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From VN on Bolter:

"The GW guy (only one opinion, of course) agrees that factions can't start on other transports ), like a SW and BA for example, so unless the sheets in this book give the option it isn't there. I'm more affirmed of thinking of this as a create your RPG force in lots of situations, but that's just me. smile.png I'll add the admech guy on. Try a DW squad maybe one day. But no reason why you can't play your current codex if you prefer.

But I see the GW 40K FB page. So, who knows. I guess we will soon."

 adamsouza wrote:
The rules are "revised and updated". Can we at least get a few rules leaks before we declare units unusable ?

The fact there are no rules leaks pretty much guarantees most of the codex is unusable, otherwise we'd know everything about it like we did WoM or TL. It's almost like there's a massive cover-up going on as GW hope people will be too lazy to cancel the pre-orders they made, once they find out how bad this book is.

ERJAK wrote:
There's no reason for space marines to take the conclave. 90% of the C:SM is more point efficient already.

The point is they **can** if they want to, because it's all about Space Marines players getting new toys and supplements in place of a functional Codex.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
So you couldn't do that with any other imperial army?

You could, but nobody cares what you do with your Astral Vomitarium army, least of all GW.

So Celstine is gone. I don't care

Duly noted.

I liked Praxedes and Helena

So did I. Would've been nice to see them both brought back, Praxedes especially. Instead of doing that, they slotted the only Sororitas named character. Whether or not you liked Celestine, that feels like a kick in the sourdough.

Nevermind though, eh? We've still got Uriah Jacobus, Defender of The Faith! Nothing screams "righteous fury" like a homeless drunkard with a double-barelled four wood and a flag!

REally excited about the new assasins codex imperial agents. does anyone no if it update for new rules or not?

Also what is a sisters of battle? Is that a new army?

From "warfo":

What a gak show. No wonder they told vetnoob off after TL, they knew this book would be crap and couldn't risk people knowing that fact 100% in advance. They're relying on optimism to shift units.

 BBAP wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
No she wasn't even good at that. She's stuck at AP3

So only ignores 80% of the armour in the game, instead of 100%.

and doesn't have EW.

Didn't need it either because she comes back to life when she dies.

I can't believe people in here are actually defending her rules.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.


Moot now anyway. She had to go so Space Marines players could have a Battle Conclave.

1. Whose armor was she ignoring that was important? Anything fast that wants to be in melee will at minimum have a 4++ or 2+. Or will ID her that round.
2. She gets up once. Big whoop.
3. She's terrible for the cost because as a whole she does nothing that isn't done better by allies (which really is tarpitting) or just not including her at all so that way you can spam troops and Exorcists.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
1. Whose armor was she ignoring that was important? Anything fast that wants to be in melee will at minimum have a 4++ or 2+. Or will ID her that round.

Scatbikes, Warp Spiders, Marines, Librarians, Rune Priests, Patriarchs, Claw-Morphs (pretty big deal that she gets to strike first here).... etc etc.

2. She gets up once. Big whoop.

One time more than any other character in 40k.

3. She's terrible for the cost because as a whole she does nothing that isn't done better by allies (which really is tarpitting) or just not including her at all so that way you can spam troops and Exorcists.

Gonna repost what I said in my original reply. Maybe you'll read it this time.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.

If you're removing Troops or Exorcists to include her, you're doing it wrong.

ERJAK wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
At least you can add in a fething Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave to your existing Space Marine army as allies!
... what do you mean you don't have an existing Space Marine army?

So you couldn't do that with any other imperial army?

So Celstine is gone. I don't care (her even more silly BA cousin should be the next). I liked Praxedes and Helena - the (now immortal) Living Saint not so much. The model was nice though (would have been better without the dove and the flowers).

Celestine being gone means SoB don't have anything useable in the HQ or Elites slot and also makes 1 of their Fast attack slots dam near pointless.

Sure. But that should not have been the job for a (very!) special character from the start (same with the also once dead Uriah Jacobus).

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
At least you can add in a fething Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave to your existing Space Marine army as allies!
... what do you mean you don't have an existing Space Marine army?

So you couldn't do that with any other imperial army?

So Celstine is gone. I don't care (her even more silly BA cousin should be the next). I liked Praxedes and Helena - the (now immortal) Living Saint not so much. The model was nice though (would have been better without the dove and the flowers).

Celestine being gone means SoB don't have anything useable in the HQ or Elites slot and also makes 1 of their Fast attack slots dam near pointless.

Sure. But that should not have been the job for a (very!) special character from the start (same with the also once dead Uriah Jacobus).

I don't get your point. What does her being a special character have to do with anything?

The only reason they would exclude her from the book is because they're setting her up to be a LoW.

The sky isn't falling people.

 deviantduck wrote:
The only reason they would exclude her from the book is because they're setting her up to be a LoW.

The sky isn't falling people.

If she becomes a LoW i expect her to have EW then.

ERJAK wrote:
What a gak show. No wonder they told vetnoob off after TL, they knew this book would be crap and couldn't risk people knowing that fact 100% in advance. They're relying on optimism to shift units.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason...

 BBAP wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
1. Whose armor was she ignoring that was important? Anything fast that wants to be in melee will at minimum have a 4++ or 2+. Or will ID her that round.

Scatbikes, Warp Spiders, Marines, Librarians, Rune Priests, Patriarchs, Claw-Morphs (pretty big deal that she gets to strike first here).... etc etc.

2. She gets up once. Big whoop.

One time more than any other character in 40k.

3. She's terrible for the cost because as a whole she does nothing that isn't done better by allies (which really is tarpitting) or just not including her at all so that way you can spam troops and Exorcists.

Gonna repost what I said in my original reply. Maybe you'll read it this time.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.

If you're removing Troops or Exorcists to include her, you're doing it wrong.

1. Scatterbikes ID her and have an effective 48" range. I wanted to stop reading there because you listed her as a counter to them for whatever reason.

She's nit fast enough to catch Warp Spiders (they're the same speed except Spiders can run and ID her too!), and Rune Priests get 2+ if you pay for it. Librarians fish for invisibility. Also with experimenting with Cults they don't have any armor anyway for the most part.

Like, seriously, she's not a counter to any of these. None of them are afraid of her, especially the Marines hiding in their transport.

2. Huron and Yarrick do it, one of them striking at I5 AP2 with Shred (and forcing rerolls of successful invulnerable saves), and the other having EW.

3. I read it and I'm saying you should ignore her in the first place. Anything going out of the way to include her is bad list writing. You have Jacobus, or the Cannoness to equip Combi-Weapons on (or just hide her somewhere to avoid giving up STW. Nobody will judge you on that).

So her entry being removed is not problematic whatsoever.

 deviantduck wrote:
The only reason they would exclude her from the book is because they're setting her up to be a LoW.

The sky isn't falling people.

Or because the mold wore out and they couldn't be bothered to make a new one.

If you're bringing a canoness in an army, that's bad list building, guy one comment above this one. The canoness is sooooo bad that Her->celestine is the single biggest upgrade 70 points can get you in the sisters book. 0->5 battle sisters with a meltagun isn't as big of a swing.

At least celestine had the potential to be useful if you played her carefully, a canoness never is.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
1. Whose armor was she ignoring that was important? Anything fast that wants to be in melee will at minimum have a 4++ or 2+. Or will ID her that round.

Scatbikes, Warp Spiders, Marines, Librarians, Rune Priests, Patriarchs, Claw-Morphs (pretty big deal that she gets to strike first here).... etc etc.

2. She gets up once. Big whoop.

One time more than any other character in 40k.

3. She's terrible for the cost because as a whole she does nothing that isn't done better by allies (which really is tarpitting) or just not including her at all so that way you can spam troops and Exorcists.

Gonna repost what I said in my original reply. Maybe you'll read it this time.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.

If you're removing Troops or Exorcists to include her, you're doing it wrong.

1. Scatterbikes ID her and have an effective 48" range. I wanted to stop reading there because you listed her as a counter to them for whatever reason.

She's nit fast enough to catch Warp Spiders (they're the same speed except Spiders can run and ID her too!), and Rune Priests get 2+ if you pay for it. Librarians fish for invisibility. Also with experimenting with Cults they don't have any armor anyway for the most part.

Like, seriously, she's not a counter to any of these. None of them are afraid of her, especially the Marines hiding in their transport.

2. Huron and Yarrick do it, one of them striking at I5 AP2 with Shred (and forcing rerolls of successful invulnerable saves), and the other having EW.

3. I read it and I'm saying you should ignore her in the first place. Anything going out of the way to include her is bad list writing. You have Jacobus, or the Cannoness to equip Combi-Weapons on (or just hide her somewhere to avoid giving up STW. Nobody will judge you on that).

So her entry being removed is not problematic whatsoever.

Its not problematic to YOU - Perhaps you should consider that other people feel differently - for once - just once in your life,

Seriously - They have remvoed the signature character in the codex in exchnage for Sweet FA - when they are handing out candy to very other recent codex in the shape ofr formations, new rules and the like - why exactly is this situtation beyond your udnerdtanding. Something is LOST - its not a win.

Even if you in your almighty wisdon did not want to use her others did - and now they can;t - so its a LOSS - Do you get it? and Yes I AM pissed off with the situation and you trolling is not helping

ERJAK wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
At least you can add in a fething Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave to your existing Space Marine army as allies!
... what do you mean you don't have an existing Space Marine army?

So you couldn't do that with any other imperial army?

So Celstine is gone. I don't care (her even more silly BA cousin should be the next). I liked Praxedes and Helena - the (now immortal) Living Saint not so much. The model was nice though (would have been better without the dove and the flowers).

Celestine being gone means SoB don't have anything useable in the HQ or Elites slot and also makes 1 of their Fast attack slots dam near pointless.

Sure. But that should not have been the job for a (very!) special character from the start (same with the also once dead Uriah Jacobus).

I don't get your point. What does her being a special character have to do with anything?

If you need a special character (especially someone like Celestine who clearly stands out from the rest of the army) to make an army or some regular units viable, then there's something wrong. I rather hope for better options and other (a bit more generic) special characters in the future (i.e. not in this book) than to mourn her loss.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
I rather hope for better options and other (a bit more generic) special characters in the future than to mourn her loss.

So you'd rather hope for things that will NEVER EVER come rather than mourn stuff that was good and is gone. It's your choice.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
At least you can add in a fething Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave to your existing Space Marine army as allies!
... what do you mean you don't have an existing Space Marine army?

So you couldn't do that with any other imperial army?

So Celstine is gone. I don't care (her even more silly BA cousin should be the next). I liked Praxedes and Helena - the (now immortal) Living Saint not so much. The model was nice though (would have been better without the dove and the flowers).

Celestine being gone means SoB don't have anything useable in the HQ or Elites slot and also makes 1 of their Fast attack slots dam near pointless.

Sure. But that should not have been the job for a (very!) special character from the start (same with the also once dead Uriah Jacobus).

I don't get your point. What does her being a special character have to do with anything?

If you need a special character (especially someone like Celestine who clearly stands out from the rest of the army) to make an army or some regular units viable, then there's something wrong. I rather hope for better options and other (a bit more generic) special characters in the future than to mourn her loss.

You're still not making any sense wth does her being a special character have to do with anything? Isn't standing out a good thing for a centerpiece-ish unit? Why is being more generic good? As for units, plenty of units need characters to make them good.

More options would be cool but A) This is it, this is what we got and B) why does celestine have to die for them?

Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

I'd wait for a page you can see, if worried.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
1. Whose armor was she ignoring that was important? Anything fast that wants to be in melee will at minimum have a 4++ or 2+. Or will ID her that round.

Scatbikes, Warp Spiders, Marines, Librarians, Rune Priests, Patriarchs, Claw-Morphs (pretty big deal that she gets to strike first here).... etc etc.

2. She gets up once. Big whoop.

One time more than any other character in 40k.

3. She's terrible for the cost because as a whole she does nothing that isn't done better by allies (which really is tarpitting) or just not including her at all so that way you can spam troops and Exorcists.

Gonna repost what I said in my original reply. Maybe you'll read it this time.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.

If you're removing Troops or Exorcists to include her, you're doing it wrong.

1. Scatterbikes ID her and have an effective 48" range. I wanted to stop reading there because you listed her as a counter to them for whatever reason.

She's nit fast enough to catch Warp Spiders (they're the same speed except Spiders can run and ID her too!), and Rune Priests get 2+ if you pay for it. Librarians fish for invisibility. Also with experimenting with Cults they don't have any armor anyway for the most part.

Like, seriously, she's not a counter to any of these. None of them are afraid of her, especially the Marines hiding in their transport.

2. Huron and Yarrick do it, one of them striking at I5 AP2 with Shred (and forcing rerolls of successful invulnerable saves), and the other having EW.

3. I read it and I'm saying you should ignore her in the first place. Anything going out of the way to include her is bad list writing. You have Jacobus, or the Cannoness to equip Combi-Weapons on (or just hide her somewhere to avoid giving up STW. Nobody will judge you on that).

So her entry being removed is not problematic whatsoever.

Its not problematic to YOU - Perhaps you should consider that other people feel differently - for once - just once in your life,

Seriously - They have remvoed the signature character in the codex in exchnage for Sweet FA - when they are handing out candy to very other recent codex in the shape ofr formations, new rules and the like - why exactly is this situtation beyond your udnerdtanding. Something is LOST - its not a win.

Even if you in your almighty wisdon did not want to use her others did - and now they can;t - so its a LOSS - Do you get it? and Yes I AM pissed off with the situation and you trolling is not helping

A character was removed, but not a good one.

Now, if Jacobus was removed I'd understand complaints

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

You mean the fake formations from 4chan?

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
Just saw this on Facebook, rekt

Was anybody surprised by this reply?

It's like asking "Siri, is water wet?"

And back to dumpster fire.

Waiting for leaks...

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

Those are fake.

Jacobus is dog gak. For whoever that guy is. Unless you play blob sisters he's the exact same level of usefulness as a 25 point priest. Celestine was the only Sisters hq that was even close to worth her points. The canoness is exactly the same usefulness as a space marine sergeant and Jacobus needs 20 girls and 3 other priests to be useful.

Loopstah wrote:

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

You mean the fake formations from 4chan?

Those were fake? Didnt know that...
He has them in his compilation. I mean these ones:

Sisters of Battle
Ministorum Delegation: Lets you pair a leader with a bodyguard. Must be from Adepta Sororitas faction. Grants both Shield of Faith.

Army of Faith: Improved prayer (Shield of Faith?)

Fury of Angels

Celestians + Seraphim
Seraphim DS without scatter on celestians and can assault with them

Angelic Host
2-5 Seraphim
Seraphim get +1 SOF and friendlies within 12" reroll SOF

Forward Crusade
3-6 Dominions
Half infiltrate on foot, other half outflank in immolator and may choose to come in on the side closest to one of the other squads

Wrath Squadron
3-6 Retributers
AoF also grants Relentless. Flamers gain torrent

The Penitent Host
2-6 Repentia
4+ FNP and AoF grabts fleet and allows a charge from anywhere

Hammer of Wrath
2 Exorcists
Roll 2d6 pick highest, apply to both

Purge Squadron
3-6 Immolators with same weapon
Squadron
Flamers get +1S
HB get Rending
MM get tank Hunter

Emperors Hate - Core
Canoness
Command Squad
Celestian Squad
Battle Sisters
Retributers
Must take immolator
Grants ObSec and double AoF

Crusade of Daughters - Core
20 Battle Sisters
May take 5 special and 5 heavy weapons
AoF - pick Doms or Rets AoF

Hymns of War - Decurion
Reroll WL
No AoF test
Stubborn

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

Those formations are not in the book. You can also see the full table of contents in an image, and none of those formations are in it.(With the exception of the Delegation)

It was 4chan wishlisting

BakAG wrote:

Loopstah wrote:

BakAG wrote:
Faeit has a compilation of formations and the decurion of sisters.
It actually look very very good... my opinion.

You mean the fake formations from 4chan?

Those were fake? Didnt know that...
He has them in his compilation. I mean these ones:

Yep, totally fake, seeing as we've had pictures of the contents page and none of them are mentioned anywhere.

They are fake - we have the contents page - none of those, no St Celestine.