fact, there's some real benefit to having a unit that wants to get stuck in melee to tie up an enemy unit, only to die and be reborn afterwards to do it again and again.

"...die and be reborn afterwards to do it AGAIN." Full stop. Once. She can do it only once. And half the crap you can engage with her that you want to tie up..just instant deaths her with S6+. She's horrible to use against anything but generic squads that you could just boltgun to death.

This thread...

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From this point forward, anyone who doesn't follow any of the above rules shall be warned and/or suspended.

 BBAP wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
This was never going to be a Sisters codex and acting like it was and taking over the thread to rant about it is pointless. Im hardly the first person here to point out how ridiculous it is.

We found out Sisters were going to be in this book weeks ago, and before that we had rumours of a Sisters refresh. Expecting this to have been an update for Sisters doesn't seem unreasonable given that information. It wasn't a Sisters Codex, but it was always going to be a Codex with Sisters in it, hence Sisters players are discussing it. The fact it's disappointing is likewise pertinent. Maybe if we'd listened to you, wise sage that you turned out to be in hindsight, we would've been disappointed earlier and could've gotten all this griping out the way - but why the feth would we listen to you? This is the first time I've seen your username pop up in this thread and I'm sick of you already. If you were this supercillious when making your initial predictions then it's small wonder nobody paid you any mind.

As for shouting over the thread - if you're aggrieved that you can't talk about the piffling Inquisitorial crap or the Arbites or whatever because of all the Sisters discussion, go and start a new thread about those sub-factions. See how long before it falls off the forums because nobody cares about that stuff. I don't think you are, though. I think you just want ass-pats for being "right". You can't have them. Go away.

Oh look, another Sisters player lashing out at anyone they can because they're so hellbent on playing the victim they can't get over the fact they play a neglected, largely irrelevant faction in a game. First you attacked all the Chaos players in this thread when it was a joint thread, and drove them off. Then you attacked anyone who told with what this codex would be, not because they had special insight, but because it was freaking common sense. With them driven off you attacked GSC players for having the audacity to get an update before you. Now you want to attack every other sub faction of the Imperium too.

Maybe the solution isn't for the rest of us to go form our own threads but to create a special thread for all 8 of you Sisters players here hellbent on being miserable. You can whine to your heart's content and not suck the life out of every other thread on this board that's not about you.