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Martel then if your so worried about the land raise imobilising itself why not stop moving it through terrain or get new dice

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Martel then if your so worried about the land raise imobilising itself why not stop moving it through terrain or get new dice

What a font of tactical knowledge you are.

One reason I rate it so poorly is the price tag. At least the pyrovore is fewer points wasted. You have to buy land raiders in increments of 250 points.

Funny I use a land raider in my chaos army. I've never had it imobilise itself ice found either reserving it or using it alongside rhino rush works pretty damn well

Then your opponents are idiots. The chaos land raider is terrible, even against BA. You also either play with very little terrain or are lying about the immobilization thing. You have to test twice for entering the terrain once.

No you don't you only test once. Maybe you should read the rulebook or it could be shock horror i have other units running around that are a bit more scary than a land raider with a lord and his terminator retinue inside

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
No you don't you only test once. Maybe you should read the rulebook or it could be shock horror i have other units running around that are a bit more scary than a land raider with a lord and his terminator retinue inside

You roll when you enter and then roll when you exit. So if you end up on said terrain, that's TWO tests.

Martel732 wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
No you don't you only test once. Maybe you should read the rulebook or it could be shock horror i have other units running around that are a bit more scary than a land raider with a lord and his terminator retinue inside

You roll when you enter and then roll when you exit. So if you end up on said terrain, that's TWO tests.

What page is that in the rulebook cause I can only remember it saying about rolling when you enter terrain not about having to test when you end on terrain but even so there are these marvelous things called dozer blades use them

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
No you don't you only test once. Maybe you should read the rulebook or it could be shock horror i have other units running around that are a bit more scary than a land raider with a lord and his terminator retinue inside

You roll when you enter and then roll when you exit. So if you end up on said terrain, that's TWO tests.

What page is that in the rulebook cause I can only remember it saying about rolling when you enter terrain not about having to test when you end on terrain but even so there are these marvelous things called dozer blades use them

Dozer blades aren't an option on Land Raiders. Unless BA has special treatment on its Land Raiders.

You keep digging in deeper. Anyone care to field that one?

pm713 wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
No you don't you only test once. Maybe you should read the rulebook or it could be shock horror i have other units running around that are a bit more scary than a land raider with a lord and his terminator retinue inside

You roll when you enter and then roll when you exit. So if you end up on said terrain, that's TWO tests.

What page is that in the rulebook cause I can only remember it saying about rolling when you enter terrain not about having to test when you end on terrain but even so there are these marvelous things called dozer blades use them

Dozer blades aren't an option on Land Raiders. Unless BA has special treatment on its Land Raiders.

Chaos can take Dozer Blades. There's no reason Chaos Land Raiders should ever immobilize.

 andysonic1 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
No you don't you only test once. Maybe you should read the rulebook or it could be shock horror i have other units running around that are a bit more scary than a land raider with a lord and his terminator retinue inside

You roll when you enter and then roll when you exit. So if you end up on said terrain, that's TWO tests.

What page is that in the rulebook cause I can only remember it saying about rolling when you enter terrain not about having to test when you end on terrain but even so there are these marvelous things called dozer blades use them

Dozer blades aren't an option on Land Raiders. Unless BA has special treatment on its Land Raiders.

Chaos can take Dozer Blades. There's no reason Chaos Land Raiders should ever immobilize.

Doesn't help most of us does it? Even with Dozer Blades it can still happen which is ridiculous.

 andysonic1 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
No you don't you only test once. Maybe you should read the rulebook or it could be shock horror i have other units running around that are a bit more scary than a land raider with a lord and his terminator retinue inside

You roll when you enter and then roll when you exit. So if you end up on said terrain, that's TWO tests.

What page is that in the rulebook cause I can only remember it saying about rolling when you enter terrain not about having to test when you end on terrain but even so there are these marvelous things called dozer blades use them

Dozer blades aren't an option on Land Raiders. Unless BA has special treatment on its Land Raiders.

Chaos can take Dozer Blades. There's no reason Chaos Land Raiders should ever immobilize.

Outside of them being shot to death, sure.

I have to throw out daemon hosts

Gotta agree land raiders are pretty crap considering they are meant to be the big bad tank for the SM

It's better to pay the extra points for a spartan assault tank.

edit: void

LR are below mediocre but way above bad. If you think LR are bad, you're doing good. It's like poverty in different countries.

Maybe in an absolute sense, but for the cost, I think they are in competition for the worst.

Martel732 wrote:
Maybe in an absolute sense, but for the cost, I think they are in competition for the worst.

For 9 pt above a possessed marine you get a power fist, stormbolter, deepstrike and 2+ armor

 koooaei wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Maybe in an absolute sense, but for the cost, I think they are in competition for the worst.

For 9 pt above a possessed marine you get a power fist, stormbolter, deepstrike and 2+ armor

14 pts for ba. LR is one of the few reliable ways in the game to lose 250 pts to a bush or a single shot.

Land Raiders are not great, but they're not "the worst" by virtue of the fact they have some capacity to kill stuff and not die. Repentia likewise; they are also a dreadful unit that can't compete with the other stuff in the army list for a place on the table, but **if** they get into combat and **if** they get to swing, they'll usually kill something.

I'm changing my answer to Dire Avengers, because they have silly hats and nobody takes them ever.

Hey now. I like those Avengers. Nothing says fun like shooting and running behind terrain to avoid getting shot back.

pm713 wrote:
Hey now. I like those Avengers. Nothing says fun like shooting and running behind terrain to avoid getting shot back.

I mean sure, in terms of gameplay they're not bad units, but those hats are just insane. Running behind cover won't save you if the enemy can see your giant mega-hat (with handy base broom attachment) poking up from behind the wall.

 BBAP wrote:
Land Raiders are not great, but they're not "the worst" by virtue of the fact they have some capacity to kill stuff and not die. Repentia likewise; they are also a dreadful unit that can't compete with the other stuff in the army list for a place on the table, but **if** they get into combat and **if** they get to swing, they'll usually kill something.

I'm changing my answer to Dire Avengers, because they have silly hats and nobody takes them ever.

Been fielding Dire Avengers since I started Eldar, and compared to a lot of other things in the game they are solid. Particulary in previous editions

 BBAP wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Hey now. I like those Avengers. Nothing says fun like shooting and running behind terrain to avoid getting shot back.

I mean sure, in terms of gameplay they're not bad units, but those hats are just insane. Running behind cover won't save you if the enemy can see your giant mega-hat (with handy base broom attachment) poking up from behind the wall.

I like the crests. Besides any terrain that shows them also shows the whole upper body at least where I am.

I get that DA aren't bad units, if only for the extra Wave Serpent - but their hats are half the size of the dudes themselves. That's a three, four foot tall hat right there. And it has a brush on it. How can anyone fight a war wearing a four foot tall brush-hat? How could you do anything? How do they even fit in the Wave Serpent?

40k models having odd proportions is kind of a staple of the product line no?

 Ashiraya wrote:
40k models having odd proportions is kind of a staple of the product line no?

It is - but a four foot tall hat? With a brush on it? Even in a world of Electropriest Jazz-Hands and stick-wielding vulture-monsters that stands out.

 BBAP wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
40k models having odd proportions is kind of a staple of the product line no?

It is - but a four foot tall hat? With a brush on it? Even in a world of Electropriest Jazz-Hands and stick-wielding vulture-monsters that stands out.

What about the rhinos and the fact that the space marine poking his upper body out shouldn't be able to fit because his shoulder pads are too big?

 gummyofallbears wrote:
What about the rhinos and the fact that the space marine poking his upper body out shouldn't be able to fit because his shoulder pads are too big?

... and where do his legs go? Dangling down in the cockpit next to the driver?