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Loopstah wrote:

BakAG wrote:

Loopstah wrote:

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

You mean the fake formations from 4chan?

Those were fake? Didnt know that...
He has them in his compilation. I mean these ones:

Yep, totally fake, seeing as we've had pictures of the contents page and none of them are mentioned anywhere.

Ok my bad sorry for that....

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
1. Whose armor was she ignoring that was important? Anything fast that wants to be in melee will at minimum have a 4++ or 2+. Or will ID her that round.

Scatbikes, Warp Spiders, Marines, Librarians, Rune Priests, Patriarchs, Claw-Morphs (pretty big deal that she gets to strike first here).... etc etc.

2. She gets up once. Big whoop.

One time more than any other character in 40k.

3. She's terrible for the cost because as a whole she does nothing that isn't done better by allies (which really is tarpitting) or just not including her at all so that way you can spam troops and Exorcists.

Gonna repost what I said in my original reply. Maybe you'll read it this time.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.

If you're removing Troops or Exorcists to include her, you're doing it wrong.

1. Scatterbikes ID her and have an effective 48" range. I wanted to stop reading there because you listed her as a counter to them for whatever reason.

She's nit fast enough to catch Warp Spiders (they're the same speed except Spiders can run and ID her too!), and Rune Priests get 2+ if you pay for it. Librarians fish for invisibility. Also with experimenting with Cults they don't have any armor anyway for the most part.

Like, seriously, she's not a counter to any of these. None of them are afraid of her, especially the Marines hiding in their transport.

2. Huron and Yarrick do it, one of them striking at I5 AP2 with Shred (and forcing rerolls of successful invulnerable saves), and the other having EW.

3. I read it and I'm saying you should ignore her in the first place. Anything going out of the way to include her is bad list writing. You have Jacobus, or the Cannoness to equip Combi-Weapons on (or just hide her somewhere to avoid giving up STW. Nobody will judge you on that).

So her entry being removed is not problematic whatsoever.

Its not problematic to YOU - Perhaps you should consider that other people feel differently - for once - just once in your life,

Seriously - They have remvoed the signature character in the codex in exchnage for Sweet FA - when they are handing out candy to very other recent codex in the shape ofr formations, new rules and the like - why exactly is this situtation beyond your udnerdtanding. Something is LOST - its not a win.

Even if you in your almighty wisdon did not want to use her others did - and now they can;t - so its a LOSS - Do you get it? and Yes I AM pissed off with the situation and you trolling is not helping

A character was removed, but not a good one.

Now, if Jacobus was removed I'd understand complaints

Read my Fething post and try and have some kind of understanding for other people that might have differnt opinions and wnats - or is that beyond you? Seriously waht the hell is wrong with you

A character is gone - YES or NO - An option has been remvoed - YES or NO Thats a bad thing - DO YOU GET IT - I am going to bed before you make me really angry

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
1. Whose armor was she ignoring that was important? Anything fast that wants to be in melee will at minimum have a 4++ or 2+. Or will ID her that round.

Scatbikes, Warp Spiders, Marines, Librarians, Rune Priests, Patriarchs, Claw-Morphs (pretty big deal that she gets to strike first here).... etc etc.

2. She gets up once. Big whoop.

One time more than any other character in 40k.

3. She's terrible for the cost because as a whole she does nothing that isn't done better by allies (which really is tarpitting) or just not including her at all so that way you can spam troops and Exorcists.

Gonna repost what I said in my original reply. Maybe you'll read it this time.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.

If you're removing Troops or Exorcists to include her, you're doing it wrong.

A character was removed, but not a good one.

Now, if Jacobus was removed I'd understand complaints

Read my Fething post and try and have some kind of understanding for other people that might have differnt opinions and wnats - or is that beyond you? Seriously waht the hell is wrong with you

Part of it is that he clearly has no idea how to play sister's of battle. Jacobus is even more nich than the Canoness. If he had been axed it would have been months before I even noticed.

VN said he'll find out monday if he can post images of the page introducing the Datasheets. Hopefully that can clear up whether units in this book are also considered Faction: Imperial Agents along with their normal factions.

I think some of those 4chan formations are the SoB apocalypse ones.....

Part of me is wondering how I can convert my two new Canoness models when they show up.

First thought:
Maybe left hand gets an eviscerator, right hand a scout shotgun as a new to me SoB version of Uriah Jacobus?

Second thought:
Take off the power sword and give her a power shield thingie to run as a plain jane Mantle of Ophelia.

Third thought:
I wonder if Celestine is the price I have to pay to get some Sororitas Tactical Cards. I guess I hoped too much.

ERJAK wrote:

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

Those are fake.

Jacobus is dog gak. For whoever that guy is. Unless you play blob sisters he's the exact same level of usefulness as a 25 point priest. Celestine was the only Sisters hq that was even close to worth her points. The canoness is exactly the same usefulness as a space marine sergeant and Jacobus needs 20 girls and 3 other priests to be useful.

Jacob has a 12 fearless/counter attack bubble for all friendly models and is a three wound priest with a ld 9 war hymn. He also increases the shield of faith to 5++....

So I have no clue what everyone is on about. I never use the saint, she instant deaths all the time and seraphim never want to be in cc....

ShaneMarsh wrote:
VN said he'll find out monday if he can post images of the page introducing the Datasheets. Hopefully that can clear up whether units in this book are also considered Faction: Imperial Agents along with their normal factions.

That's not gonna help Sisters players any. We already had the best transports in that whole book (maybe the valk but flyers aren't great in general so...) and there's really nothing we can add that we couldn't have gotten a superior version of through allies.

Inquisition players might get something out of this book but I can't see grey knights, deathwatch, cult mech, sisters, or the psykana getting anything worth talking about.

Sisters just got their book printed. That's a good help.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sisters just got their book printed. That's a good help.

THAT is a great point

Seriously, even if the Sororitas don't get anything new, at least their rules are finally in print.

 adamsouza wrote:
Seriously, even if the Sororitas don't get anything new, at least their rules are finally in print.

I mean, thats something, except i had printed off my E-book years ago, so it does nothing for me.

 sfshilo wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

Those are fake.

Jacobus is dog gak. For whoever that guy is. Unless you play blob sisters he's the exact same level of usefulness as a 25 point priest. Celestine was the only Sisters hq that was even close to worth her points. The canoness is exactly the same usefulness as a space marine sergeant and Jacobus needs 20 girls and 3 other priests to be useful.

Jacob has a 12 fearless/counter attack bubble for all friendly models and is a three wound priest with a ld 9 war hymn. He also increases the shield of faith to 5++....

So I have no clue what everyone is on about. I never use the saint, she instant deaths all the time and seraphim never want to be in cc....

So counter attack is worthless for sister units smaller than 20, who gives a gak what his ld is when there's a relic that lets the priest auto pass. 5++ only matters on large units. Also he's T3, he has 1 wound I don't care what his profile says.

The fearless is useful but considering he's 100 pts and has nothing to offer but that bubble, which doesn't work if he's in a vehicle so he's not worth it for armies that are transport heavy. Celestine, while easy to ID, is excellent for any kind of allies you can take and can be used by a clever player to get in underneath an opponents notice and make some noise. Jacobus is an underwhelmng buffer.

You never bothered with Celestine, I never bothered with Jacobus. I wouldn't have cared at all if Jacobus went out, you clearly don't care that Celestine did. GW gave you this one on a platter so go away now and stop antagonising people who liked Celestine.


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 VeteranNoob wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sisters just got their book printed. That's a good help.

THAT is a great point

No it's not. 1. print rules aren't better than online rules so long as you have some kind of device you can read them on. 2. This isn't a Sisters book. This is some other guy's book they shoved sisters into because Sisters are second class citizens of the imperium and don't even deserve special charactera apparently.

 Grimmor wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Seriously, even if the Sororitas don't get anything new, at least their rules are finally in print.

I mean, thats something, except i had printed off my E-book years ago, so it does nothing for me.

I'm willing to bet that "revised and updated" means we changed some point costs and weapons options so make the newest rule set more attractive.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Grimmor wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Seriously, even if the Sororitas don't get anything new, at least their rules are finally in print.

I mean, thats something, except i had printed off my E-book years ago, so it does nothing for me.

I'm willing to bet that "revised and updated" means we changed some point costs and weapons options so make the newest rule set more attractive.

They can't change weapon options without new models. As for new point costs doubtful, no one in any of the reviews have mentioned it, but I suppose it's possible.

It'd have to be 5-10 ppm to make any real difference though.

 sfshilo wrote:
So I have no clue what everyone is on about.

Me either. Everyone's telling me one 3-wound T3 CC model is better than another 3-wound T3 CC model with better wargear that comes back to life when killed.

Jacobus' Fearless bubble allows people to lock your units in close combat, which is where Sisters die fastest, and unlike Celestine he can't kill anything with his little noodle-armed I4 chainsword. I can't see him being useful even for footsloggers.

she instant deaths all the time

I've never seen it happen. It could, if you charge her at the wrong thing or someone's firing lots of S6 at her unit and kicks a wound past her 2+/4++, but if they're shooting that at Celestine they're not shooting it at your transports. Sounds good to me.

Still, I've never seen her IDed any of the times I've seen her in play. Jacobus has a much higher chance to get plonked in one hit and doesn't get back up, but that's okay because he's an Ld9 Priest. I guess.

and seraphim never want to be in cc....

Charge them at the right thing with Celestine hitting at I7 and they don't mind.

Or didn't, since Celestine's gone now.

For the sake of clarity - I'd never take either of them as a first-choice HQ, but I can see more mileage in Celestine than Jacobus.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'm willing to bet that "revised and updated" means we changed some point costs and weapons options so make the newest rule set more attractive.

I'll take that bet. I reckon they're copy-pasted from the old book.

Except for the unmitigated destructiveness that is the Ecclesiarchal Battle Conclave, which I can now add to my Fists of Medusa deathstar army to pick up Smashfether's slack. Maybe I'll stick Jacobus in there, make it extra-awesome.

I would be happy with a two point reduction throughout and a point reduction on our transports... Losing Celestine sucks but since I don't play tournaments I'm sure my friends will allow me to still use her... Am I dissatisfied with the new codex absolutely, however with the apparent success of the resin model maybe gw will realize that the demand is there and give us our plastic sister's and maybe some SC's with data slates in the box


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Oh also Celestines 12 inch LD bubble in a pure sisters army is in my opinion more useful than Jacobus fearless... Because I don't have to take Sergeants on my front lines to pas aof

2ppm wouldn't be bad (nearly enough to stick another Immo-mounted squad in at 1850), but I don't see the vehicles coming down in cost. if they drop the Canoness back to 45pts like she used to be, that would be nice.

Me, I think the 10-model minimum for BSS will be back and everything else will remain unchanged.

God that would suck if 10 bss minimum returns...

 sfshilo wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

Those are fake.

Jacobus is dog gak. For whoever that guy is. Unless you play blob sisters he's the exact same level of usefulness as a 25 point priest. Celestine was the only Sisters hq that was even close to worth her points. The canoness is exactly the same usefulness as a space marine sergeant and Jacobus needs 20 girls and 3 other priests to be useful.

Jacob has a 12 fearless/counter attack bubble for all friendly models and is a three wound priest with a ld 9 war hymn. He also increases the shield of faith to 5++....

So I have no clue what everyone is on about. I never use the saint, she instant deaths all the time and seraphim never want to be in cc....

THANK YOU. Celestine is bad and doesn't support the army nearly as much for the cost.

ERJAK wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sisters just got their book printed. That's a good help.

THAT is a great point

No it's not. 1. print rules aren't better than online rules so long as you have some kind of device you can read them on. 2. This isn't a Sisters book. This is some other guy's book they shoved sisters into because Sisters are second class citizens of the imperium and don't even deserve special charactera apparently.

Yes it is.
1. Print is better because you don't need a device.
2. It is the only Sisters book you're going to get.
Yes, Sisters are the proverbial red-headed stepchild, and don't even deserve to be in production at all, but GW said they wouldn't squat anything, so here we are.

Really, for a current, supported army (and make no mistake, Sisters *are* a current, supported army), you have no vaild basis for complaint whatsoever.

When Sisters finally get Squatted, then you can talk.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 sfshilo wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

Those are fake.

Jacobus is dog gak. For whoever that guy is. Unless you play blob sisters he's the exact same level of usefulness as a 25 point priest. Celestine was the only Sisters hq that was even close to worth her points. The canoness is exactly the same usefulness as a space marine sergeant and Jacobus needs 20 girls and 3 other priests to be useful.

Jacob has a 12 fearless/counter attack bubble for all friendly models and is a three wound priest with a ld 9 war hymn. He also increases the shield of faith to 5++....

So I have no clue what everyone is on about. I never use the saint, she instant deaths all the time and seraphim never want to be in cc....

THANK YOU. Celestine is bad and doesn't support the army nearly as much for the cost.

Celestine was fine, jacobus is very niche, a canoness is god-awful. Someone suggested 45 points, I'd still say that's about 20 too high. As for Jacobus he works really well in blob armies but is largely pointless in msu sisters because his aura doesn't work when he's in a transport. Celestine on the other hand can operate solo with careful use of LOS or hopscotch from squad to squad or attach to an allied CQC unit and give it H&R and fearless.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter though as you'll never take Celestine and I'll never take the other two, Imperial agents be damned.

ERJAK wrote:
At the end of the day it doesn't matter though as you'll never take Celestine and I'll never take the other two, Imperial agents be damned.

That can be the last word on the gakky HQ choices. Also if an Inquisitor is worth 25pts, the Canoness is at least 35, considering she has WS/BS5 and power armour. She also gets AoF, which would probably be worth 45pts if her AoF wasn't stupid.

Wereaardvark wrote:
God that would suck if 10 bss minimum returns...

Yeah, it'll be a major nerf. That's why I think it'll happen.

 BBAP wrote:

Yeah, it'll be a major nerf. That's why I think it'll happen.

Ever the optimist.


At this point the only hopes I have left are; a points reduction for units and/or wargear, a force org slot rework for a couple of units.

Drider wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

Yeah, it'll be a major nerf. That's why I think it'll happen.

Ever the optimist.


At this point the only hopes I have left are; a points reduction for units and/or wargear, a force org slot rework for a couple of units.

The index is roughly in order of HQ-Elite-Troops-FA-HS and by the look of it it's almost exactly the same. The only change looks to be sororitas command squad going to elites(yay...).

Drider wrote:
Ever the optimist.


At this point the only hopes I have left are; a points reduction for units and/or wargear, a force org slot rework for a couple of units.

Any optimism I had has been squished by the announcement that this Codex replaces the old, shoddy but workable one, because aside from the 5th to 6th transition no SoB update has ever buffed them. I hope I'm wrong, though.

What units are you thinking for FOC reworkings? I'd quite like to see Penitengines become Elite slot MCs. You could make space by moving the Repentia from "Elites" to "Recycle Bin".

If only they had moved the Pen Eng to elite. But yeah, speculating it looks like they may have done away with the No-Force-Org-Slot stuff and moved it into slots. although why do Acros, Crus, DCAs get a page each as well as the Battle Conclave getting a page, when in the 6E dex that all fell under one thing which was the Battle Conclave

Drider wrote:
If only they had moved the Pen Eng to elite. But yeah, speculating it looks like they may have done away with the No-Force-Org-Slot stuff and moved it into slots. although why do Acros, Crus, DCAs get a page each as well as the Battle Conclave getting a page, when in the 6E dex that all fell under one thing which was the Battle Conclave

It'd be funny if priests were now just regular HQs. Invalidate 20 pages worth of arguments. Also the battle conclave is a formation now.

I was thinking the same thing only more along the lines of that means at max 2 per cad meaning no more priest spamming your blob squad.

To borrow a turn of phrase. "Yeah, it'll be a major nerf. That's why I think it'll happen."

Drider wrote:
I was thinking the same thing only more along the lines of that means at max 2 per cad meaning no more priest spamming your blob squad.

To borrow a turn of phrase. "Yeah, it'll be a major nerf. That's why I think it'll happen."

Flipside, double CAD mech would be quite a bit better.