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 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
A discussion forum is for ... discussion! Believe it or not. Only one of the two of us is objecting to this being a discussion, DarkStarSabre. And it ain't me.

And yet when there is discussion - you immediately go on the defensive. Adorable.

And who said I was objecting to the discussion. I am objecting to the same old tired whine that bleeds over into multiple threads on a regular basis.

While you are apparently counting chickens before they hatch and believing your army is in dire straits in a campaign supplement's fluff despite all evidence available at the moment showing otherwise.

Hmmm.

To be fair to Manchu GW's recent fluff has been fairly consistent. Chaos Space Marine kills population. X Imperial faction comes in. X Imperial faction loses and/or gets wiped to a man. Space Marine chapter of the day comes in and saves x Imperial faction. Space Marines have some token victory while Chaos runs off into the night cackling like a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
A discussion forum is for ... discussion! Believe it or not. Only one of the two of us is objecting to this being a discussion, DarkStarSabre. And it ain't me.

And yet when there is discussion - you immediately go on the defensive. Adorable.

And who said I was objecting to the discussion. I am objecting to the same old tired whine that bleeds over into multiple threads on a regular basis.

While you are apparently counting chickens before they hatch and believing your army is in dire straits in a campaign supplement's fluff despite all evidence available at the moment showing otherwise.

Hmmm.

To be fair to Manchu GW's recent fluff has been fairly consistent. Chaos Space Marine kills population. X Imperial faction comes in. X Imperial faction loses and/or gets wiped to a man. Space Marine chapter of the day comes in and save x Imperial faction. Space Marine has some token victory while Chaos runs off into the night cackling like a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

Sorry, but did you read the Damocles Gulf stuff? Shield of Baal?

Because that's not even remotely 'consistent' with what happens.

It might be consistent with CSM as the enemy, but there's more than just CSM.

Exactly TheCustomLime - it's not just a problem Sisters fans face. It is just as gakky when it happens to CSM. I am actually hoping Abaddon blows the gak out of Cadia for this very reason. The thing I'm not looking forward to is SoB being the losers here, like GW brought them back just to make them lose. I feel this concern could also apply to the Black Templars.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
A discussion forum is for ... discussion! Believe it or not. Only one of the two of us is objecting to this being a discussion, DarkStarSabre. And it ain't me.

And yet when there is discussion - you immediately go on the defensive. Adorable.

And who said I was objecting to the discussion. I am objecting to the same old tired whine that bleeds over into multiple threads on a regular basis.

While you are apparently counting chickens before they hatch and believing your army is in dire straits in a campaign supplement's fluff despite all evidence available at the moment showing otherwise.

Hmmm.

To be fair to Manchu GW's recent fluff has been fairly consistent. Chaos Space Marine kills population. X Imperial faction comes in. X Imperial faction loses and/or gets wiped to a man. Space Marine chapter of the day comes in and save x Imperial faction. Space Marine has some token victory while Chaos runs off into the night cackling like a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

Sorry, but did you read the Damocles Gulf stuff? Shield of Baal?

Because that's not even remotely 'consistent' with what happens.

It might be consistent with CSM as the enemy, but there's more than just CSM.

Ah, right. Then it's Imperium gets ass kicked, Space Marines have some token victory and the Imperium shrinks just a little more.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
A discussion forum is for ... discussion! Believe it or not. Only one of the two of us is objecting to this being a discussion, DarkStarSabre. And it ain't me.

And yet when there is discussion - you immediately go on the defensive. Adorable.

And who said I was objecting to the discussion. I am objecting to the same old tired whine that bleeds over into multiple threads on a regular basis.

While you are apparently counting chickens before they hatch and believing your army is in dire straits in a campaign supplement's fluff despite all evidence available at the moment showing otherwise.

Hmmm.

To be fair to Manchu GW's recent fluff has been fairly consistent. Chaos Space Marine kills population. X Imperial faction comes in. X Imperial faction loses and/or gets wiped to a man. Space Marine chapter of the day comes in and save x Imperial faction. Space Marine has some token victory while Chaos runs off into the night cackling like a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

Sorry, but did you read the Damocles Gulf stuff? Shield of Baal?

Because that's not even remotely 'consistent' with what happens.

It might be consistent with CSM as the enemy, but there's more than just CSM.

Ah, right. Then it's Imperium gets ass kicked, Space Marines have some token victory and the Imperium shrinks just a little more.

Damocles--Raven Guard lose their Chapter Master, two Chapters(White Scars and Raven Guard) get stomped all over the place and the only 'victory' the Imperium have is that as they pull out of the Gulf they set it ablaze as a giant middle finger to the Tau.
Imperial Guard basically get roflstomped as well.

Tau casualties?
Aun'va killed by a Culexus Assassin(one of four Assassins tasked with going after Aun'va, Shadowsun, and Farsight--the remaining three all died and failed their missions. Vindicare who went after Farsight got killed by Darkstrider, Eversor who went after Farsight got killed by Farsight and maybe scratched the paint on his suit, the Callidus who went after Shadowsun got killed by what was effectively a 'named' Pathfinder Shas'ui.). Aun'va's death is ignored since they just replace him with a hologram.
Shas'ui Starbreeze. A Pathfinder Shas'ui literally introduced to die defending Shadowsun.

 Manchu wrote:

TheTuninator wrote:
Worry about Sisters being marginalized this story seems a bit premature when the one bit of art we have on Cadia so far is Celestine blowing a hole in a Greater Demon whilst descending at the head of an entire army of Seraphim.

I don't know how it can be premature when I am referencing considerably over a decade of the same stuff. And keep in mind that we are talking about Sisters' role in defending Cadia in a book called "the Fall of Cadia."

Let's just refresh our memories about the OP - I did NOT say "GW will feth over Sisters yet again" - I DID say, "please GW do not feth over Sisters yet again."

As much as I love the Sisters, they aren't the faction whose fans need to worry about jobbing in the fall of Cadia. Celestine will assuredly be a tremendous presence in the story.

Guard fans are the ones who should be worried, and for good reason. No world sits closer to the beating heart of IG than Cadia. The Guard failing to hold Cadia would be like the Sisters losing Ophelia or the Ultras losing Macragge, and yet Sisters and BT seem set to form the linchpin of the defense.

By rights, this should be the Guard's moment in the sun, even in failure, and I hope to see the story deliver on that.

TheTruinator, that is a good point and I think there is definitely a lot for people who like IG - as opposed to "Tempestus Scions" or whatever - to be concerned about since Cadia is the home of the previous concept of the IG, which perhaps is on the way out. OTOH, I am hoping this means there will be some new "standard" IG trooper kits on the horizon. The current plastic IG ("Cadians") really need refreshing.

Completely agreed. I would love to see Guard come out of this with some more weather-beaten, hard-bitten Cadians, plus maybe plastics for one or two other regiments.

 Manchu wrote:
TheTruinator, that is a good point and I think there is definitely a lot for people who like IG - as opposed to "Tempestus Scions" or whatever - to be concerned about since Cadia is the home of the previous concept of the IG, which perhaps is on the way out. OTOH, I am hoping this means there will be some new "standard" IG trooper kits on the horizon. The current plastic IG ("Cadians") really need refreshing.

Manchu, I highly doubt that. For 4 pages now, it's been all about SoB need to be updated, refreshed, touted about as the warrior supremes, and now you're saying the IG deserve some recognition. Your OP mentions nothing of the Guard, even though the book that supposedly brings the Sisters doom is called the Fall of Cadia, one of the Guards' major homeworlds. That's pretty scummy.

 jreilly89 wrote:
That's pretty scummy.

LOL no. My posts have consistently advocated for new Sisters stuff in addition to rather than instead of and treating all the factions, not just Sisters, more evenly in the fluff.

Post 1:

... get crushed by Chaos at Cadia?

First off - I love the new kit with Celestine and her Seraphim Guard ... but I wouldn't be a true Sisters fan if I didn't have ... concerns ... about something. And here's what concerns me, aside from still needing to SEE some more plastic Sisters kits: SoB have way too often been the whipping girls for the various enemies of Mankind. The Sisters make a valiant, self-sacrificial last stand against hopeless odds ... in essence, they get Worfed so that whatever flavor of SM shows up to actually save the day gets to really bask in the limelight. It's ... frustrating.

So here is my plea to GW - please please please do not make (or do not have made) Saint Celestine and the SoB the fall girls of Gathering Storm and beyond!

Post 2:

No one here is surprised that GW coddles the SM. The point is, it's overdone. It's boring. It's poor storytelling. It doesn't even make the SM more interesting or special; it just diminishes the brand of every other faction. In a word, it's a dumb way to sell models and GW is just beginning to come out of its decade-long stupidity coma. GW is just beginning to show an interest in what its customers think and want. So now is the time to say, YES making new Sisters models is great THANK YOU and NO PLEASE don't undermine the faction by continuing along with this moronic trope of SM needing to rescue or clean up after the Sisters.

Nothing about this says anything about IG, DE, Orks, or any other faction. It's literally just "Pay attention to MY army!"

For your convenience:

 Manchu wrote:
To be clear - the point is not that CSM shouldn't get new models, or that whatever other faction shouldn't get new models. The point is, SoB also need some new models.

 Manchu wrote:
It is no less annoying when the only reason a CSM storyline exists is so that the SM can triumph

 Manchu wrote:
Exactly TheCustomLime - it's not just a problem Sisters fans face. It is just as gakky when it happens to CSM. I am actually hoping Abaddon blows the gak out of Cadia for this very reason. The thing I'm not looking forward to is SoB being the losers here, like GW brought them back just to make them lose. I feel this concern could also apply to the Black Templars.

And then:

 Manchu wrote:
I am hoping this means there will be some new "standard" IG trooper kits on the horizon. The current plastic IG ("Cadians") really need refreshing.

I'm out, enjoy your Sisters' pity party. Bemoan the fact you're actually getting new releases. That'll encourage GW to pay attention to Sisters' again. /s

TheTuninator wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

TheTuninator wrote:
Worry about Sisters being marginalized this story seems a bit premature when the one bit of art we have on Cadia so far is Celestine blowing a hole in a Greater Demon whilst descending at the head of an entire army of Seraphim.

I don't know how it can be premature when I am referencing considerably over a decade of the same stuff. And keep in mind that we are talking about Sisters' role in defending Cadia in a book called "the Fall of Cadia."

Let's just refresh our memories about the OP - I did NOT say "GW will feth over Sisters yet again" - I DID say, "please GW do not feth over Sisters yet again."

As much as I love the Sisters, they aren't the faction whose fans need to worry about jobbing in the fall of Cadia. Celestine will assuredly be a tremendous presence in the story.

Guard fans are the ones who should be worried, and for good reason. No world sits closer to the beating heart of IG than Cadia. The Guard failing to hold Cadia would be like the Sisters losing Ophelia or the Ultras losing Macragge, and yet Sisters and BT seem set to form the linchpin of the defense.

By rights, this should be the Guard's moment in the sun, even in failure, and I hope to see the story deliver on that.

I hate to break it to you, but the overarching tone of this story's already been written.

Us Guard will lose Cadia. But it ain't over till we're over. Cadians are everywhere. Remember that Cadian Shock Troops, as a Regiment, are just those raised from Cadia herself. There's a whole damn star system full of men and women descended from the same stock, with the same training and equipment. And those men and women have settled elsewhere too. They're serving elsewhere too.

I'm going to quote from "The 13th Black Crusade" book that Black Library published after the campaign.

Ursukar Creed wrote:
Soldiers, I speak to you to tell you to keep faith with the God-Emperor. We have a sacred duty greater than any of us. We are Cadians, we bar the gate to hell; if it is breached, we will seal it.

Wherever you are, recruit, recruit and train. Seek out pious men and bring them under your colours. While the Shock Troops march toward Cadia hope remains. Know that we will never cease the fight while our world lies desecrated and burned. March on my soldiers, march on, till we are together again, tomorrow, on Cadia.

I fully expect Cadia to fall or become a guerrilla campaign.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Bemoan the fact you're actually getting new releases.

Actually reading the posts can be tremendously helpful:

 Manchu wrote:
First off - I love the new kit with Celestine and her Seraphim Guard

 Manchu wrote:
now is the time to say, YES making new Sisters models is great THANK YOU

 Pouncey wrote:
Or would you like me to link you the post where I react to the Celestine photo after having seen it for the first time?

 Pouncey wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/711521.page#9089038

You may notice a level of enthusiam and excitement and happiness in that post which you typically do not associate with me.

Also my reactions to the new models from the N&R thread:

 Manchu wrote:
I have been waiting for this for a long, long time and GW has not disappointed! St Celestine and here Seraphim guards look AMAZING! Cannot wait to get them. Wow painting those long trailing scrolls is pretty intimidating however!

 Manchu wrote:
Wow I am so happy with St Celestine and those Seraphim, I like them more every time I see them. Didn't realize how worried I was that GW would sweep them aside or redesign them into something unrecognizable. But here they are and they look exactly right.

 Manchu wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I do like that they didn't redo the aesthetic, but kept it largely with where we were just better.

This x1000000000 and more, all the way around. Great job GW!

 Manchu wrote:

Davor wrote:
all this time waiting was expecting something more epic

I'm actually very thankful GW did not go too far here. Her wings are already huge, so I am glad they showed some restraint overall especially compared to some of the AoS stuff which, as techically masterful as it is, is sometimes a little bit busy.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
... get crushed by Chaos at Cadia?

First off - I love the new kit with Celestine and her Seraphim Guard ... but I wouldn't be a true Sisters fan if I didn't have ... concerns ... about something. And here's what concerns me, aside from still needing to SEE some more plastic Sisters kits: SoB have way too often been the whipping girls for the various enemies of Mankind. The Sisters make a valiant, self-sacrificial last stand against hopeless odds ... in essence, they get Worfed so that whatever flavor of SM shows up to actually save the day gets to really bask in the limelight. It's ... frustrating.

So here is my plea to GW - please please please do not make (or do not have made) Saint Celestine and the SoB the fall girls of Gathering Storm and beyond!

Just be glad you're getting a new codex and new models. I used to play fantasy when skaven still had an 8 page FAQ. Then we had End Times followed by AoS. I can't play 8th at the GW now and the FAQ isn't around anymore which helped tremendously.

I realize Sisters needed new stuff but at least you are getting new stuff. My game is dead and a couple armies got totally squatted (beastmen and bretonnia). Just realize you're getting something and accept it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Oh and my first army was guard. They're the punching bags of 40k with space marines glory hogging the day for them every single time. Seriously in our 5th ed army book we only won about half the noted battles.

-------

Btw with the exception of End Times which wasn't a full blown army release (and we got only vermin lords and stormfiends which were good) we haven't had an update since probably '08. Also no AoS doesn't count. It didn't add both new models and new rules for an existing game. Most of the skaven model line remains the same since '08 or '09.

It'd probably help if you knew what armies actually got discontinued, namely the fact that it's Bretonnia and TOMB KINGS. Beastmen are both still sold, and infact getting old god specific Tzaangors by the dozen now, they are still within the fluff and enjoying themselves some conquest.

And even the discontinued armies are still given points and are allowed to play in Age of Sigmar.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
... get crushed by Chaos at Cadia?

First off - I love the new kit with Celestine and her Seraphim Guard ... but I wouldn't be a true Sisters fan if I didn't have ... concerns ... about something. And here's what concerns me, aside from still needing to SEE some more plastic Sisters kits: SoB have way too often been the whipping girls for the various enemies of Mankind. The Sisters make a valiant, self-sacrificial last stand against hopeless odds ... in essence, they get Worfed so that whatever flavor of SM shows up to actually save the day gets to really bask in the limelight. It's ... frustrating.

So here is my plea to GW - please please please do not make (or do not have made) Saint Celestine and the SoB the fall girls of Gathering Storm and beyond!

Just be glad you're getting a new codex and new models. I used to play fantasy when skaven still had an 8 page FAQ. Then we had End Times followed by AoS. I can't play 8th at the GW now and the FAQ isn't around anymore which helped tremendously.

I realize Sisters needed new stuff but at least you are getting new stuff. My game is dead and a couple armies got totally squatted (beastmen and bretonnia). Just realize you're getting something and accept it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Oh and my first army was guard. They're the punching bags of 40k with space marines glory hogging the day for them every single time. Seriously in our 5th ed army book we only won about half the noted battles.

-------

Btw with the exception of End Times which wasn't a full blown army release (and we got only vermin lords and stormfiends which were good) we haven't had an update since probably '08. Also no AoS doesn't count. It didn't add both new models and new rules for an existing game. Most of the skaven model line remains the same since '08 or '09.

It'd probably help if you knew what armies actually got discontinued, namely the fact that it's Bretonnia and TOMB KINGS. Beastmen are both still sold, and infact getting old god specific Tzaangors by the dozen now, they are still within the fluff and enjoying themselves some conquest.

And even the discontinued armies are still given points and are allowed to play in Age of Sigmar.

I forgot because i haven't paid attention to Fantasy in GW since they rammed a middle finger up all Fantasy players butts. I care so little about AoS i forgot.

 jreilly89 wrote:
I'm out, enjoy your Sisters' pity party. Bemoan the fact you're actually getting new releases. That'll encourage GW to pay attention to Sisters' again. /s

I'm excited and happy, actually. I believe that the entire range will be updated over the course of 2017, because I can't fathom any reason why GW would stop the updates at two special characters. I know they haven't released EVERYTHING yet, but frankly, I'm not expecting them to, because GW's release strategy stopped being a huge flood of new kits in the first month at least a couple of years ago, and started being just small releases over long periods of time. I even think that's a better way to do it, because it spreads the releases over a long period of time, so players only have to spend their money on a couple of kits each month.

I mean, I don't even care what they do with the lore anymore, because if I wanted to read a good story, I wouldn't turn to WH40k anything, I'd go read a Baen sci-fi book and probably learn some things in the process. Also any canon they do write about the army literally does not affect my personal army, because my personal army's fanfiction makes them not part of the Imperium anymore.

Initially I was sad about Celestine not being in C:IA, but then I was like, "Wait, my not-Celestine is my least-favorite character in my fanfiction, why don't I just write her out of it entirely and make my HQ model my force's actual commander instead?"


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 Manchu wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Bemoan the fact you're actually getting new releases.

Actually reading the posts can be tremendously helpful:

 Manchu wrote:
First off - I love the new kit with Celestine and her Seraphim Guard

 Manchu wrote:
now is the time to say, YES making new Sisters models is great THANK YOU

 Pouncey wrote:
Or would you like me to link you the post where I react to the Celestine photo after having seen it for the first time?

 Pouncey wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/711521.page#9089038

You may notice a level of enthusiam and excitement and happiness in that post which you typically do not associate with me.

Also my reactions to the new models from the N&R thread:

 Manchu wrote:
I have been waiting for this for a long, long time and GW has not disappointed! St Celestine and here Seraphim guards look AMAZING! Cannot wait to get them. Wow painting those long trailing scrolls is pretty intimidating however!

 Manchu wrote:
Wow I am so happy with St Celestine and those Seraphim, I like them more every time I see them. Didn't realize how worried I was that GW would sweep them aside or redesign them into something unrecognizable. But here they are and they look exactly right.

 Manchu wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I do like that they didn't redo the aesthetic, but kept it largely with where we were just better.

This x1000000000 and more, all the way around. Great job GW!

 Manchu wrote:

Davor wrote:
all this time waiting was expecting something more epic

I'm actually very thankful GW did not go too far here. Her wings are already huge, so I am glad they showed some restraint overall especially compared to some of the AoS stuff which, as techically masterful as it is, is sometimes a little bit busy.

Yeah, it's so weird how people who were unhappy and complained for years suddenly become happy and optimistic when you start giving them exactly what they wanted.

aside from still needing to SEE some more plastic Sisters kit

I'm pretty convinced this will won't happen anytime soon, if at all.

I think this new Celestine and the Seraphin guards are just a seperate set for the Fall of Cadia event and is not heralding a new Plastic SoB army. As a purely Sisters collector I'm more than happy to be proved wrong in this but I just don't think it's going to happen as the number of people who would collect Sisters is imo far too small to justify the set-up costs for GW.

I also don't think they will be a wipping boy for Cadia too, it sounds more like the entire Imperium is desperately defending such a strategically important world, and so some Sisters being there is just an obvious addition (Celestine being a small part of the reinforcements for defence).

Ultimately Celestine is a nice addition but not, in my view, a herald of a new SoB army.

 Priestess_Argent wrote:

I think this new Celestine and the Seraphin guards are just a seperate set for the Fall of Cadia event and is not heralding a new Plastic SoB army. As a purely Sisters collector I'm more than happy to be proved wrong in this but I just don't think it's going to happen as the number of people who would collect Sisters is imo far too small to justify the set-up costs for GW.

I think that's a justifiable suspicion, but GW has done whole army lists and ranges for more marginal forces in the pretty recent past - Militarum Tempestus and Harlequins spring to mind. Heck, Dark Eldar don't have that much more of an extensive range. Plus, there's a lot of room to come up with some new stuff.

Even if they kept the range the way it is, plastic kits wouldn't be an unreasonable investment, because GW wouldn't need too many. A kit for foot Sisters covers Command Squads, Celestians, Battle Sisters Squads, Dominions, and Retributors. Release a Rhino/Immolator kit - maybe if Sisters players are really lucky, it'll be an Immolator/Repressor kit. A kit for the Exorcist. A kit for Seraphim. Repentia can stay in pewter or resin. 4 Plastic kits can cover the entire range. GW could even cheap out and make it 3 by doing a combined Immolator/Exorcist kit - which at this point really only involves creating a new box. Maybe it'd be a little more involved if they make the Exorcist an all-plastic kit. Point is, it wouldn't actually take that much investment on GW's part.

Let's just address the real elephant in the room: if Sisters really go full plastic we won't have the ability to fight off bears using our army cases.

I have a feeling that Celestine is a Primarch equivalent model for all of the Imperials that wont get their own. And is not a herald of plastic sisters.

I don't know. I rather expect GW to push new stuff for Sisters first and then ride the hype train by updating the older stuff second.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Let's just address the real elephant in the room: if Sisters really go full plastic we won't have the ability to fight off bears using our army cases.

The easiest way to fight off a bear isn't clubbing it in the face, it's convincing it you're no longer a threat so it decides to wander off and go find food. I forget what the precise methodology there is, but if I lived somewhere that I fought bears often enough to choose my WH40k army around it, I'd probably look it up. Also I'd probably get a permit to carry a shotgun, explaining my reasoning for needing such a high-powered weapon as, "Bear attacks are a frequent problem in my life."


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't know. I rather expect GW to push new stuff for Sisters first and then ride the hype train by updating the older stuff second.

So long as it all gets updated relatively quickly, I don't care what order they do it in. I'd have wait for some parts of the range anyways, and I'm in it for the long haul so waiting a year or two to get everything is fine with me.


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 Crimson Devil wrote:
I have a feeling that Celestine is a Primarch equivalent model for all of the Imperials that wont get their own. And is not a herald of plastic sisters.

If the other factions need a Primarch equivalent, they'd just get a big, honkin' vehicle.

Like a Baneblade or Titan.

Which they already have.


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 Priestess_Argent wrote:

aside from still needing to SEE some more plastic Sisters kit

I'm pretty convinced this will won't happen anytime soon, if at all.

I think this new Celestine and the Seraphin guards are just a seperate set for the Fall of Cadia event and is not heralding a new Plastic SoB army. As a purely Sisters collector I'm more than happy to be proved wrong in this but I just don't think it's going to happen as the number of people who would collect Sisters is imo far too small to justify the set-up costs for GW.

I also don't think they will be a wipping boy for Cadia too, it sounds more like the entire Imperium is desperately defending such a strategically important world, and so some Sisters being there is just an obvious addition (Celestine being a small part of the reinforcements for defence).

Ultimately Celestine is a nice addition but not, in my view, a herald of a new SoB army.

I honestly can't fault you for being skeptical and preferring to wait for the squad kits to become available.

I just don't agree. But that's fine, my opinion that more kits are coming is purely an assumption that makes sense to me, and I don't expect anyone else to agree if they have doubts.

The joke was the army won't be heavy enough to give a bear a concussion.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The joke was the army won't be heavy enough to give a bear a concussion.

That's an upside rather than a downside for me, personally.

 Pouncey wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The joke was the army won't be heavy enough to give a bear a concussion.

That's an upside rather than a downside for me, personally.

Given that we're probably going to be keeping our old pewter-brick-stapled-to-a-plastic-Rhino Exorcists (because they're fantastic) the army might remain heavy enough to give a smaller animal a concussion. Perhaps a hostile dog.

Damn right those exorcists are fantastic, they're the only Imperial vehicle capable of doing wheelies which automatically makes them the most awesome.

 n0t_u wrote:
Damn right those exorcists are fantastic, they're the only Imperial vehicle capable of doing wheelies which automatically makes them the most awesome.

Tauroses (the FW dunebuggies, not the silly multi-tracked MRAP things with an 'x' in their name) can definitely do wheelies, but they aren't covered in baroque murals and topped with a pipe organ, so they've got to come second.

I meant physically and by themselves as well.