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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Reading is fundamental. The wager is for a cheese sandwich. If I am wrong, and I certainly could be, provide me your address and I will mail you said sandwich.

Oh, sorry. Very disappointed. Even if the sandwich doesn't go bad during the transportation, it would still be US cheese!

I'm a bit shocked. Why would the winner have to eat a sandwich made with US cheese? Shouldn't that one go to the looser? I mean, sure, it has time to develop some kind of flavor on the plane, but it's probably still inedible.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Whoo thanks

I wonder what deal Bols has made with the devi... ehm gw to gain the monopoly on rumors. But I don't care they show it to us : D

It's awesome - GW finally managing to behave like a regular company, sending out preview copies and doing the social media stuff, too. As fethed up as 2016 was, at least there's some light ;-)

So old inquisition you could run 3 bands of 12 guys or 36 + your inquisitor

I'm interested in how many acolytes come in 1 unit slot, how many Arcos can I get with 1?

10 dca? Sold
Also it appears that the military arm is not part of the blob as it doesn't have the footnote so your acolytes can have dedicated transports and so can the military arm.

I wonder if the monkeys still affect the entire henchmen war band?

What is the minimum cost of acolytes? Inquisitor spam for warlord traits and orbital strike relays?

nekooni wrote:
I'm a bit shocked. Why would the winner have to eat a sandwich made with US cheese? Shouldn't that one go to the looser?

Maybe that's what he meant, but that mean I would have to buy US cheese? *gasp*

 BBAP wrote:

ShaneMarsh wrote:
Question: If I use the Inq Warband and I get a Battle Sister Squad, can I buy an Immo for hat squad? It is in the squad options and all.

You could, but they wouldn't be able to ride in it. There's only enough room in an Immo for the 5-model squad and an IC, so the unit of Acolytes forces them out of it. Least that's how it looks from here.

But if the upgrade option for dedicated transport is on the Battle Sister page, wouldn't it be Faction AS? IE; Sisters could start in it, but not the Inquisitor and Acolytes?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

nekooni wrote:
I'm a bit shocked. Why would the winner have to eat a sandwich made with US cheese? Shouldn't that one go to the looser?

Maybe that's what he meant, but that mean I would have to buy US cheese? *gasp*

Where would you get that in Europe? I mean, I know where to get drugs, but US cheese?

while the BoLS vid is quite informative it's just the stuff we already know - at least from skipping through it it was literally the same pages from that russian source which was probably just screencaps of the video.

Just fast forwarded through the BOLS preview of the codex and I must say I wasn't disappointed in expecting the preview to be complete garbage.

This is why I hate listening or reading peoples reviews on anything Sisters related, they never have any idea wtf they are talking about...

I see it as nothing more than rushed doodoo so they can be "first" with a video preview. WTF was with the watermark all over the video?!

nekooni wrote:
*edit* so to answer the original question: Yes, that Sisters of Battle Squad can purchase and deploy in an Immolator. The Inquisitor would even be free to join them there as they're from the same detachment - at least that's how I'd rule it. I don't think that last part is 100% supported by the rules, though - so a TO might decide otherwise.

Going by what the Captain said I think it is 100% RAW. The Inquisitor doesn't have a (1) either as far as I can see, so you can throw the Acolytes away and just run the not-Warlord with the BSS - and it's the same formation, hence same faction, so she can start in the Immo alongside the BSS.

That's actually not too bad. I was envisioning Black Templars-style squads of mixed armour units with gakky Acolytes locking your dudes out of their transports, then dying and forcing Morale on your Chamber Militant units.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Whoo thanks

I wonder what deal Bols has made with the devi... ehm gw to gain the monopoly on rumors. But I don't care they show it to us : D

The same one that VetNoob and others made. They get review copies in exchange for posting... reviews. Crazy.

ShaneMarsh wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

ShaneMarsh wrote:
Question: If I use the Inq Warband and I get a Battle Sister Squad, can I buy an Immo for hat squad? It is in the squad options and all.

You could, but they wouldn't be able to ride in it. There's only enough room in an Immo for the 5-model squad and an IC, so the unit of Acolytes forces them out of it. Least that's how it looks from here.

But if the upgrade option for dedicated transport is on the Battle Sister page, wouldn't it be Faction AS? IE; Sisters could start in it, but not the Inquisitor and Warband?

See, the rules for formations and detachments, as far as I know, say that if it's in the same formation/ detachment, then it's the same faction - or something like that (my BRB is on another machine so I can't check), hence the not-Warlord can start in the Immo.

If that's not the case then it just means I'll have to throw the Inquisitor in the bin alongside the Acolytes. Unless the Acolytes can also get a Dedicated Transport, which would be cool.

I am totally fine, with this book.

+My inquisitors got back their malific powers, and can now use daemon swords in in termi armour : D
+My inquisitors get warlord buffs
+The henchmen squad sort of works

- Psyker Inq armies are debuffed
- I do now have 4+ warlords in my army slay the warlord is going to be bad.
- All my "units" are a detachment now... good luck ever playing in an organised event with this army

 BBAP wrote:

nekooni wrote:
*edit* so to answer the original question: Yes, that Sisters of Battle Squad can purchase and deploy in an Immolator. The Inquisitor would even be free to join them there as they're from the same detachment - at least that's how I'd rule it. I don't think that last part is 100% supported by the rules, though - so a TO might decide otherwise.

Going by what the Captain said I think it is 100% RAW. The Inquisitor doesn't have a (1) either as far as I can see, so you can throw the Acolytes away and just run the not-Warlord with the BSS - and it's the same formation, hence same faction, so she can start in the Immo alongside the BSS.

That's actually not too bad. I was envisioning Black Templars-style squads of mixed armour units with gakky Acolytes locking your dudes out of their transports, then dying and forcing Morale on your Chamber Militant units.

Well it's pretty convoluted, took me quite a while to figure it out with the few pages we have - imagine my face seeing that "0-1 DCAs , 0-1 Crusaders" for the first time. I have like 10 each sitting around.
Now let's just hope they still have decent wargear options on the acolytes and proper transportation (Land Raiders). They had that in Codex: Inquisition, so I'm optimistic here

*edit* taking a glance at the Wargear List:
nothing changed, including the price of Plasma guns - still equivalent to 10 bolters.
The vehicle upgrades were updated in points cost, so vehicles will also be updated to 7th edition

The relics are now Ordo-exclusive, that's the only real change I can see here. Had a laugh at Plasma Pistols still being 5 pts more than a Plasma Gun

nekooni wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

nekooni wrote:
*edit* so to answer the original question: Yes, that Sisters of Battle Squad can purchase and deploy in an Immolator. The Inquisitor would even be free to join them there as they're from the same detachment - at least that's how I'd rule it. I don't think that last part is 100% supported by the rules, though - so a TO might decide otherwise.

Going by what the Captain said I think it is 100% RAW. The Inquisitor doesn't have a (1) either as far as I can see, so you can throw the Acolytes away and just run the not-Warlord with the BSS - and it's the same formation, hence same faction, so she can start in the Immo alongside the BSS.

That's actually not too bad. I was envisioning Black Templars-style squads of mixed armour units with gakky Acolytes locking your dudes out of their transports, then dying and forcing Morale on your Chamber Militant units.

Well it's pretty convoluted, took me quite a while to figure it out with the few pages we have - imagine my face seeing that "0-1 DCAs , 0-1 Crusaders" for the first time. I have like 10 each sitting around.
Now let's just hope they still have decent wargear options on the acolytes and proper transportation (Land Raiders).

DCAs and Crusaders are now units, so if you have ten Crusaders, you can probably field a unit of ten of them.

 oldzoggy wrote:
- I do now have 4+ warlords in my army slay the warlord is going to be bad.

From the screencap it seems that they are only considered warlord wrt the Trait rules, i.e. they don't give your opponent more “Slay the warlord” opportunity. Nice ain't it?

 oldzoggy wrote:
- All my "units" are a detachment now... good luck ever playing in an organised event with this army

I don't think this was ever supposed to be a cohesive army book in the style of Codex: Daemonhunters/ Witch Hunters. The best you'll manage is a Formation allied into another Imperial army (i.e. Space Marines), which is essentially what DH/WH were in the first place (WH not so much since you could run that as full-Sisters and kick ass, but DH were little more than that).

So maybe this is an old-school 3rd Ed Inquisition type book after all. If only they'd rolled back the gakky Crudwarded Sisters rules to 3rd Edition as well.

nekooni wrote:
Now let's just hope they still have decent wargear options on the acolytes and proper transportation (Land Raiders).

I'd be happy with them keeping the Valkyries to be honest.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
- I do now have 4+ warlords in my army slay the warlord is going to be bad.

From the screencap it seems that they are only considered warlord wrt the Trait rules, i.e. they don't give your opponent more “Slay the warlord” opportunity. Nice ain't it?

I keeps getting better

 BBAP wrote:
If that's not the case then it just means I'll have to throw the Inquisitor in the bin alongside the Acolytes. Unless the Acolytes can also get a Dedicated Transport, which would be cool.

The mechanism to give Inquisitors dedicated transports in their codex was by way of the acolyte squad, so I think you'll still be set right up there. The big question is whether or not they'll retain all the options for DTs they had before...

Imagine fielding immos and razors as far as the eye can see...

0-1 DCA in the profile for dca squad size is 2 with the option of up to 8 more for the unit so the war and can have a max of 10 dca

I am sure the crusaders have a similar min/max unit size

Btw with militant arm bringing a battle sisters squad in your warband nets up to 20 sob

I want my 33 minutes back.

Versatilebeats wrote:
Btw with militant arm bringing a battle sisters squad in your warband nets up to 20 sob

Without combat squads...

Which works from a fluff perspective, I don't imagine an Order would lend more than that to the direct control of an Inquisitor. Any more or higher quality troops would sensibly require an atache (and therefore, a proper sororitas HQ)

Versatilebeats wrote:
0-1 DCA in the profile for dca squad size is 2 with the option of up to 8 more for the unit so the war and can have a max of 10 dca

I am sure the crusaders have a similar min/max unit size

Btw with militant arm bringing a battle sisters squad in your warband nets up to 20 sob

But those really couldn't board their immolator ;-)

But you're correct - it's literally just the regular unit, so the same applies to the other guys.

DW Veterans in a Blackstar, anyone? Or Drop Podding?

I'm going to order that book now, damnit.

See, the rules for formations and detachments, as far as I know, say that if it's in the same formation/ detachment, then it's the same faction - or something like that (my BRB is on another machine so I can't check), hence the not-Warlord can start in the Immo.

Does anyone know if in fact this is the case? Or do all units retain their own unique Faction even within a detachment / Formation etc

I can't even work out f the Chmaber Militant rule means the GK/SOB/DW squad is or is not part of the formation?

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Without combat squads...

Which works from a fluff perspective, I don't imagine an Order would lend more than that to the direct control of an Inquisitor. Any more or higher quality troops would sensibly require an atache (and therefore, a proper sororitas HQ)

From a crunch perspective, that's a helluva lotta points to lose in a single Sweeping Advance. And that's what'll happen.

 Mr Morden wrote:

See, the rules for formations and detachments, as far as I know, say that if it's in the same formation/ detachment, then it's the same faction - or something like that (my BRB is on another machine so I can't check), hence the not-Warlord can start in the Immo.

Does anyone know if in fact this is the case? Or do all units retain their own unique Faction even within a detachment / Formation etc

I can't even work out f the Chmaber Militant rule means the GK/SOB/DW squad is or is not part of the formation?

It literally says so for the last question:

"An Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband [the formation] that includes [Ordo X/Y/Z Inquisitor] may also include a [insert GK/SOB/DW Squad]

*edit*
WTH. The Codex is sold out in both EN and GER? Guess I'll have to visit the local GW on Saturday.

So still no invulnerable saves for inquisitors... (except with termi armour.) Yeah, not getting this book. Had they fixed that long standing travesty I would have bought this, no matter how much trash it may have otherwise been.

nekooni wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

See, the rules for formations and detachments, as far as I know, say that if it's in the same formation/ detachment, then it's the same faction - or something like that (my BRB is on another machine so I can't check), hence the not-Warlord can start in the Immo.

Does anyone know if in fact this is the case? Or do all units retain their own unique Faction even within a detachment / Formation etc

I can't even work out f the Chmaber Militant rule means the GK/SOB/DW squad is or is not part of the formation?

It literally says so for the last question:

"An Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband [the formation] that includes [Ordo X/Y/Z Inquisitor] may also include a [insert GK/SOB/DW Squad]

Yeah but does that mean they are just allowed to be in the army or actually in the formation?

 Mr Morden wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

See, the rules for formations and detachments, as far as I know, say that if it's in the same formation/ detachment, then it's the same faction - or something like that (my BRB is on another machine so I can't check), hence the not-Warlord can start in the Immo.

Does anyone know if in fact this is the case? Or do all units retain their own unique Faction even within a detachment / Formation etc

I can't even work out f the Chmaber Militant rule means the GK/SOB/DW squad is or is not part of the formation?

It literally says so for the last question:

"An Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband [the formation] that includes [Ordo X/Y/Z Inquisitor] may also include a [insert GK/SOB/DW Squad]

Yeah but does that mean they are just allowed to be in the army or actually in the formation?

They're included in the formation, it literally couldn't be clearer. The Formation is the Detachment which is the same as "the army". I don't think the later is a proper rule term in 7th edition, but don't quote me on that.

But do they become part of the unit?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So what benefits did LotD get?

They get to auto pass or fail reserve rolls I think.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
But do they become part of the unit?

If you mean "do all the units in the formation including the Chamber Militant need to be fielded as a single unit", then the answer appears to be "no". Only Warband stuff over and above the Acolytes needs to join the Acolytes, or at least that's what it looks like from here. The Inquisitor and the Chamber Militant unit seem to be seperate from the Warband crap.

Exactly.

Acolytes and optionally:
- Priests
- Crusaders
- Daemonhosts
- Arco-flagellants
- Death Cult Assassins
- Tech-Priest Enginseers
- Jokaeros
- Astropaths
form a single unit.

The Inquisitor is a regular IC.
The Chambers Militant is a regular unit.

All of these units might or might not have transports available for purchase based on their entries. The acolytes probably have an extensive list, but we know for sure that DCAs have access to Rhinos and Immolators (since they're their own unit now, and it says so on that units entry). The Chambers Militant have access to their regular transports (e.g. Blackstars for DW, Land Raiders for GK and Immolators for AS)