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Vash108 wrote: I guess we will get to see how this guys views skew his ability to interpret the law, if at all. But judging from previous cases I am going to say so.
I know right, because Team Blue would have supported him right? Sure....
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
Wouldn't be too hard to imagine, I settle my case.
But what significance or historical lesson would be given for students visiting the Great Wall of Trump? "Here's a pretty dull looking wall that we built at great expense for no reason"? "here's a wall we built to keep illegal immigrants out, but it didn't work"? "Here's what happens when you vote for an ignorant populist"?
All of the walls above have some historical significance, and were there for some valid reason. It's also worth noting that none of the above walls actually worked at keeping people out (I don't know about the walls of Babylon, but the rest all failed in their primary function). Given that none of those walls worked, which is part of the history of them, why do you expect the Trump wall to do any better?
Easy. The Great Wall of Trump would be the gaudiest public work in human history...
Frazzled gets the idea! Look I am generally a very creative person, and I think for the US's future creative thinking is needed and more of a national pride in itself. More progress can be done working to make things better than blocking things on the drawing board. If everyone bar the few on this discussion were put in charge little if anything would change, apart from a different set of people bickering and moaning. I am trying to liven this conversation up rather than laying on the hate, a part from droning on has anyone got any good suggestions?
Sometimes, a massive project is just a boondoggle. Trump's ridiculous wall is one of those things.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
kronk wrote: Hey honey! Let's go to BFE West Texas where it's 100F in the shade, nothing to do but feth or meth, and stare at an ugly wall!
Hey now. Under the guidance of wall-tourism administrator Sentinel1 the wall wouldn't be ugly, but " architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind."
I guess building double walls would make the project even more expensive, but I reckon the tourism could pull in even more than 60 billion$. (plus, Mexico is paying anyway right?)
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
None of them worked either.
I think it could be argued Hadrian's wall worked. At least as long as the Roman legions stayed to man it.
East Berlin.
Korean DMZ.
These walls worked quite well.
However, as noted, an in depth security screen would be better at both interdicting human trafficking and drug trafficking.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The McConnell rule needs to be permanent. If the GOP get their guy on SCOTUS, it will reward them for breaking the system last year, and they'll just keep doing it.
Anyone heard about the situation in LA with CBP refusing to be served a court order unless instructed to by Trump and the US Marshalls refusing to serve them the court's contempt charge unless instructed to by Trump? How is that not a crisis?
I swear, it feels like we're watching Babylon 5 and we're only about 5 episodes away from Severed Dreams...
kronk wrote: Hey honey! Let's go to BFE West Texas where it's 100F in the shade, nothing to do but feth or meth, and stare at an ugly wall!
Hey now. Under the guidance of wall-tourism administrator Sentinel1 the wall wouldn't be ugly, but " architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind."
I guess building double walls would make the project even more expensive, but I reckon the tourism could pull in even more than 60 billion$. (plus, Mexico is paying anyway right?)
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
None of them worked either.
I think it could be argued Hadrian's wall worked. At least as long as the Roman legions stayed to man it.
East Berlin.
Korean DMZ.
These walls worked quite well.
However, as noted, an in depth security screen would be better at both interdicting human trafficking and drug trafficking.
They did (do, in the case of the Korean DMZ).
But they didn't (don't) exactly bring in a lot of tourism swag to DDR of DPRK now did/do they?
And the Korean DMZ isn't exactly a continuous physical wall across the peninsula but a much more varied (and thus more effective) multi-layered defence network.
kronk wrote: Hey honey! Let's go to BFE West Texas where it's 100F in the shade, nothing to do but feth or meth, and stare at an ugly wall!
Hey now. Under the guidance of wall-tourism administrator Sentinel1 the wall wouldn't be ugly, but " architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind."
I guess building double walls (some of which are " architecturally interesting") would make the project even more expensive, but I suppose the tourism will have to pull in even more than 60 billion$. (although, Mexico is paying anyway right?)
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
None of them worked either.
I think it could be argued Hadrian's wall worked. At least as long as the Roman legions stayed to man it.
Yes! And to all doubters the second wall (tourist wall) could be mass produced at minimal expense; via means of prefabricated construction it can be built cheaply and quickly. How may you ask? Well sections of wood/metal skeleton structure covered in realistic plaster & mesh, fiberglass, fake concrete effect etc. The results would also be quality as you could have a very realistic wall in an shape or form, just like off movie sets or series like Game of Thrones. So it is not at all far fetched. Don't forget wall merchandising too! Finally to those that say having a structure that could be ugly, interesting and a tourist destination, look no further than many other wacky places of interest around the world.
Now all points covered we should get back on solid ground before this discussion goes off the rails.
It's also worth noting East germany weren't stupid enough to build a physical wall along the entire border to West germany. That was only in Berlin and other geographically limited areas. Most of the border was guarded by simple fences, patrols etc,
There's also the major difference of a barrier aiming to keep your own population in, and keeping another population out.
I think you need to up your trolling though, Sentinel1. You're too ridiculous with this talk for people to take you serious.
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“We took some unprecedented actions today due to the unprecedented obstruction on the part of our colleagues. As I noted earlier, the Senate Finance Committee has traditionally been able to function in even the most divisive political environments. Personally, as longtime member of this committee, I have been proud of that distinction. And, in my time as both Ranking Member and Chairman of this committee, I have bent over backwards to preserve its unique status as one of the few places where Republicans and Democrats not only work together, but achieve results. That all changed yesterday. Republicans on this committee showed up to do our jobs. Yesterday, rather than accept anything less than their desired outcome, our Democrat colleagues chose to cower in the hallway and hold a press conference. Now, I get that my colleagues think these nominees are controversial. I get that they don’t want to see them confirmed. We’ve all been in that situation. It comes part and parcel with the job of being a Senator. And, this is hardly the first time a nominee deemed to be controversial has come before this committee.”
Dude.. Hatch is the old guard Senator who would usually be counted on to NOT change the senate's filibuster rule... after this? I'm not sure it's a good idea for democrats to piss him off...
Hatch just removed the rule that required both parties present for quorom.... meaning, Steve Mnuchin and Tom Price moves to Senate floor for confirmation vote.
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Sentinel1 wrote: I am trying to liven this conversation up rather than laying on the hate, a part from droning on has anyone got any good suggestions?
Yes.
Don't throw stupid money at a fething wall that will do nothing. Throw money at our fething schools, roads, and bridges.
Don't let us become a nation full of Sentinel1's. No offense, but turn of Fox News and read a fething book.
Kronk get it. I wish we would turn more money into our education system. We cut funding for education every year, for example look at Alabama. Around 25 years in a row funding has been cut. Some people are all for tax cuts on corporations and hand wave away the fact some CEO's make 500% or more of actual workers, but won't fight for the people who teach your fething children.
kronk wrote: Hey honey! Let's go to BFE West Texas where it's 100F in the shade, nothing to do but feth or meth, and stare at an ugly wall!
Hey now. Under the guidance of wall-tourism administrator Sentinel1 the wall wouldn't be ugly, but " architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind."
I guess building double walls would make the project even more expensive, but I reckon the tourism could pull in even more than 60 billion$. (plus, Mexico is paying anyway right?)
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
None of them worked either.
I think it could be argued Hadrian's wall worked. At least as long as the Roman legions stayed to man it.
East Berlin.
Korean DMZ.
These walls worked quite well.
Hrm, sort of. Both proved penetrable to some degree, both largely served to keep the people of one side *in* rather than the other side *out*, and employed large and active garrisons of *soldiers* (not just civilian law enforcement) and equipment and were/are actively killing people attempting to cross, and neither are seen...positively by almost anyone, and in the case of the Berlin wall proved a striking rod for opposition and ultimately were there as admissions of the failure of policies of leaders to work effectively with others.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
kronk wrote: Hey honey! Let's go to BFE West Texas where it's 100F in the shade, nothing to do but feth or meth, and stare at an ugly wall!
Hey now. Under the guidance of wall-tourism administrator Sentinel1 the wall wouldn't be ugly, but " architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind."
I guess building double walls would make the project even more expensive, but I reckon the tourism could pull in even more than 60 billion$. (plus, Mexico is paying anyway right?)
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
None of them worked either.
I think it could be argued Hadrian's wall worked. At least as long as the Roman legions stayed to man it.
East Berlin.
Korean DMZ.
These walls worked quite well.
Hrm, sort of. Both proved penetrable to some degree, both largely served to keep the people of one side *in* rather than the other side *out*, and employed large and active garrisons of *soldiers* (not just civilian law enforcement) and equipment and were/are actively killing people attempting to cross, and neither are seen...positively by almost anyone, and in the case of the Berlin wall proved a striking rod for opposition and ultimately were there as admissions of the failure of policies of leaders to work effectively with others.
Would be nice if we worked on bringing people together rather than keeping them apart. The human race will never evolve this way.
I think no one can disagree with this. The only problem is we will never be a perfect society, unfortunately there will still be stupid wars, corruption and extremists blocking the path.
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“We took some unprecedented actions today due to the unprecedented obstruction on the part of our colleagues. As I noted earlier, the Senate Finance Committee has traditionally been able to function in even the most divisive political environments. Personally, as longtime member of this committee, I have been proud of that distinction. And, in my time as both Ranking Member and Chairman of this committee, I have bent over backwards to preserve its unique status as one of the few places where Republicans and Democrats not only work together, but achieve results. That all changed yesterday. Republicans on this committee showed up to do our jobs. Yesterday, rather than accept anything less than their desired outcome, our Democrat colleagues chose to cower in the hallway and hold a press conference. Now, I get that my colleagues think these nominees are controversial. I get that they don’t want to see them confirmed. We’ve all been in that situation. It comes part and parcel with the job of being a Senator. And, this is hardly the first time a nominee deemed to be controversial has come before this committee.”
Dude.. Hatch is the old guard Senator who would usually be counted on to NOT change the senate's filibuster rule... after this? I'm not sure it's a good idea for democrats to piss him off...
Hatch just removed the rule that required both parties present for quorom.... meaning, Steve Mnuchin and Tom Price moves to Senate floor for confirmation vote.
That's rich, coming from the same people who refused to OK even the most uncontroversial and non-political of Obama's nom. But anything to go "Grr, liberals grr," I guess.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
ND House Defeats Blue Law Change Because Wives Spend Too Much And Should Bring Husbands Breakfast In Bed
Yesterday the North Dakota House of Representatives voted against removing North Dakota’s ‘blue laws’ that prevent businesses from opening before noon on Sunday. The bipartisan change in HB 1163, introduced by Democratic-NPL Representative Pam Anderson, would have allowed businesses to decide when to open their doors.
In North Dakota, we pride ourselves on limited government or at least that is what you hear every election cycle. “Get government out of the way.” or “We must eliminate burdensome government regulations on business.” or “Free market capitalism!” What bigger government regulation is there than telling a business when they can and cannot be open to turn a profit.
I watched the floor debate to get a better understanding of why legislators decided this specific government barrier on business must stay. Here is what I learned:
My wife has no problem spending everything I earn in six and a half days. – Rep. Vernon Laning
Governments generally have taken enough steps, and individuals on their own accord have done enough to push God out of their lives. – Rep. Sebastian Ertelt
Maybe you don’t go to church. I’ve got some suggestions…Make him [husband] breakfast and bring it to him in bed. – Rep. Bernie Satrom
So let me see if I’m following correctly. North Dakota government should continue to tell businesses they cannot be open on Sunday’s before noon because hopefully your wife spent the money you earned on groceries during one of the six and a half days the store is allowed to be open so that she can make you breakfast in bed. And though Rep. Ertelt typically wants you to stay home and make more babies, you should at least get out of the house for church on Sunday morning.
UPDATE: The ND House just reconsidered HB 1163 and it passed 48-46. It will now move onto the Senate. Rep. Laning, Ertelt, and Satrom remained on the ‘no’ side.
N. dakota crops up quite often with ..err....... oddities ...like this.
Oil in the water or something is it ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
kronk wrote: Hey honey! Let's go to BFE West Texas where it's 100F in the shade, nothing to do but feth or meth, and stare at an ugly wall!
Hey now. Under the guidance of wall-tourism administrator Sentinel1 the wall wouldn't be ugly, but " architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind."
I guess building double walls would make the project even more expensive, but I reckon the tourism could pull in even more than 60 billion$. (plus, Mexico is paying anyway right?)
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
None of them worked either.
I think it could be argued Hadrian's wall worked. At least as long as the Roman legions stayed to man it.
East Berlin.
Korean DMZ.
These walls worked quite well.
Hrm, sort of. Both proved penetrable to some degree, both largely served to keep the people of one side *in* rather than the other side *out*, and employed large and active garrisons of *soldiers* (not just civilian law enforcement) and equipment and were/are actively killing people attempting to cross, and neither are seen...positively by almost anyone, and in the case of the Berlin wall proved a striking rod for opposition and ultimately were there as admissions of the failure of policies of leaders to work effectively with others.
Would be nice if we worked on bringing people together rather than keeping them apart. The human race will never evolve this way.
To quote the greatness of Megatron:"heroic nonsense."
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: What part of "death to America" is...difficult for you?
The part where “Death to America” means “Here is a good reason to ban Iranians from entering in the US”.
“Death to America” is a four words sentence, which means that the person saying it wishes bad things to happen to the United States of America. Hence I could understand not wanting to allow the people that utter this phrase to enter the US. I don't understand the weird logical leap where this justify a ban of people who never said that phrase in their life. Enlighten me.
Frazzled wrote: Yes we will miss the intellectual powerhouse that is Yemen.
Your derisive jape is very representative of what I mentioned earlier about how uneducated on the subject, ignorant US citizen base themselves purely on harmful, stupid stereotypes. And you have no excuses, because I already shown how Iranian immigrants in the US are usually very skilled people that have a lot to bring to the US.
Let me write this all again for you to read, maybe this time you will do it.
Here is what the Wikipedia article introduction has to say about Iranian Americans: “Iranian Americans are among the highest educated people in the United States. They have historically excelled in business, academia, the sciences, arts, and entertainment – but have traditionally shied away from participating in American politics and other civic activities.” Don't just stop there, go read the entire article, where you will find more, and don't forget to check the actual sources listed in the article.
Other excerpts from the Wikipedia article:
The Small Business Administration (SBA) conducted a study that found Iranian immigrants among the top 20 immigrant groups with the highest rate of business ownership, contributing substantially to the U.S. economy. According to the report, there were 33,570 active and contributing Iranian American business owners in the U.S., with a 21.5% business ownership rate. The study also found that the total net business income generated by Iranian Americans was $2.56 billion. Almost one in three Iranian American households have annual incomes of more than $100K (compared to one in five for the overall U.S. population). Ali Mostasahri a founding member of the Iranian Studies Group, offers a reason for the relative success of Iranian-Americans compared to other immigrants. He believes that unlike many other immigrants who left their home countries because of economic hardships, Iranians left due to social or religious reasons like the 1979 revolution. About 50 percent of all working Iranian Americans are in professional and managerial occupations, greater than any other group in the United States (Bayor, 2011).
As further stipulated by Prof. Ronald H. Bayor, from the very beginning, Iranian immigrants differed from other arrivals by their highly educational and professional achievements. According to Census 2000, 50.9 percent of Iranian immigrants have attained a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 28.0 percent national average. According to the latest census data available, more than one in four Iranian-Americans holds a master's or doctoral degree, the highest rate among 67 ethnic groups studied.
I am going to take a guess that you, Frazzled, have never worked in academics, have you? As someone who hold a Ph.D. and is a published author of scientific articles, I am telling you that you should definitely drop the misplaced nationalism about “intellectual powerhouse”. You are not an intellectual powerhouse, and you are not part of an intellectual powerhouse, and you wouldn't be able to determine if someone is a skilled researcher or not if your life depended on it, would you? Maryam Mirzakhani is an intellectual powerhouse though. But you wouldn't let her in the US because, uh, she comes from the same country that someone who postured “Death to America” when they really thought “Death to Saudi Arabia”. Oh wait, I said “in the same country, that was giving you too much credit as you somehow switched from Iran to Yemen for no reason.
Your whole discourse point to a lack of reflection and a huge reliance on prejudice. “Death to America” is not a counter-argument, it's a vague appeal to emotions from a short-sighted person unable to make the distinction between one Iranian and another. Repeating it as if it was a self-evident truth is the end of rational discourse. But hey, it's ”common sense” that “brown middle-eastern people” are uneducated idiots that are radical Muslims and hate America, right? If reality disagree you will just rely on “alternative facts”.
Ahah I said you were not qualified on judging people's academic worth, I'm so banned for breaking Rule #1 right now .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Because it gives better result. Look at history.
Here, this is an interesting read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal Look at the list of recipients. Those are clearly among the very, very best mathematicians. Now, look at those who work in the US, and check where they were born. Here is the question: do you want the most intelligent people working in a US university, for the profit of the US, or do you want them working somewhere else, and with a grudge against the US? As I said though, it's all the better for Europe.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Nations that dont play well with others tend to fall behind. Autarky is not an effectice economic model...anywhere. the greatest empires have ensured their success through trade and exchange, not through isolation.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
Frazzled wrote: What part of "death to America" is...difficult for you?
The part where “Death to America” means “Here is a good reason to ban Iranians from entering in the US”.
“Death to America” is a four words sentence, which means that the person saying it wishes bad things to happen to the United States of America. Hence I could understand not wanting to allow the people that utter this phrase to enter the US. I don't understand the weird logical leap where this justify a ban of people who never said that phrase in their life. Enlighten me.
Frazzled wrote: Yes we will miss the intellectual powerhouse that is Yemen.
Your derisive jape is very representative of what I mentioned earlier about how uneducated on the subject, ignorant US citizen base themselves purely on harmful, stupid stereotypes. And you have no excuses, because I already shown how Iranian immigrants in the US are usually very skilled people that have a lot to bring to the US.
Let me write this all again for you to read, maybe this time you will do it.
Here is what the Wikipedia article introduction has to say about Iranian Americans: “Iranian Americans are among the highest educated people in the United States. They have historically excelled in business, academia, the sciences, arts, and entertainment – but have traditionally shied away from participating in American politics and other civic activities.” Don't just stop there, go read the entire article, where you will find more, and don't forget to check the actual sources listed in the article.
Other excerpts from the Wikipedia article:
The Small Business Administration (SBA) conducted a study that found Iranian immigrants among the top 20 immigrant groups with the highest rate of business ownership, contributing substantially to the U.S. economy. According to the report, there were 33,570 active and contributing Iranian American business owners in the U.S., with a 21.5% business ownership rate. The study also found that the total net business income generated by Iranian Americans was $2.56 billion. Almost one in three Iranian American households have annual incomes of more than $100K (compared to one in five for the overall U.S. population). Ali Mostasahri a founding member of the Iranian Studies Group, offers a reason for the relative success of Iranian-Americans compared to other immigrants. He believes that unlike many other immigrants who left their home countries because of economic hardships, Iranians left due to social or religious reasons like the 1979 revolution. About 50 percent of all working Iranian Americans are in professional and managerial occupations, greater than any other group in the United States (Bayor, 2011).
As further stipulated by Prof. Ronald H. Bayor, from the very beginning, Iranian immigrants differed from other arrivals by their highly educational and professional achievements. According to Census 2000, 50.9 percent of Iranian immigrants have attained a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 28.0 percent national average. According to the latest census data available, more than one in four Iranian-Americans holds a master's or doctoral degree, the highest rate among 67 ethnic groups studied.
I am going to take a guess that you, Frazzled, have never worked in academics, have you? As someone who hold a Ph.D. and is a published author of scientific articles, I am telling you that you should definitely drop the misplaced nationalism about “intellectual powerhouse”. You are not an intellectual powerhouse, and you are not part of an intellectual powerhouse, and you wouldn't be able to determine if someone is a skilled researcher or not if your life depended on it, would you? Maryam Mirzakhani is an intellectual powerhouse though. But you wouldn't let her in the US because, uh, she comes from the same country that someone who postured “Death to America” when they really thought “Death to Saudi Arabia”. Oh wait, I said “in the same country, that was giving you too much credit as you somehow switched from Iran to Yemen for no reason.
Your whole discourse point to a lack of reflection and a huge reliance on prejudice. “Death to America” is not a counter-argument, it's a vague appeal to emotions from a short-sighted person unable to make the distinction between one Iranian and another. Repeating it as if it was a self-evident truth is the end of rational discourse. But hey, it's ”common sense” that “brown middle-eastern people” are uneducated idiots that are radical Muslims and hate America, right? If reality disagree you will just rely on “alternative facts”.
Ahah I said you were not qualified on judging people's academic worth, I'm so banned for breaking Rule #1 right now .
Congrats. I haven't put someone on ignore in years.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
If you're not a moderator it's really not your business to police other users.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Sentinel1 wrote: The problem with intellectuals is they think they have the answer, but in reality just aren't practical.
Thats an issue with people in general, not intellectuals. The idea that "intellectuals" are all pie in the sky ivory tower types that have no concept of the real world is somewhat ridiculous, they live and breathe their subject matter and its relation to the real world, and such characterizations are, in many cases, inaccurate or used to shift blame.
Often the issue is people either executing things incorrectly or having political intransigence shoot it down, not because the ideas are fundamentally impractical.
One of my econ professors in college, a naval reserve officer and professional agricultural economist, was once burned in effigy (no joke) in a protest by a..."intransigent" farm trade group over one of his proposals in Montana years ago and was similarly labelled as being "too impractical" and "out of touch" (and other...less flattering things). Well, funnily enough, the end result was just that nobody in that trade group had any clue of what they were talking about and were just reacting because the proposal came from the "wrong" party in their eyes, but once put through saved most of them 5-10% in water usage and gobs of legal wrangling and the apocalypse did not come to pass. But had they had their way, this professor would have been tossed out and his proposals quashed.
Sure, there are "ivory tower" types, but not as many as are made out to be, particularly in areas of their subject expertise.
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“We took some unprecedented actions today due to the unprecedented obstruction on the part of our colleagues. As I noted earlier, the Senate Finance Committee has traditionally been able to function in even the most divisive political environments. Personally, as longtime member of this committee, I have been proud of that distinction. And, in my time as both Ranking Member and Chairman of this committee, I have bent over backwards to preserve its unique status as one of the few places where Republicans and Democrats not only work together, but achieve results. That all changed yesterday. Republicans on this committee showed up to do our jobs. Yesterday, rather than accept anything less than their desired outcome, our Democrat colleagues chose to cower in the hallway and hold a press conference. Now, I get that my colleagues think these nominees are controversial. I get that they don’t want to see them confirmed. We’ve all been in that situation. It comes part and parcel with the job of being a Senator. And, this is hardly the first time a nominee deemed to be controversial has come before this committee.”
Dude.. Hatch is the old guard Senator who would usually be counted on to NOT change the senate's filibuster rule... after this? I'm not sure it's a good idea for democrats to piss him off...
Hatch just removed the rule that required both parties present for quorom.... meaning, Steve Mnuchin and Tom Price moves to Senate floor for confirmation vote.
That's rich, coming from the same people who refused to OK even the most uncontroversial and non-political of Obama's nom. But anything to go "Grr, liberals grr," I guess.
Every time someone talks about "this is the most emberrasing moment in senate history" I get flashbacks of Inhoffe throwing a snowball in the senate because "I has snowball = global warming fake".
Sentinel1 wrote: The only academics coming out of Mogadishu today are Al-Shabab fanatics.
I'm assuming you have evidence for this sweeping statement or is just what has been read in the Daily Fail? Sweeping statements about people from a certain region is bigotry and to be avoided. Unsurprisingly academics like to have actual evidence before such things are said. It does not surprise me in the least that some folks are willing to disregard research when their own research might have shown their own statements are blatantly wrong. After all if there were no academics in Mogadishu you would have to wonder why they have an entire University...
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Sentinel1 wrote: I am trying to liven this conversation up rather than laying on the hate, a part from droning on has anyone got any good suggestions?
Yes.
Don't throw stupid money at a fething wall that will do nothing. Throw money at our fething schools, roads, and bridges.
Don't let us become a nation full of Sentinel1's. No offense, but turn of Fox News and read a fething book.
IDK, Books are worse then TV sometimes, you can get anything published if you self publish. My uncle is a self publisher of his beliefs in aliens.
Right, but generally speaking someone is better off reading a book than watching TV. Maybe not buying your books from fringe website is another good suggestion, that way you avoid some of the self-published crap.
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