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**Souleater**

Well, let's hope that the early 2017 Codex rumours are true!

**ShaneMarsh**

Yeah, because at this point if those rumors aren't true then the Sisters are an army I'll be sidelining. Luckily, I absolutely believe the rumors.

adamsouza wrote:
book is facing an uphill climb to have any real value beyond digital stuff being physical.

Firstly, coming from a gaming group that likes to use books instead of tablets, this alone is worth the $40 to get Inquisitors, Sisters, and Assasins in print.

Secondly, without using multiple formations, CADs, etc.. this book is giving us a way to form an eclectic force of Imperial Agents.

Thirdly, this book likely provides additional forces for Kill Teams

New Formations !!!!!

New units !!

At the moment based on what we've been told you still need multiple formations, CADs, to field the units in this book. They aren't a cohesive force in the slightest. We'll have to see the formations and what new units there are (not much, if any) but unless the benefits are actually worthwhile then the only hard positive is that this is physical.

**ERJAK**

ShaneMarsh wrote:
Yeah, because at this point if those rumors aren't true then the Sisters are an army I'll be sidelining. Luckily, I absolutely believe the rumors.

I'm straight up out of 40k if they're not true. I'll keep my armies and hope for the future but I've already dropped out of the tournament at adepticon. I refuse to just let this stand, and my Sigmar army is entirely built now so from this point on GW will actually have to do something worthwhile to get any more of my money.

**Sabotage!**

Thommy H wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
I'm going to reserve final judgement until I see the book, but it looks as Inquisition got gutted. It looks like about half the henchmen options went to Sisters (unless this book let's you take units from all the factions contained within interchangeably), and nothing was added. I was hoping for a Storm Trooper/Scion troop choice so I can run a reasonable kill team. Hopefully that rumored Inquisition boxed game is a thing so I can make use of some of my favorite models for the first time since the 5th edition GK book came out.

The henchmen are presented as indivudual units and there are formations for different factions that allow you to use them together as a single squad. The Inquisition henchmen unit will use entries from throughout the codex for theirs. So the Priest and Psyker use their own datasheets rather than repeat those options. We know already that different Ordos can include GK, DW and SoB in their retinues.

So it's nine different factions, with some methods of mixing them via formations.

Good to know! Thanks very much for the clarification, it is much appreciated!

**BBAP**

ERJAK wrote:
Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
Just saw this on Facebook, rekt

Feth this to the motherfething moon and back.

+1

Nevermind though, eh? At least you can add in a fething Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave to your existing Space Marine army as allies!

... what do you mean you don't have an existing Space Marine army?

**ERJAK**

BBAP wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
Just saw this on Facebook, rekt

Feth this to the motherfething moon and back.

+1

Nevermind though, eh? At least you can add in a fething Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave to your existing Space Marine army as allies!

... what do you mean you don't have an existing Space Marine army?

Makes all our arguments over Celestine getting EW or not seem a might silly doesn't it?

**godardc**

So, do we have any info about the new canoness' rules ?

**BBAP**

ERJAK wrote:
Makes all our arguments over Celestine getting EW or not seem a might silly doesn't it?

It does a bit. Wouldn't have saved her here, anyway.

Still, I for one welcome our new Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave overlords, swooping down in their Valkyries (or not, as the case may be) with their Dreadknights at their sides (in a seperate Detachment).

**ERJAK**

BBAP wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Makes all our arguments over Celestine getting EW or not seem a might silly doesn't it?

It does a bit. Wouldn't have saved her here, anyway.

Still, I for one welcome our new Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave overlords, swooping down in their Valkyries (or not, as the case may be) with their Dreadknights at their sides (in a seperate Detachment).

Even then, Starting a CQC squad in a flyer means turn 3 charge at the best of times. Unless there's a formation to bring it in turn 1.

**BBAP**

But they can't start in the flyer anyway. So you can start them on the table, then the Flyer comes in, picks them up, carries them forward, drops them off, and by the time they're in position to charge you've either lost the game or your Sisters have boltered/ Melta'd everything to death and they stand around doing nothing.

Which is pretty much how they work in the 6th Ed book, except now they use up a formation slot instead of requiring a Priest in your CAD. Hooray for progress!

**ERJAK**

BBAP wrote:
But they can't start in the flyer anyway. So you can start them on the table, then the Flyer comes in, picks them up, carries them forward, drops them off, and by the time they're in position to charge you've either lost the game or your Sisters have boltered/ Melta'd everything to death and they stand around doing nothing.

Which is pretty much how they work in the 6th Ed book, except now they use up a formation slot instead of requiring a Priest in your CAD. Hooray for progress!

I thought we were beyond the point where GW was a gakky company run by total morons who have no concept of how their game works or what makes people buy things. I thought new GW finally had a goddam clue in the world but I guess some things never really change.

**gungo**

BBAP wrote:
But they can't start in the flyer anyway. So you can start them on the table, then the Flyer comes in, picks them up, carries them forward, drops them off, and by the time they're in position to charge you've either lost the game or your Sisters have boltered/ Melta'd everything to death and they stand around doing nothing.

Which is pretty much how they work in the 6th Ed book, except now they use up a formation slot instead of requiring a Priest in your CAD. Hooray for progress!

Skyshield landing pad. (Now comes with ready to take off for free)
Valkyrie in hover mode
squad on pad.
Turn 1

It's not bad but requires a fortification detschment and cost 75pts

**Davor**

Loopstah wrote:I agree, first impressions this looks like a disaster. We really need someone to leak the actual rules stating how the factions interact in the book and who gets access to which transport options etc.

Why do we need leaks? If GW has changed and they actually talk to their customers/fans now, why hasn't anyone asked them yet if this is the case or not?

**ERJAK**

Davor wrote:
Loopstah wrote:I agree, first impressions this looks like a disaster. We really need someone to leak the actual rules stating how the factions interact in the book and who gets access to which transport options etc.

Why do we need leaks? If GW has changed and they actually talk to their customers/fans now, why hasn't anyone asked them yet if this is the case or not?

People have asked, but GW hasn't answered except to say that SoB and Inq got neutered.

Because they haven't changed, they still don't care about the players and they still don't understand how their game works. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they've been fairly silent and suppressing leaks compared to traitor legions is because they didn't realize anything was wrong until people with review copies pointed it out. Now they're just hoping no one publicly spills the beans before they have everyone's money.

**BBAP**

ERJAK wrote:
Because they haven't changed, they still don't care about the players and they still don't understand how their game works. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they've been fairly silent and suppressing leaks compared to traitor legions is because they didn't realize anything was wrong until people with review copies pointed it out. Now they're just hoping no one publicly spills the beans before they have everyone's money.

That's called "the Creative Assembly Shuffle"; smush info leaks, take pre-orders, gak out a buggy waste of space, then patch it when enough people complain.

Except GW aren't going to patch it. I don't care though, because my mech Scars finally have tax-free access to Arco-Flagellants which was the only thing they needed to be super-competitive and fluffy.

**Slayer-Fan123**

BBAP wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
Oh look, another Sisters player lashing out at anyone they can because they're so hellbent on playing the victim they can't get over the fact they play a neglected, largely irrelevant faction in a game.

That's not what's happening. I'm saying you, personally, are salty and condescending, hence it's no surprise nobody listened to you. Not "anyone" or "everyone". Just you.

You can't barrack people and expect them to respect your opinion on anything. That's some life advice there that'll serve you well beyond 40k discussions on Dakka.

Maybe the solution isn't for the rest of us to go form our own threads but to create a special thread for all 8 of you Sisters players here hellbent on being miserable. You can whine to your heart's content and not suck the life out of every other thread on this board that's not about you.

And my point was that Sisters were always pertinent to the thread, hence were always going to be discussed. If that displeases you, find somewhere else to be. Don't whinge because people are discussing Sisters in a thread where Sisters are pertinent. Don't get sandy because you're not getting asspats.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
To make the army any good you don't want her. She's a lone target that wants to go into melee in an army that doesn't want to do that.

That doesn't mean she's not good. She'll walk through most min squads of anything, including Genestealers, and the 2+/4++/ resurrection means she can bounce a fair bit of shooting for a T3 model. Like I said, if you have space for a CC whopper then she's not a terrible way to spend the points. If not, then you're not going to take her.

No she wasn't even good at that. She's stuck at AP3 and doesn't have EW. She's a waste of points.

I can't believe people in here are actually defending her rules.

**BBAP**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
No she wasn't even good at that. She's stuck at AP3

So only ignores 80% of the armour in the game, instead of 100%.

and doesn't have EW.

Didn't need it either because she comes back to life when she dies.

I can't believe people in here are actually defending her rules.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.

Moot now anyway. She had to go so Space Marines players could have a Battle Conclave.

**Mr Morden**

From Facebook

A big screw you Sisters fans from GW.

The Imperial Agents book presents a revised and updated version of the Adepta Sororitas army list. It is indeed intended to replace the digital version.

**Grimmor**

And proof that Sisters can't get an update without losing units. Dear god.

**gigasnail**

Ouch.

On the flip side, no more servo skulls.

I'm strangely comfortable with it.

**Mr Morden**

Grimmor wrote:
And proof that Sisters can't get an update without losing units. Dear god.

Indeed - cue various people coming in and sayign we should be grateful for that.

**oldzoggy**

ERJAK wrote:
Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
Just saw this on Facebook, rekt

Feth this to the motherfething moon and back.

Meh GW's social media team can say whatever they want. If space wulfs can choose what Iron priest they can use, and orks can use the green tide formation by FAQ, sisters can use units their old codex.

**Grimmor**

Mr Morden wrote:
Grimmor wrote:
And proof that Sisters can't get an update without losing units. Dear god.

Indeed - cue various people coming in and sayign we should be grateful for that.

I play multiple armies, and none of them have to put up with this crap. Granted two of them (Skitarii and Cult Mech) didnt exist before this edition, but that isnt the point. Actually know that i think about it Orks had to put up with this too, as they lost Wazdakka Gutzmek and Old Zogwart, still no idea why.

In any event it served no purpose to ditch Celestine, Wazdakka and Zogwart, i mean how much work is it to copy their rules to a Dataslate?

**ERJAK**

BBAP wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
No she wasn't even good at that. She's stuck at AP3

So only ignores 80% of the armour in the game, instead of 100%.

and doesn't have EW.

Didn't need it either because she comes back to life when she dies.

I can't believe people in here are actually defending her rules.

I'm not saying she's an auto-include, just saying she's not a bad model for what she costs. Actually two models.

Moot now anyway. She had to go so Space Marines players could have a Battle Conclave.

There's no reason for space marines to take the conclave. 90% of the C:SM is more point efficient already.

**Grimmor**

Actually, when Sisters could ride in Drop Pods, they where the more points efficient Heavy Flamer delivery. It was a niche thing, but they where good at it.

**Dryaktylus**

BBAP wrote:
At least you can add in a fething Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave to your existing Space Marine army as allies!
... what do you mean you don't have an existing Space Marine army?

So you couldn't do that with any other imperial army?

So Celstine is gone. I don't care (her even more silly BA cousin should be the next). I liked Praxedes and Helena - the (now immortal) Living Saint not so much. The model was nice though (would have been better without the dove and the flowers).

**ERJAK**

Dryaktylus wrote:
BBAP wrote:
At least you can add in a fething Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave to your existing Space Marine army as allies!
... what do you mean you don't have an existing Space Marine army?

So you couldn't do that with any other imperial army?

So Celstine is gone. I don't care (her even more silly BA cousin should be the next). I liked Praxedes and Helena - the (now immortal) Living Saint not so much. The model was nice though (would have been better without the dove and the flowers).

Celestine being gone means SoB don't have anything useable in the HQ or Elites slot and also makes 1 of their Fast attack slots dam near pointless.

**adamsouza**

The rules are "revised and updated". Can we at least get a few rules leaks before we declare units unusable ?

**Grimmor**

adamsouza wrote:
The rules are "revised and updated". Can we at least get a few rules leaks before we declare units unusable ?

Im pretty sure that just means they got some rules clarifications and fancy new dataslates. I dont actually see Celestians getting any better, sadly enough, so that does still leave that slot as gak. However i used Jacobus so im still ok.

**Mr Morden**

adamsouza wrote:
The rules are "revised and updated". Can we at least get a few rules leaks before we declare units unusable ?

Really you need more? I was hopeful - but thats gone.