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I went through the thread before I posted. I just felt puritan on posting something related to the thread before I made an off comment on the guardsman jokes. I'm closing on a house atm, so I'm trying to be prim and proper before I have to get down and dirty on the repairs it will need. Sue me.
"There is a cancer eating at the Imperium. With each decade it advances deeper, leaving drained, dead worlds in its wake. This horror, this abomination, has thought and purpose that functions on an unimaginable, galactic scale and all we can do is try to stop the swarms of bioengineered monsters it unleashes upon us by instinct. We have given the horror a name to salve our fears; we call it the Tyranid race, but if is aware of us at all it must know us only as Prey."
Hive Fleet Grootslang 15000+
Servants of the Void 2000+
Unyielding Hunger wrote: I went through the thread before I posted. I just felt puritan on posting something related to the thread before I made an off comment on the guardsman jokes. I'm closing on a house atm, so I'm trying to be prim and proper before I have to get down and dirty on the repairs it will need. Sue me.
My Strike-team of highly trained lawyers is on the way. I'm going to sue you to kingdom come.
Unyielding Hunger wrote: I went through the thread before I posted. I just felt puritan on posting something related to the thread before I made an off comment on the guardsman jokes. I'm closing on a house atm, so I'm trying to be prim and proper before I have to get down and dirty on the repairs it will need. Sue me.
My Strike-team of highly trained lawyers is on the way. I'm going to sue you to kingdom come.
Whats the stats on those?
Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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Unyielding Hunger wrote: I went through the thread before I posted. I just felt puritan on posting something related to the thread before I made an off comment on the guardsman jokes. I'm closing on a house atm, so I'm trying to be prim and proper before I have to get down and dirty on the repairs it will need. Sue me.
My Strike-team of highly trained lawyers is on the way. I'm going to sue you to kingdom come.
Whats the stats on those?
Veteran statline with one extra toughness and initiative. Their law-based education gives them a 5++ against physic attacks. They have the special rule lawsuit: they can exchange all their attacks by a single one that hits automatically. The opponent must make a leadership, with a minus one modifier per lawyer after the first, and if he fails he's removed from the game. If successful he cannot attack, his efforts have been spent at court.
Lord Kragan wrote: Veteran statline with one extra toughness and initiative. Their law-based education gives them a 5++ against physic attacks. They have the special rule lawsuit: they can exchange all their attacks by a single one that hits automatically. The opponent must make a leadership, with a minus one modifier per lawyer after the first, and if he fails he's removed from the game. If successful he cannot attack, his efforts have been spent at court.
Are they functionally immune to single Missile Launchers? If so they're OP and I will refuse to play you if you field them.
God what a broken game no wonder nobody plays anymore gwpls nerf all ok ty
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This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
The same people who will balk at heavier restrictions on army construction in the rules (e.g., heavy tanks MUST be in the heavy support slot, you may only field 1 heavy tank per heavy support slot, and you may only field 3 heavy supports...NO exceptions), because, they will say, this imposes limits on what people can and can't bring, because this will turn people off from the game, because this will restrict who can and can't play...because people should be able to take whatever the feth they want, you know?
...
...these same people will balk at the idea that the game should ACTUALLY be balanced around the notion that people should ACTUALLY be able to take whatever the feth they want and have a 50/50 shot at winning, independently of player skill...
...and when someone like me complains about the fact that you can, in fact, NOT currently expect this in a game in which it is LITERALLY advertised in the book that you should take what you think looks cool, not what you think you "should" bring...
...you mock me for complaining about power imbalance, about being forced to take either x, y and z or else, lose most of the time, etc., and when I continue to complain, you tell me that I should just quit the game.
I want you to ponder for a moment what you actually have to gain by this kind of behavior.
This is a public forum. Anyone on the internet can read this.
How many people who either play warhammer 40k or are THINKING about playing warhammer 40k think like I do?
I want you to think for a moment about the people who are reading what you are writing in answer to me, LITERALLY mocking me for actually wanting to have a fair shot regardless of list construction (assuming equivalent points) and telling me to quit the game...
...Because that kind of talk is going to draw people in. That kind of people is going to attract new players. That kind of talk is going to encourage people to keep playing and buy more GW products. Right?
Have fun with your progressively shrinking hobby. I hope that you all end up with a massive stock pile of OPGW products and nobody to field them against.
You all deserve it.
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I want you to think for a moment about the people who are reading what you are writing in answer to me, LITERALLY mocking me for actually wanting to have a fair shot regardless of list construction (assuming equivalent points) and telling me to quit the game...
No, we mock you because you have no sense of balance, no willingness to adapt, crazy ideas about what a "proper" army looks like, constantly cry OP then ignore solutions because "i can take whatever I want and should be able to win." What you fail to realize is that if you build a gak list (i.e. yours) you can't expect it to perform well. If you're army can't deal with high toughness/high AV/high model count/2+ armor save, obviously you're going to struggle against anything that falls into that category. And if you then rely on a terrible weapon (bolters) to do all the heavy lifting for you, you're gonna have a rough time period.
And just because something is "advertised" (even if it isn't...) doesn't mean that it's the optimal, or even an effective squad loadout.
If I take NOTHING but crisis suits without weapons or equipment, should I have a 50% chance to win? Of course not. If I bring nothing but cultists, should I have an even chance against land raiders? Should I have an even chance if I bring no synapse creatures in a 'nid army? No, and it's stupid to think you SHOULD have an even chance. If you build a bad list, you will not have an even chance.
Another example, in starcraft, if I bring nothing but zealots (a melee only unit) and my enemy brings mass air units, or siege tanks, should I have an even chance to win? By your logic, yes, I should, even though those are basically direct counters.
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Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
The same people who will balk at heavier restrictions on army construction in the rules (e.g., heavy tanks MUST be in the heavy support slot, you may only field 1 heavy tank per heavy support slot, and you may only field 3 heavy supports...NO exceptions), because, they will say, this imposes limits on what people can and can't bring, because this will turn people off from the game, because this will restrict who can and can't play...because people should be able to take whatever the feth they want, you know?
...
...these same people will balk at the idea that the game should ACTUALLY be balanced around the notion that people should ACTUALLY be able to take whatever the feth they want and have a 50/50 shot at winning, independently of player skill...
...and when someone like me complains about the fact that you can, in fact, NOT currently expect this in a game in which it is LITERALLY advertised in the book that you should take what you think looks cool, not what you think you "should" bring...
...you mock me for complaining about power imbalance, about being forced to take either x, y and z or else, lose most of the time, etc., and when I continue to complain, you tell me that I should just quit the game.
I want you to ponder for a moment what you actually have to gain by this kind of behavior.
This is a public forum. Anyone on the internet can read this.
How many people who either play warhammer 40k or are THINKING about playing warhammer 40k think like I do?
I want you to think for a moment about the people who are reading what you are writing in answer to me, LITERALLY mocking me for actually wanting to have a fair shot regardless of list construction (assuming equivalent points) and telling me to quit the game...
...Because that kind of talk is going to draw people in. That kind of people is going to attract new players. That kind of talk is going to encourage people to keep playing and buy more GW products. Right?
Have fun with your progressively shrinking hobby. I hope that you all end up with a massive stock pile of OPGW products and nobody to field them against.
You all deserve it.
Except thats where your wrong.
No game should ever be 50/50 if you show up with what ever you want.
Case in point, if you show up with a heavy psyker army, and i brink sisters of silence and some culuxes, guess what my army SHOULD! be better then yours because its a counter to it.
Armies are ment to counter one another, they are meant to be an eb and flow kinda thing. No one army should dominate at everything, and if you really read the forms and actually look at what people are saying, thats what we bitch about. The prime example of this is tau, and eldar. Right now those two armies CAN stand toe to toe with any army of any combination and they can win 9/10 times that is NOT balanced.
Each faction has its strengths and each formation you want to bring should have its strengths.
Im sorry dude, but if some one showed up with a flyer army where 75% of it is flying and my 25% of my army is pure AA and it destroys them, thats not a game imbalance, that my opponent not thinking and playing an army that i can counter easily.
Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
The same people who will balk at heavier restrictions on army construction in the rules (e.g., heavy tanks MUST be in the heavy support slot, you may only field 1 heavy tank per heavy support slot, and you may only field 3 heavy supports...NO exceptions), because, they will say, this imposes limits on what people can and can't bring, because this will turn people off from the game, because this will restrict who can and can't play...because people should be able to take whatever the feth they want, you know?
...
...these same people will balk at the idea that the game should ACTUALLY be balanced around the notion that people should ACTUALLY be able to take whatever the feth they want and have a 50/50 shot at winning, independently of player skill...
...and when someone like me complains about the fact that you can, in fact, NOT currently expect this in a game in which it is LITERALLY advertised in the book that you should take what you think looks cool, not what you think you "should" bring...
...you mock me for complaining about power imbalance, about being forced to take either x, y and z or else, lose most of the time, etc., and when I continue to complain, you tell me that I should just quit the game.
I want you to ponder for a moment what you actually have to gain by this kind of behavior.
This is a public forum. Anyone on the internet can read this.
How many people who either play warhammer 40k or are THINKING about playing warhammer 40k think like I do?
I want you to think for a moment about the people who are reading what you are writing in answer to me, LITERALLY mocking me for actually wanting to have a fair shot regardless of list construction (assuming equivalent points) and telling me to quit the game...
...Because that kind of talk is going to draw people in. That kind of people is going to attract new players. That kind of talk is going to encourage people to keep playing and buy more GW products. Right?
Have fun with your progressively shrinking hobby. I hope that you all end up with a massive stock pile of OPGW products and nobody to field them against.
You all deserve it.
Great job generalising an entire hobby's worth of people.
I'm sure you must be the only one who embodies the True Meaning of 40k. You are truly exalted above everyone else who wants to use what you, quite rightly, deem the tools of Cheese and WAAC.
We should be ashamed. /sarcasm
Spoiler:
Without any malice, if you hate the way GW is going, instead of berating it, you can just quit? Perhaps try 30k. But just as you are getting angry that people are telling you what to play, you are doing exactly the same. You are telling people that they are bad if they use anything that makes them smile when they choose it, bad if they buy a Knight (because that could be put to charity), bad if they field a Superheavy (including the underpowered ones like the Baneblade and Malcador) and other such cases.
There's nothing wrong with having a fair game, provided you play the game how the game is now meant to be played. That means moving with the meta, and taking off your 5th Edition tinted glasses, and taking a new look at 40k. If you won't play with what's given to you, how can you hope to win? That's like me trying to climb in a mountain race with no climbing gear - possible, but you're severely handicapping yourself. You're doing just that, and then telling the person with climbing gear they're doing it wrong.
If I take an Unbound list of just one squad of Crisis Suits, completely bare, in a 2000 points list against a tournament standard Eldar army, should I still have a 50/50 chance?
An element of sensibility needs to be accounted for - the sensibility coming from the players taking the right tools for the job, and actually adapting to the meta, instead of demanding the meta change around them.
If there's someone on the internet who has the same opinion as you, Traditio, then it may be better off for them that they don't invest into 40k - it's not a cheap investment, and if they know now that they can't destroy Warlord Titans with bolters, that'll save them a lot of time and stress.
Consider 40k as what it is now, and if you still want to be part of that. Because if you're going to keep complaining and berating the members of that community, you may want to call it quits and salvage whatever's left of the 40k you knew. That's not being aggressive, that's not trying to create hatespeech - that's the best advice I can give you if you're that sick of 40k.
Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
Toxic community wounds my Chapter Master on 2+ how is that balanced gwpls nerf ok ty
The same people who will balk at heavier restrictions on army construction in the rules (e.g., heavy tanks MUST be in the heavy support slot, you may only field 1 heavy tank per heavy support slot, and you may only field 3 heavy supports...NO exceptions), because, they will say, this imposes limits on what people can and can't bring, because this will turn people off from the game, because this will restrict who can and can't play...because people should be able to take whatever the feth they want, you know?
I don't balk at comp restrictions. As long as the comp is sensible, and not just a knee-jerk reaction to stuff that riles up internet whiners, it's usually fine. Problem is that comping is often not done well, particularly at a local level, so you end up creating a "meta" that favours one type of army or playstyle over others. That's not solving a problem, it's just moving it somewhere else.
...these same people will balk at the idea that the game should ACTUALLY be balanced around the notion that people should ACTUALLY be able to take whatever the feth they want and have a 50/50 shot at winning, independently of player skill...
Punchan' a strawman.
What "should" be the case, isn't. I'd love a 40k where I can build a truly balanced army from whatever goofy/ stupid/ cool-ass units I like the look of, but that's not the game we're playing, and I don't think it'll ever be the case unless there's a wholesale re-imagining of 40k's core rules. It's not the Gargants or Super-Heavies or "OP Death Guard Cheese" that prevent me playing whatever I like and winning with it - it's the core rules. Maybe there'll come a day when that's not the case, but in the meantime I'm having plenty of fun playing with the rules we've got at the moment.
...and when someone like me complains about the fact that you can, in fact, NOT currently expect this in a game in which it is LITERALLY advertised in the book that you should take what you think looks cool, not what you think you "should" bring...
Free upgrades aren't the "default" options. If this was the case then every custom IC **should** be running with their basic kit and nothing else, and adding any wargear to them at all would indicate that the game is unbalanced and should be flushed down the toilet or whatever it is you think. There's no "advertising" or advisement going on, just a template upon which you can build. When people tell you you should take whatever you think is cool, they're doing so because they value fluff over competitiveness. If you want to build a TAC army list you just can't do that. The game just doesn't allow for it, and probably never will unless some swingeing changes are made to the core mechanics.
I want you to think for a moment about the people who are reading what you are writing in answer to me, LITERALLY mocking me for actually wanting to have a fair shot regardless of list construction (assuming equivalent points) and telling me to quit the game...
You get gak because of the way you say things, not necessarily because you say them. I can't imagine reading yet another Traditio whine-fest about OP Death Guard Cheese or Magnus Boycotts or whatever is likely to draw much interest from newbies either. If anything that gak is actuively harmful - you want people to believe that these "OP" units represent some kind of impassable barrier to any enjoyment of the game whatsoever, which simply isn't true. Most of these "OP" units **can** be manageable if your army list isn't ass, but you're so obsessed with this idea of taking whatever you like and winning with it that you seem unable to see that.
...Because that kind of talk is going to draw people in. That kind of people is going to attract new players. That kind of talk is going to encourage people to keep playing and buy more GW products. Right?
How would you know what's going to draw players in or chase them away? Your entire schtick is "units should be overcosted garbage because I can't kill WKs with bolters". Nobody is going to play a game where all the units suck ass and you only get ten of them at 2000pts.
Every time you respond to the Troll as if his arguments were legitimate, God makes Guardsmen with Lasguns more OP.
Think of the children, folks! We don't want Guardsmen with Lasguns any more OP than they already are! Keep responding to him like this, and they'll need to be 40, 50, or even eventually 100 points per model! Oh, the humanity!
Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
The same people who will balk at heavier restrictions on army construction in the rules (e.g., heavy tanks MUST be in the heavy support slot, you may only field 1 heavy tank per heavy support slot, and you may only field 3 heavy supports...NO exceptions), because, they will say, this imposes limits on what people can and can't bring, because this will turn people off from the game, because this will restrict who can and can't play...because people should be able to take whatever the feth they want, you know?
...
...these same people will balk at the idea that the game should ACTUALLY be balanced around the notion that people should ACTUALLY be able to take whatever the feth they want and have a 50/50 shot at winning, independently of player skill...
People should not be restricted from taking whatever models they want. But if you take worthless weapons like flamers and bolters, with no anti-armor, against IG armored company, you deserve to lose, as you are using the wrong tools for that situation.
...and when someone like me complains about the fact that you can, in fact, NOT currently expect this in a game in which it is LITERALLY advertised in the book that you should take what you think looks cool, not what you think you "should" bring...
Where in the rulebook does it say that players are entitled to taking units that are ineffective against their opponent and have a chance to win?
...you mock me for complaining about power imbalance, about being forced to take either x, y and z or else, lose most of the time, etc., and when I continue to complain, you tell me that I should just quit the game.
Because your ideas of "power imbalance" are BS.
I want you to ponder for a moment what you actually have to gain by this kind of behavior.
This is a public forum. Anyone on the internet can read this.
Absolutely nothing. I've been at home with a severe fever all week with nothing to do but post on Dakka.
How many people who either play warhammer 40k or are THINKING about playing warhammer 40k think like I do?
One. His name is Traditio.
I want you to think for a moment about the people who are reading what you are writing in answer to me, LITERALLY mocking me for actually wanting to have a fair shot regardless of list construction (assuming equivalent points) and telling me to quit the game...
Because you deserve to be mocked for saying that taking all anti-tank weapons against an infantry list, or all anti-infantry weapons against a tank list should be effective. Countering all possible threats is what TAC lists are for, and I might actually respect you if your idea of what a TAC list is wasn't borderline-delusional.
...Because that kind of talk is going to draw people in. That kind of people is going to attract new players. That kind of talk is going to encourage people to keep playing and buy more GW products. Right?
Have fun with your progressively shrinking hobby. I hope that you all end up with a massive stock pile of OPGW products and nobody to field them against.
You all deserve it.
Sigh. You've hit this level now.
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Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
It is, but not for the reason you think.
...these same people will balk at the idea that the game should ACTUALLY be balanced around the notion that people should ACTUALLY be able to take whatever the feth they want and have a 50/50 shot at winning, independently of player skill...
I keep saying this, and you keep ignoring it: if you bring bad lists you should lose the game. If you bring a Tau list with nothing but crisis suits with no weapons you should lose every game, and if you have anywhere near a 50/50 chance of winning there is something seriously wrong with the game. Balance does not in any way negate the need to use skill in constructing an effective list.
...you mock me for complaining about power imbalance, about being forced to take either x, y and z or else, lose most of the time, etc., and when I continue to complain, you tell me that I should just quit the game.
We mock you because you keep making obvious terrible arguments, often about rules you don't even understand.
How many people who either play warhammer 40k or are THINKING about playing warhammer 40k think like I do?
What's your point? Should we lie to people and tell them that everything is ok so they'll buy a game they won't be happy with once they discover the truth? If you want to blame someone for declining sales blame GW, not the people pointing out that you're wrong.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
I have no shame in saying that the common denominator of the toxicity on these thread is not the broken nature of 40K, it's you. How long is it going to take you to realise this?
Traditio wrote: The same people who will balk at heavier restrictions on army construction in the rules (e.g., heavy tanks MUST be in the heavy support slot, you may only field 1 heavy tank per heavy support slot, and you may only field 3 heavy supports...NO exceptions), because, they will say, this imposes limits on what people can and can't bring, because this will turn people off from the game, because this will restrict who can and can't play...because people should be able to take whatever the feth they want, you know?
...
...these same people will balk at the idea that the game should ACTUALLY be balanced around the notion that people should ACTUALLY be able to take whatever the feth they want and have a 50/50 shot at winning, independently of player skill...
...and when someone like me complains about the fact that you can, in fact, NOT currently expect this in a game in which it is LITERALLY advertised in the book that you should take what you think looks cool, not what you think you "should" bring...
I got nothing...
Traditio wrote: ...you mock me for complaining about power imbalance, about being forced to take either x, y and z or else, lose most of the time, etc., and when I continue to complain, you tell me that I should just quit the game.
If this is what you think is going on, then you've misunderstood by a mile.
Traditio wrote: I want you to ponder for a moment what you actually have to gain by this kind of behavior.
You coming to your senses, hopefully.
Traditio wrote: This is a public forum. Anyone on the internet can read this.
Is that supposed to give you some sort of leeway?
Traditio wrote: I want you to think for a moment about the people who are reading what you are writing in answer to me, LITERALLY mocking me for actually wanting to have a fair shot regardless of list construction (assuming equivalent points) and telling me to quit the game...
Again: If that's what you think we're mocking you for, then you might want to have a think about what's actually going on.
Traditio wrote: Have fun with your progressively shrinking hobby. I hope that you all end up with a massive stock pile of OPGW products and nobody to field them against.
Well if we all enjoyed the hobby enough to justify the expenditure, then ending up with "...a massive stock pile of OPGW products and nobody to field them against" is fine.
Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
I have no shame in saying that the common denominator of the toxicity on these thread is not the broken nature of 40K, it's you. How long is it going to take you to realise this?
NB. There is an "Ignore" button. You might consider it.
Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
I have no shame in saying that the common denominator of the toxicity on these thread is not the broken nature of 40K, it's you. How long is it going to take you to realise this?
NB. There is an "Ignore" button. You might consider it.
I have. I'm only sad it doesn't hide people quoting him.
Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
I have no shame in saying that the common denominator of the toxicity on these thread is not the broken nature of 40K, it's you. How long is it going to take you to realise this?
NB. There is an "Ignore" button. You might consider it.
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Hmm, spirited conversation, this. Is this kind of thread common nowadays? I remember these forums as slightly quieter.
"There is a cancer eating at the Imperium. With each decade it advances deeper, leaving drained, dead worlds in its wake. This horror, this abomination, has thought and purpose that functions on an unimaginable, galactic scale and all we can do is try to stop the swarms of bioengineered monsters it unleashes upon us by instinct. We have given the horror a name to salve our fears; we call it the Tyranid race, but if is aware of us at all it must know us only as Prey."
Hive Fleet Grootslang 15000+
Servants of the Void 2000+
If you think a lasgun is OP, The leman Russ makes any other tank look like toys.
Battle Cannon, wrecks SM in 1 shot, totally OP.
Vanquisher can 1 shot a Land Raider, A LAND RAIDER. THE KING of METAL BAWKES
Exterminator can shred Rhinos THE FEWLS
Executioner can melt TERMINATORS enmass! Demolishers even moreso and can smash bigger tanks! the humanity!
Eradicator can smush any and all tau in cover with anti cover shots!
Punisher will put out more shots than any army by itself!
Annihilator puts the predator to shame!
For even more just remove the turret and you can bolt a Demolisher cannon into its hull and make a vindicator look like a paper box. Or put a giant lasercannon of death and snipe things with it!
Nerf des stuffz. SM tanks shud be bettar than guard!
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Unyielding Hunger wrote: Hmm, spirited conversation, this. Is this kind of thread common nowadays? I remember these forums as slightly quieter.
Only with Dakka's favorite troll taking the bait here. If not for him, things are quieter.
(Sisters of Battle-related stuff and Australian shipping, excluded, of course...)
There's also my ongoing effort to convince Martel the Blood Angels are less terrible than he thinks that occasionally takes random threads off on a funny tangent.
Wow, both sides have managed to make an argument for why I've come to hate the current 40K rules (and community) so much.
If your local GW Stores and/or FLGS's are as hostile as the online community can be, I'm a little worried about the clientele that you've run into at these places haha. I'm just happy that the clientele of the two GW stores I go to are all great people (with the exception of two semi-regulars who sometimes get on my nerves a little).
Traditio wrote: This thread is, once again, an illustration of why 40k as a whole, and the 40k community, is toxic.
I have no shame in saying that the common denominator of the toxicity on these thread is not the broken nature of 40K, it's you. How long is it going to take you to realise this?
NB. There is an "Ignore" button. You might consider it.
You know those things that frustrated and annoy the hell out of you but you somehow still derive enjoyment from it? Well trying to convince Traditio that they are wrong is one of those things for me haha. Plus I have some (possibly misplaced) hope that Traditio might one day wake up haha
Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress 
Hive Fleet Grootslang 
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~16000 Astra Militarum: 
~1200 | Imperial Knights: 
~2300 | Leagues of Votann: 
~3500 | Lumineth Realm-Lords: 
~700
just remove the turret and you can bolt a Demolisher cannon into its hull and make a vindicator look like a paper box. Or put a giant lasercannon of death and snipe things with it!
