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Drider wrote:
If only they had moved the Pen Eng to elite. But yeah, speculating it looks like they may have done away with the No-Force-Org-Slot stuff and moved it into slots. although why do Acros, Crus, DCAs get a page each as well as the Battle Conclave getting a page, when in the 6E dex that all fell under one thing which was the Battle Conclave

It's because that unit was designed in a team effort by Matt Ward and Robin Cruddace, and thus has Captain Falcon levels of sheer destructive power. I once saw an Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave out-shoot a Riptide - despite the fact they have no ranged weapons. That's how good the Battle Conclave is. So good it seems to have become its own formation, which you can add to your existing Space Marine army to ensure you are never defeated in battle again!

ERJAK wrote:
It'd be funny if priests were now just regular HQs. Invalidate 20 pages worth of arguments.

It would be - except the only Priest I have is the Eviscerator-wielding dude from the old Coteaz Retinue boxed set. He looks like a skinny, elderly hobo wearing a potato sack and I refuse to paint him on principle. Meanwhile my BP/CCW Canoness is a centrepiece model I spent six hours painting because I didn't think my Sisters would ever end up being led by a bald alcoholic with a chainsaw.

To me the real bad thing about Celestine being gone is that it removes the center piece of a SoB collection. The idea of an Imperial Saint was great in terms of design (even if the rules weren't excellent). An army without a center piece like that is never going to attact new players or interest. Instead of producing a plastic canoness based on a oudated and frankly pretty horrible art piece (can you be anymore 1991 pinup than that), they would have been more wise to invest on a new model for Saint Celestine. Clearly, this is a big loss for the SoB. At this point they could simply have removed them from production instead of prolonging their agony.

Personally I used Celestine with hand flamer Seraphim as a way to clear blobs. 1 heavy flamer + 4 hand flamer templates (not to mention her volume of attacks on the charge) is one of the best ways to thin large units down quickly. Yes you can argue Dominions with Flamers or (Retributor with Heavy flamers) do the same thing but they lack the mobility of a jump unit. Celestine may not be great at killing dedicated murder machines but she can definitely purge heretics like a boss when used right.

Is she the beat thing ever? Probably not. But she was a reliable workhorse in an army that didn't have a lot of tools to remove large units quickly (a lack of pie plates means the only other option is concentrated bolter fire which frankly usually puts a unit in charge distance which leads to it being overrun by a blob unit easilly). There are replacement options but Dominions (pending potential AoF changes) waste their AoF as it currently only gives Ignores Cover for that build and are better used as an alpha striking melta gun unit to murder important things faster. Retributor fight too much with the awesome of the Exorcist which leaves Celestine and her retinue fitting into a neat little slot better than the other options do. So for those of uae who used her she'll be missed for the foreseeable future.

I doubt we will see any point reductions, or anything besides a copy paste. They didn't even allow LotD to be on the table turn one. Sisters are unscathed in comparison to instant auto lose.

Come on SoB tactical cards......

 dracpanzer wrote:
I doubt we will see any point reductions, or anything besides a copy paste. They didn't even allow LotD to be on the table turn one. Sisters are unscathed in comparison to instant auto lose.

Come on SoB tactical cards......

Wow this book has something to disappoint everyone! Tactical objectives are in the book, tactical cards are not being released with it so proabably won't be coming, welcome to sadness island brother!

Ouch so they have invalidated the e-codex and said this is The SoB codex.

Going to guess they will do the same to Inquisition as well, that sucks as you know your in trouble when your lumped in with SoB.

10 pages of something called Warriors of the Emperor. I'll bet you a cheese sandwich that's where Celestine is. I'm guessing that also includes Sisters of Silence and the Custodian Guard.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
10 pages of something called Warriors of the Emperor. I'll bet you a cheese sandwich that's where Celestine is. I'm guessing that also includes Sisters of Silence and the Custodian Guard.

More likely, that's the fluff section of the book. 1-2 pages of fluff for each of the armies. 10 pages... 9 armies.

Non sisters question here. Do the inquisitors still divide into the 3 Ordos with different war gear for each? I want to know if my venom talon conversion beamer Inquisitor is still valid?

They hinted at plastic sisters, and rumors said this was next year. All this codex is about is consolidating grey knights, sisters, deathwatch, and assassin's into one book for new army lists (before if you allied other forces you were limited to the allies cad or formations.

I'm guessing a new sisters codex will come next year as rumored, along with plastic sisters and a newly sculpted plastic celestine. All this was is a stock elimination tequnique foe the leftover metal sisters, before the release of the plastics.

Raging Heroes has their "Nuns with Guns" armies so I recommend people consider using those instead of paying the stupid prices GW wants for their metal models.

 Breotan wrote:
Raging Heroes has their "Nuns with Guns" armies so I recommend people consider using those instead of paying the stupid prices GW wants for their metal models.

Raging Heroes models (Other than not being yet available to non-Kickstarter orders) are the same price per model. Do what you want, I guess.
There are also Statuesque Models heads and Dreamforge Eisenkern conversions that look really good. Haven't priced them out, but expect them to run about the same once you've equipped them with bitz and weapons.
I've bought 30 Sisters over the last few months on secondary markets... I'm averaging about $6 per model. I'm expecting to see higher prices in the next few months... and maybe a crash after February. Who knows?

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
10 pages of something called Warriors of the Emperor. I'll bet you a cheese sandwich that's where Celestine is. I'm guessing that also includes Sisters of Silence and the Custodian Guard.

More likely, that's the fluff section of the book. 1-2 pages of fluff for each of the armies. 10 pages... 9 armies.

Look at the first section 'In the name of the Emperor'. Each of the listed sections is your two pages of fluff for each of the armies. In fact the chapters listed in the first section are in the same order the armies are listed in the book. Consider the possibility that first two pages are not general fluff, but specific to units that literally are the Emperors chosen. That would then fall in order as Warriors of the Emperor is also the first listing of armies, or really units that aren't part of an existing army, like the Guardians and Sisters of Silence. I could see Celestine being moved there as she really is no longer a Sister of Battle but a character granted Sainthood by the Emperor, becoming one of his chosen. This would then allow her to be fielded alone by any army, not just the Sisters. Lots of conjecture I know, but is seems more likely than they just squatted her.

ERJAK wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 sfshilo wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

Those are fake.

Jacobus is dog gak. For whoever that guy is. Unless you play blob sisters he's the exact same level of usefulness as a 25 point priest. Celestine was the only Sisters hq that was even close to worth her points. The canoness is exactly the same usefulness as a space marine sergeant and Jacobus needs 20 girls and 3 other priests to be useful.

Jacob has a 12 fearless/counter attack bubble for all friendly models and is a three wound priest with a ld 9 war hymn. He also increases the shield of faith to 5++....

So I have no clue what everyone is on about. I never use the saint, she instant deaths all the time and seraphim never want to be in cc....

THANK YOU. Celestine is bad and doesn't support the army nearly as much for the cost.

Celestine was fine, jacobus is very niche, a canoness is god-awful. Someone suggested 45 points, I'd still say that's about 20 too high. As for Jacobus he works really well in blob armies but is largely pointless in msu sisters because his aura doesn't work when he's in a transport. Celestine on the other hand can operate solo with careful use of LOS or hopscotch from squad to squad or attach to an allied CQC unit and give it H&R and fearless.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter though as you'll never take Celestine and I'll never take the other two, Imperial agents be damned.

The Cannoness opens up a Command Squad at least for more special weapon spam.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
10 pages of something called Warriors of the Emperor. I'll bet you a cheese sandwich that's where Celestine is. I'm guessing that also includes Sisters of Silence and the Custodian Guard.

More likely, that's the fluff section of the book. 1-2 pages of fluff for each of the armies. 10 pages... 9 armies.

Look at the first section 'In the name of the Emperor'. Each of the listed sections is your two pages of fluff for each of the armies. In fact the chapters listed in the first section are in the same order the armies are listed in the book. Consider the possibility that first two pages are not general fluff, but specific to units that literally are the Emperors chosen. That would then fall in order as Warriors of the Emperor is also the first listing of armies, or really units that aren't part of an existing army, like the Guardians and Sisters of Silence. I could see Celestine being moved there as she really is no longer a Sister of Battle but a character granted Sainthood by the Emperor, becoming one of his chosen. This would then allow her to be fielded alone by any army, not just the Sisters. Lots of conjecture I know, but is seems more likely than they just squatted her.

It is likely where they have the art.

 455_PWR wrote:
They hinted at plastic sisters, and rumors said this was next year. All this codex is about is consolidating grey knights, sisters, deathwatch, and assassin's into one book for new army lists (before if you allied other forces you were limited to the allies cad or formations.

I'm guessing a new sisters codex will come next year as rumored, along with plastic sisters and a newly sculpted plastic celestine. All this was is a stock elimination tequnique foe the leftover metal sisters, before the release of the plastics.

The reason I'm sceptical is I don't think GW typically do a stock elimination like this. They either leave things stagnant and let them sell out naturally OR in more recent times they've done the "Last Chance to Buy" stuff or WHFB's "End Times".

It'd be new levels of dodginess to encourage players to buy old models just before releasing replacements.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sisters just got their book printed. That's a good help.

THAT is a great point

For the first time since the White Dwarf Codex: SoB in 2011 (5th Ed) GW offers a translation of their rules again. The Inquisition and Legion of the Damned digital only books never got translated either. This may sound like a minor thing, but C: IA sold out (temporarily) in Germany within 24h, so interest and demand for a translation was definately there. Actually the amount of people being unable to play with english rules here is at least 50% if not much more due to players feeling it is too complicated. As a result Sisters of Battle weren't sold and played much during a quite long period. I cannot see this being different in France and Spain and other non-english countries. So people might feel GW is not offering much with this book, but it is cheaper than the other hardcover codices, comes with more pages than C:GSC for example, and unlike Angels of Death there are foreign editions of it too. The german White Dwarf Assassins rules were a much sought after product when the issue sold out - until Warzone Damocles offered them in a constantly available source. The disappointment regarding some rules decisions is understandable, but this book's release has its meaning.

So they Vect'd the Living Saint?
Well, that sucks. She was pretty cool.

SeanDrake wrote:
Ouch so they have invalidated the e-codex and said this is The SoB codex.

Going to guess they will do the same to Inquisition as well, that sucks as you know your in trouble when your lumped in with SoB.

Na not really. The old codex is still for sale. All this the living saint is gone, because the new book completely invalidates the old book stuff is only based on a single careless fb post of the customer service.
When has a book that they still sell ever been invalidated, the recent FAQ's even state that you can use data sheets of the old ones.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Non sisters question here. Do the inquisitors still divide into the 3 Ordos with different war gear for each? I want to know if my venom talon conversion beamer Inquisitor is still valid?

looking at the content page, I would think they still do. Seeing how they still have the inquisitors from each of the 3 main Ordos

For anyone that may have seen pics of models from the book, are Sisters shown on 32mm bases now?

Bols just released some more Sisters info. here -> http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/12/codex-imperial-agents-sororitas-detachments.html

I will buy plastic SoB just because. I won't buy 80€ squads just because I always kinda wanted SoBs. Just...the HB gal. Ine day.

This release also made me wamt some LatD, they were im one of (THE?) first WD I ever had. I suck at painting the blue-ish black armour though.

Ok, so I only noticed this thread this morning, and have skimmed to try and catch up.

So, to clarify:

New book 'Imperial Agents' (not 'Imperialis Agentiuminuimin" thank god) coming out on the 17th of Dec. Available in stores and online (pre-orders already up).
$70 in Aus, has rules for multiple 'Imperial' sub-factions, including (almost) all of the SoB rules that are largely unchanged from the digital dex. So far Saints/Celestine conspiciously absent .

Single new SoB model also comming out on the 17th in stores. Online pre-orders already live & already sold out. Stores to only have a limited number on the 17th. $40 Aus.

Is that the basics of it?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

I am alone in my dedication to the wondertastic Andrea Uderzo sisters. I shall weep a lone, very manly tear that will trickle from my manly eye down to my manly jaw. .

Not completely alone. #solidarity

 oldzoggy wrote:
Bols just released some more Sisters info. here -> http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/12/codex-imperial-agents-sororitas-detachments.html

Spoiler:

Thanks for the info - so minor formation benefit which is ok.

Do we know if the Ministorum Detachment can be any Elite from the CIA codex or just any elite? Re read it so just AS Elites - seems a bit pointless as they almost all have Invuln saves?

Assassin has Adepta Sororitas faction not generic.

New book 'Imperial Agents' (not 'Imperialis Agentiuminuimin" thank god) coming out on the 17th of Dec. Available in stores and online (pre-orders already up).
$70 in Aus, has rules for multiple 'Imperial' sub-factions, including (almost) all of the SoB rules that are largely unchanged from the digital dex. So far Saints/Celestine conspicuously absent .

Single new SoB model also coming out on the 17th in stores. Online pre-orders already live & already sold out. Stores to only have a limited number on the 17th. $40 Aus.

Is that the basics of it?

Mostly - single new resin SOB model - was in stores now direct only.

Other important elements are that it appears that almost units retain their normal faction so no using transports from other units in the Codex - like say the navy Valkyrie flyers or the Deathwatch flyer cos apparently the Inquisition can't just commandeer them - oh right yeah they can.

That detachment is "OK" I like that it is wordered in such as way as to still allow you to take the Avenger Strike Fighter and other forge world goodies.

Seems like priests might be actual HQ slot taking up HQ's now. So I see a lot of double FOC sisters of battle armies in the future.

Need to see that Battle Conclave entry from P 77 to see if we can still build mixed squads of crusaders and DCA's


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Oh, I suspect that command squads will suck up an elites slot based on were they sit in the index.

Just another small change.

Trying to work out what units that would actually benefit from the Min Detachment as its only As Elites? Only those without Invuln. Is that just arco flagerents?

YAY!!! SISTERS GOT A HUGE BUFF!!! Act of Faith now lasts until the end of the TURN!! instead of phase....

Still pretty much useless and points costs are still too high for what you get and taking more sisters in the unit is completely useless as all you get are extra wounds.

Why would I take a squad of 20 Battle Sisters (19 + Superior) if all I can give them is 2 Special Weapons (Storm Bolter, Flamer or Melta) or 1 Special and 1 Heavy (Heavy Boilter/Flamer or Multi-Melta).

WHY ISN'T IT PER 5 MODELS?! If I could have 8 special or 4/4 Special/Heavy in a unit then that would be interesting but 2 or 1/1?
If they are to cost 12pts per model which is 3-4pts more than they should be for what you get at least give them some sort of unique benefit, they only have bolters, flamers and melta so why can't they simply take more of them.

Remove the 6++ and lower the points cost by 4pts per model and they'd still be bad. Bah, time to write another letter to GW and try to explain how borderline slowed these pts and options are.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
YAY!!! SISTERS GOT A HUGE BUFF!!! Act of Faith now lasts until the end of the TURN!! instead of phase....

Still pretty much useless and points costs are still too high for what you get and taking more sisters in the unit is completely useless as all you get are extra wounds.

Why would I take a squad of 20 Battle Sisters (19 + Superior) if all I can give them is 2 Special Weapons (Storm Bolter, Flamer or Melta) or 1 Special and 1 Heavy (Heavy Boilter/Flamer or Multi-Melta).

WHY ISN'T IT PER 5 MODELS?! If I could have 8 special or 4/4 Special/Heavy in a unit then that would be interesting but 2 or 1/1?

Remove the 6++ and lower the points cost by 4pts per model and they'd still be bad. Bah, time to write another letter to GW and try to explain how borderline slowed these pts and options are.

Bet hey FAQ that of Faith - otherwise might look like the gave the Soroitas some actual benefit.

Hey wow a re-roll of 1's on saves - but you need to take an elite slot - cos they are all awesome

I will be writing too for what good it will do.

But hey you can now stick as many allied priests in your space marine army as you care to.