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 Dryaktylus wrote:

 weirdingway wrote:
For what it's worth, this is one of the first canonical descriptions of an Inquisitor and his standard equipment:

Spoiler:

He wears (skin-tight) power armor, a conversion field, a stasis field, and a refractor field! Inquisitors are supposed to have carte blanche when it comes to acquiring technology and requisitioning troops. Of course tech levels have been downgraded over time and almost every character in Rogue Trader was highly equipped with digital lasers and fields, but it's pretty crazy for a battlefield Inquisitor in a modern 40k setting not having access to things like artificer armor and energy fields, much less more esoteric equipment.

That's the past. Now the modern-day Inquisitor doesn't have three Jokaero digital weapons - he has three Jokaeros. Likewise he doesn't have three energy fields - he has a Crusader, an Enginseer and an Akolyte with shield - all of them can be used at once of course. Henchmen are just equipment for a true Inquisitor.

 StupidYellow wrote:


and you thought ( i dont mean you i just mean in general ) lizardmen names were bad... eesh!

The old Slann names like Mylkbeotl, Thanxaleotl and Wotalotabeotl are still THE benchmark.

Wow..... can I unsee those somehow?

S.Y.

Here's another buff.
Enginseer and servitors with canticles equal cheap 4x plasma cannon spam with canticles that allow for reroll of gets hot.
Add in a Xenos inqusitor with psyccolum for bs10 action vs psykers or units that contain psykers.

Then if that unit gets into combat beat the other unit down with your 5x servo arms for str6 ap1 action and add your strength canticles for 1-3 strength with that priest for reroll to hit in combat!

gungo wrote:
Here's another buff.
Enginseer and servitors with canticles equal cheap 4x plasma cannon spam with canticles that allow for reroll of gets hot.
Add in a Xenos inqusitor with psyccolum for bs10 action vs psykers or units that contain psykers.

Then if that unit gets into combat beat the other unit down with your 5x servo arms for str6 ap1 action and add your strength canticles for 1-3 strength with that priest for reroll to hit in combat!

Aren't servitors exchange their servo-arms for the heavy weapon option?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Also Inquisitors should have access to 4/5 weird defense wargear like teleportation fields (as in Cain's book),

Displacer field.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Also Inquisitors should have access to 4/5 weird defense wargear like teleportation fields (as in Cain's book),

Displacer field.

Or a Rosarius.

This doesn't replace the main codex's right? Definitely doesn't replace Deathwatch and Grey Knights. If I'm right then that means we can continue to use the only Inquisition and Sisters of Battle codex's.

 Kavish wrote:
This doesn't replace the main codex's right? Definitely doesn't replace Deathwatch and Grey Knights. If I'm right then that means we can continue to use the only Inquisition and Sisters of Battle codex's.

According the Warhammer's FB, it does replace Inq and SoB.

 Kavish wrote:
This doesn't replace the main codex's right? Definitely doesn't replace Deathwatch and Grey Knights. If I'm right then that means we can continue to use the only Inquisition and Sisters of Battle codex's.

It's the update for Inq and SOB according to their ecodex pages on the store. Or at least it calls them "revised and updated" rules.

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I'm still looking forward to the Canoness. Also although according to Veterannoob her rules don't seem like the best.

Quote needed

It was a while ago. I'll see if I can find it.


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 VeteranNoob wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Veterannoob: You don't know anything about the Canoness's rules do you?

She has the usual rules but can give her/her unit hatred in combat. A generic HQ, using art of old model. I'll get the new one.

Just going through these now. New canoness, which has pic of old model (that Sister with 2 options of body and backpack/flame) has her gearm special rules, THe Passion (Hatred) rule, can be kitted up with a little variety and can take the relics. Decide how valuable you think that is

What about the rules for the limited edition canoness?

Does the limited ed actually have different rules? Unsure about that, but maybe someone here knows. We're recording the podcast review for this book now and considering a lot of discussion these past few days and some...discussion...I think we're a little half & half with many parts of the book.

hrowing a ton of new rules at every codex release / faction update is exactly how we ended up with an incredibly imbalanced game. I'm not a fan of the whole powercreep going on, so - in terms of game balance - I'm just waiting for 8th edition to hopefully fix that problem. A single Codex just can't do that, sadly - so I'm not really expecting it from any such release

Which Imperial Codexes do you play then. Is it only your codexes that are allowed to have good stuff?

Still wating for you to explain what the bonus to the Sisters of Battle was? St Celestine is gone, this is the new codex, in exchange two truely dire detachments - one of which is there to help - oh yeah Marines - what a shock.

You've got no clue what transport options are available to Acolytes. None at all. Nor have you seen all the Navy pages, have you? Maybe they've put in a "you may embark Battle Brothers on this transport". Who knows? I don't, and I don't think there's been a leak of those pages, or am I mistaken?

We will soon see who is right - all the signs point to none of these - its not mentioned in the overiding Inqusitional Formaiton which has been shown. The reviewers have confirmed that all units retain their Factions so no deploying in transports like the Valykries.

Read what you quoted. Just do it. And now reflect on what you just wrote. Do you notice a certain ... mismatch between what you claim my position is and what I've actually written?

Nope, several of us suggested that Inquistors should really have a Invul save to be in line with the fluff - and suddenly "they are walking force shield generators" - so which is it - they should or should not have them? Again why are you anti- lore/fluff

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Does the limited ed actually have different rules? Unsure about that, but maybe someone here knows. We're recording the podcast review for this book now and considering a lot of discussion these past few days and some...discussion...I think we're a little half & half with many parts of the book.

When will your podcast be out? I think a lot of people are on the edge of their seat hoping there will be something to eleviate the transport issues. That goes without saying that there are many odd things that hopefully will be fixed when 8th comes.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Does the limited ed actually have different rules? Unsure about that, but maybe someone here knows. We're recording the podcast review for this book now and considering a lot of discussion these past few days and some...discussion...I think we're a little half & half with many parts of the book.

Do you have the current AS codex - if not I can PM the actual current Canoness rules to compare.

It would be nice if there was something extra with her - but it seems doubtful considering how much of a kick in the teeth this already is to Sisters players.

Just going through these now. New canoness, which has pic of old model (that Sister with 2 options of body and backpack/flame) has her gearm special rules, THe Passion (Hatred) rule, can be kitted up with a little variety and can take the relics. Decide how valuable you think that is

The Passion is the normal rule, she could always take a single relic although since you can only have one (except of course some Tau players argue differently) its usually the Eternal Warrior one not the sword.


If you are able to clear up some fo the points on contention - is there any special rule (we don't need details) that allows delpoyment in the various trasnport - especially things like the Navy Valykrie's.

Foot slogging max crusader/death cult assassin deathstar hiding out behind a line of immolators battle sister firing squad to help them get there.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Does the limited ed actually have different rules? Unsure about that, but maybe someone here knows. We're recording the podcast review for this book now and considering a lot of discussion these past few days and some...discussion...I think we're a little half & half with many parts of the book.

When will your podcast be out? I think a lot of people are on the edge of their seat hoping there will be something to eleviate the transport issues. That goes without saying that there are many odd things that hopefully will be fixed when 8th comes.

Not to jump on VeteranNoobs toes or anything, but I'll be picking up the codex and new Cannoness model after I knock off work (in about 3-4hours from this post), so I'll be able to give some insight. I regularly play with the current Adepta Sororitas and Inquisition e-dexs too so I should be able to pick the differences.

Emperor speed good sir

 Mr Morden wrote:
[ Is it only your codexes that are allowed to have good stuff?

Still wating for you to explain what the bonus to the Sisters of Battle was? St Celestine is gone, this is the new codex, in exchange two truely dire detachments - one of which is there to help - oh yeah Marines - what a shock.

fluff

St. Celestine is gone, but we do have another Special Character Cannoness. Yeah, this is still a downgrade and she is less helpful than Celestine, but not totally bad.

We did get two formations. Lackluster though they are, they are still better than nothing.

A couple of the Acts of Faith that used to only last the faze now last the turn. This is a big one, and possibly the best buff.

Units of Death Cult assassins that can take an Immolator in the Elites slots is also kind-of nice.

 GoonBandito wrote:

Not to jump on VeteranNoobs toes or anything, but I'll be picking up the codex and new Cannoness model after I knock off work (in about 3-4hours from this post), so I'll be able to give some insight. I regularly play with the current Adepta Sororitas and Inquisition e-dexs too so I should be able to pick the differences.

To you, good sir, or VeteranNoob: any word about the acolytes would be greatly appreciated. They've been glossed over in all the previews so far and it's driving me a little nuts.

Do inquisitors still get the fun psycotroke grenades?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

gungo wrote:
Here's another buff.
Enginseer and servitors with canticles equal cheap 4x plasma cannon spam with canticles that allow for reroll of gets hot.
Add in a Xenos inqusitor with psyccolum for bs10 action vs psykers or units that contain psykers.

Then if that unit gets into combat beat the other unit down with your 5x servo arms for str6 ap1 action and add your strength canticles for 1-3 strength with that priest for reroll to hit in combat!

Aren't servitors exchange their servo-arms for the heavy weapon option?

Ya sorry the servitors lose thier servo Arm for a heavy weapon but hey they are only 10pt models.

My plan for the Engineseer and servitors is to make them both bullet catchers for the rest of Cult Mech, and a cheap way to get more units for Canticles of the Omnisiah. If their rules are anything similar to their Admech rules than for 270 points I have 6 units with Canticles. Makes it pretty easy to get max benefits.

Well Goon,

I hope you can share some insight on the despair of the transport situation and the 'henchmen & akolyte' grouping.

Would like to also know the relics of each Ordo, really hoping its not just the three books from the gk codex..

 GoonBandito wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Does the limited ed actually have different rules? Unsure about that, but maybe someone here knows. We're recording the podcast review for this book now and considering a lot of discussion these past few days and some...discussion...I think we're a little half & half with many parts of the book.

When will your podcast be out? I think a lot of people are on the edge of their seat hoping there will be something to eleviate the transport issues. That goes without saying that there are many odd things that hopefully will be fixed when 8th comes.

Not to jump on VeteranNoobs toes or anything, but I'll be picking up the codex and new Cannoness model after I knock off work (in about 3-4hours from this post), so I'll be able to give some insight. I regularly play with the current Adepta Sororitas and Inquisition e-dexs too so I should be able to pick the differences.

If you have a chance, a quick rundown of the Acolyte dataslate (and what transports they have) would be very much appreciated. I wonder if they have upgrade options outside of the wargear now that they have their own data slate (like Veteran Acolyte with +1 BS or +1A or something for X points), or if they just filled up a whole data slate with very little info.

Any info on the new Inq stuff would be very much appreciated though Goon! Thanks in advance!

Codex in hand, ask away. Things I can quickly confirm:

Canonness Veridyan has a dataslate with rules. She gives out a Precision Shot/Precision Strike bubble to Adepta Sororitas units within 12". Otherwise same as a regular Canoness, but comes with a Power Sword, and she costs 85pts. My first thought - sit her near a unit of Retributors for pseudo-Snipers (ie Rending Heavy Bolters with Precision Shots). Incidentally, the cast on my model looks good - only a very minor bubble on the back of the cloak where you'll never see it. It's also got a 2016 copyright for those interested.

All the armies in the book are their own Factions, with all the implications that carries. The Valkyrie in particular is listed as-is from the Astra Militarum codex (with Faction: Aeronautica Imperialis instead). BUT, Acolytes *can* take a Valkyrie as a Dedicated Transport (as well as Battle Sister Rhinos and Grey Knight Land Raiders). Games Workshop just borked their own FAQ as far as I can tell :s

The Canoness still has the Eviscerator and Inferno Pistols as a wargear option on her dataslate for those who were worried.

The Exorcist Missile Launcher is specifically ruled as a Turret Mounted weapon with 360-degree arc of sight.

Condemnor Boltguns and Immolators have the modified FAQ rulings (ie Condemnor Boltguns only need to hit a unit with a Psyker in it to cause Perils, and Immolators have a Fire Point).

Warlord Traits/Relics are unchanged for both Sororitas and Inquisition

Grey Knights Formation (Demonhunter Strike Force) is 1 Troop, 1 Fast Attack, 1 optional Heavy Support and all units can start making Deep Strike reserve rolls from turn 1 as well as Running and Shooting the turn they Deep Strike. Basically its a slightly different Nemesis Strike Force

Acolytes are 3-9 Acolytes with same statline and upgrade options as before (though Carapace and Power Armour got cut in cost by half). Additionally, any Acolyte can be upgraded to a Mystic with the same No Deep Strike Scatter rule as before. The unit can take Chimeras, Soroitas Rhinos, Land Raiders of all 3 types and Valkyries as Dedicated Transports.

Demonhosts are a unit of 1 - and now have the actual Demon rule too! - but are otherwise unchanged.

Jokearo are a unit of 1, and are unchanged.

Psychotroke and Rad Grenades are unchanged.

Edit: Here are some PICTURES

Edit2: So after looking through the Adepta Sororitas and Inquisition lists, here are the changes I can see from the e-dexs. If I didn't mention it, it didn't change as far as I can see.


Adepta Sororitas:

St Celestine removed

Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave removed (ie the mixed Arco-flagellent/Crusader/Death Cult Assassin unit)

Sororitas Command Squad moved to the Elites section


New unit: Arco-flagellants (Elite). 3 Arco-Flagellants for 30pts, can buy up to 7 more. Rhino or Immolator as DT.

New unit: Crusaders (Elite). 2 Crusaders for 30pts, can buy up to 8 more. Rhino or Immolator as DT

New unit: Death Cult Assassins (Elite). 2 DCA's for 30pts, can buy up to 8 more. Rhino or immolator.


New detachment: Ministorum Delegation. 1 HQ (must be a Ministorum Priest) and 1 optional Elite, all units in the detachment gain Shield of Faith.

New detachment: Vestal Task Force. 1 HQ, 2 Troops, 1 Elite, optional 1 HQ, 4 Troops, 2 Elites, 3 Fast Attack, 3 Heavy Support. Once per game all units can re-roll saving throws of 1 until the end of the turn. Warlord can re-roll Walord Trait if Primary Detachment.

New formation: Ecclisarchy Battle Conclave. 1 Ministorum Priest or Uriah Jacobus. 3-10 units in any combination of Arco-flagellants, Crusaders or Death Cult Assassins. All models in the Formation form a single unit, and all models get the Shield of Faith rule.


Immolator: Gained a Fire Point on the top hatch (as per the draft FAQ).

Condemnor Boltgun: Only requires you to hit an enemy unit with a Psyker to cause Perils, rather than having to cause an Unsaved Wound (as per the draft FAQ)

Acts of Faith: They all now last until the End of the Turn, rather than the End of the Phase. This means some slight buffs, eg Battle Sister Squads can now carry their Preferred Enemy Act of Faith from the Shooting Phase into the Assault Phase of the same turn.

Exorcist: Exorcist Missile Launcher clarified to be a turret mounted weapon with a 360-degree arc of sight.


New Tactical Objectives:

* Slay the Heretic: Score 1 VP at the end of your turn if you killed any enemy characters during the turn

* Armour of Contempt: The next time one of your Adepta Sororitas makes a successful Shield of Faith save or Deny the Witch roll, immediately score 1 VP.

* Reclaim Lost Relic: Roll a D6 - Score 1 VP at the end of your turn if you control the objective that corresponds to the D6 result.

* Trust in the Emperor: Score 1 VP at the end of your turn if a unit with the Act of Faith rule destroys an enemy unit. If the unit was under the effects of an Act of Faith, score D3 VPs instead.

* The Blood of Martyrs: Next time one of your Adepta Sororitas characters is slain, score 1 VP. If the model as the Martyrdom rule, score D3 VPs instead.

* A Leap of Faith: Score 1 VP at the end of your turn if you pass at least 1 Act of Faith test during the turn. If you pass 3, score D3 VPs instead. If you pass 6 or more, score D3+3 VPs instead.


Inquisition:

Inquisitors - lost the cheaper power weapon, power fist and plasma pistol options which are now standard price (with the exception of the Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, who can still take 10pt Power Swords but still can't take Power Fists or other Power Weapons).

Inquisitors - Power Armour upgrade reduced to 3pts from 8pts

Inquisitors - lost Servo Skulls

Inquisitors - can now only take the Inquisitorial Relic associated with their Ordos.

Inquisitors - Psyk-Out grenade rules changed to match the updated Grey Knight rules

Ordo Malleus Inquisitors - Can generate from Demonology (Malefic). Does not extend to Coteaz.... (heresy).

Inquisitor Coteaz - Gained the Lord of Formosa special rule. All units in the same detachment as Coteaz are Objective Secured.


Dedicated Transports - Lost Razorbacks and Rhinos, but gained Sororitas Rhinos. Chimeras are still only 55pts, but lost the 5 Fire Points (now work the same as Codex: Astra Militarum ie 2 Fire Points and the Lasgun Arrays rule). Lost the ability to give Inquisitorial Vehicle Upgrades to anything but the Chimera - this means no more Psybolt Land Raider Crusaders. This is because Land Raiders, Sororitas Rhinos and Valkyries come from the Grey Knight, Adepta Sororitas and Aeronautica Imperalis lists respectively, and can only take the Vehicle Upgrades listed in those sections.


Inquisitorial Henchman Warband unit removed.


Psykers Removed (ie no longer an option as a Henchman. Effectively moved to the Adepta Astra Telepathica section, where you can grab Primaris Psykers, Astropaths and Wyrdvane Psykers). Astropaths btw are 25pts for ML1 (Divination and Telepathy), same statline as the Astra Militarum Regimental Advisor. However you can upgrade this one to ML2 for 25pts, give him a Refractor Field for 10pts and also gets a rule where if he manifests a Psychic Power you can re-roll Reserve Rolls in your next turn. Basically a mini Primaris Psyker


Servitors Removed (moved to the Cult Mechanicus section of the book. Plasma Cannon option increased to 15pts from 10pts)


New Unit: Acolytes (Elite). 3 Acolytes for 12pts and can buy up to 9 more for 4pts/model. Same statline and wargear options as previous codex, however the cost of Carapace/Power armour upgrades are cut in half (2 and 5pts respectively). Any Acolyte can be upgraded to a Mystic for 6pts, and gain the same Psychic Beacon rule. Can take Chimeras, Sororitas Rhinos, all 3 Land Raider types or Valkyries as transports.


New Unit: Demonhost (Elite). 1 Demonhost for 10pts. Gains the Demon rule, otherwise identical to previous codex.


New Unit: Jokaero Weaponsmith (Elite). 1 Jokareo Weaponsmith for 35pts. Identical to previous codex.


New Unit: Chimera (Heavy Support). Also lost the 5 fire points, and now works the same as the Astra Militarum one.


New Detachment: Inquisitorial Representative. 1 HQ, optional 3 Elites. One Inquisitor from the formation (including Unique models) can generate a Warlord Trait even if they are not the Warlord.


New Formation: Inquisitorial Henchman Warband. 1 Inquisitor (including Unique models), 1 Unit of Acolytes, 0-1 Ministorum Priests, 0-1 Crusaders, 0-6 Demonhosts, 0-1 Arco-flagellents, 0-1 Death Cult Assassins, 0-1 Tech-Priest Enginseer, 0-6 Jokearo Weaponsmiths, 0-1 Astropaths. All units except the Inquisitor must form a single Unit. Inquisitor can generate a Warlord Trait even if they are not the Warlord. Can include either a Battle Sister Squad, Grey Knight Terminator Squad or Deathwatch Veteran squad in the formation as per your Inquisitors Ordo.

Thanks much for taking the time Goon!

Well it appears there is some silver lining at least.

Is the only thing in there for the Deathwatch just the Veteran Squad? No formation or anything?

Thanks for the update Goon! Glad to see that both acolyte transports and mystics are still a thing.

Can you confirm that Command Squads for the Sisters are an Elite choice? What is the AI formation? The DW?

Veridyan sounds cool.

Are assassins just a copy/paste or anything new?