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We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
That is just not how a good business conducts itself. They don't owe us, but they should be significantly better about informing us and keeping us happy. We are that which keeps them in business. Pissing off your fanbase is not a good business decision, usually. So it works both ways. They give us info, we get excited, they release that product, we buy it.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
I'm not sure you grasp how blindingly hostile this attitude is.
"Out soon" is a promise, a two year delay on that is a broken promise, and you're exhibiting withering contempt for people daring to be upset and complain.
2017/10/12 17:03:36
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
To be fair it looks a lot better in these pictures than it did in the leak though. Still don’t like it though.
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
To be fair it looks a lot better in these pictures than it did in the leak though. Still don’t like it though.
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
Did you not see the guns covering it? The 12 Shots is just the main gun.
This tank is ugly, but in a good way. I need one to go with the Repulsors I will eventually get. Scythes of the Emperor Armored Strike Force here I come.
2017/10/12 17:07:16
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
To be fair it looks a lot better in these pictures than it did in the leak though. Still don’t like it though.
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
Did you not see the guns covering it? The 12 Shots is just the main gun.
This tank is ugly, but in a good way. I need one to go with the Repulsors I will eventually get. Scythes of the Emperor Armored Strike Force here I come.
I see them. I also see <Fly> as a likely keyword, as well as titantic, and think Necron Pylons hitting them on 2s and one shotting them to be very, very hilarious.
I'm not sure you grasp how blindingly hostile this attitude is.
"Out soon" is a promise, a two year delay on that is a broken promise, and you're exhibiting withering contempt for people daring to be upset and complain.
It literally isn't, also 'soon' isn't a quantifiable time frame.
Also, Mr Bligh died of cancer when he was not expected to die from cancer. Mr Hoare went to Specialist Games and Mr Wylie was tasked with converting everything over to 8th for 40k. That's the 'holy trinity' of FW writers. This isn't a warehouse of people, that's the trinity. They have an understudy, Emma, who's been learning the craft. But that's prettymuch it.
So, there's a wait. It's not what I want either, but it's a small company within a company and you can either wait for it or ragequit. I know I'm more than happy to sit tight and I'm keen as mustard to have my Dark Mechanicum list already.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
I'm not sure you grasp how blindingly hostile this attitude is.
"Out soon" is a promise, a two year delay on that is a broken promise, and you're exhibiting withering contempt for people daring to be upset and complain.
I’m not meaning to be hostile, so I apologise if anyone feels that way.
Being disappointed about a book not being released is fine. Claiming you’re entitled to them releasing it now, and calling the writers and creators at FW incompetent is a step to far though.
I’m pretty sure everyone would have been furious had it been released in March, only to be invalidated within 8 weeks. The same issue exists now, the Tau codex may not have been written yet. That could really upset the FoC apple cart. For all we know GW could have put a moratorium on FW releasing new books until the dust settles on 8th. They’d be well within their rights, and to be honest, quite sensible to do so.
FW may have teased the book a little early, but let’s be fair to them, the key writer died, and they were handed a new brief to create games and rules for specialist games. By the time it was ready 8th had hit so then had all sorts of rewrites etc to do.
To be fair it looks a lot better in these pictures than it did in the leak though. Still don’t like it though.
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
Did you not see the guns covering it? The 12 Shots is just the main gun.
This tank is ugly, but in a good way. I need one to go with the Repulsors I will eventually get. Scythes of the Emperor Armored Strike Force here I come.
I see them. I also see <Fly> as a likely keyword, as well as titantic, and think Necron Pylons hitting them on 2s and one shotting them to be very, very hilarious.
Did you not read the article at all?
Its 12 shots for each barrel. So 24 -2 damage 3 shots. Id guess its STR 8 though possibly 9.
Then you can take 2 of the large plasma guns from the Primaris dread. So d6 plasma shots each at STR8/9 -4 1/2 damage. OR las rippers. Then it has a heavy bolter and some other minor weapons.
Also its not getting one shotted most likely as it states it has some type of void shields to stop the strongest attacks. It can move and shoot without a -1 and flys.
Its depends on its point cost. Id hope for nothing more then 450 but who knows. But it has descent weapons
2017/10/12 17:57:47
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
In the article it says it has a pair of the guns and they fire 12 shots each. It also mentions sponson mounted "las-rippers" or "plasma eradicators," plus it appears to have a twin heavy bolter on the nose. They also mentioned a storm bolter on the back (adorable).So its going to firing between 30 and 40 shots a turn most likely.
As for horde, they also mentioned that it has a repulsor field that reduces charge range, and they aluded to it giving a benefit in CC. It can also fallback and shoot, so you aren't tying it up anytime soon.
It really is a super heavy hovering Sicaran, especially with those turret guns I wonder if we will see versions of its ancestors variants as well?
On the book front IMO either the Tau codex is out soon(at this stage I'd count early next year as soon) with FoC not far behind, or FW have another book on its way with this beasty in it.
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Also said its grav does damage to Flying units which charge it.
From the video using the primaris and measuring the same primaris to my baneblade it looks to be the same overall height (in fact front of track guard is exactly same height as front of track guard on a baneblade) a third thinner at the front than a baneblade (under three primaris wide while baneblade is 4) but the tank is slightly longer than a baneblade.
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Yes, fellas, yes. I saw the video before the article was out. Video was posted here when I first responded, got the notification from youtube and watched it, then posted.
I apologize for not reading the article before I had access to it.
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We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
You're drawing an artificial distinction between "disappointment" and "dissatisfaction" in order to try and get other people to stop expressing their opinions. "Entitlement" is a nonsense, and so is your complaint.
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It looks like they mashed together two different kits they were working on and called it a day. On the bright side, it doesn't look like just another land raider variant.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
You're drawing an artificial distinction between "disappointment" and "dissatisfaction" in order to try and get other people to stop expressing their opinions. "Entitlement" is a nonsense, and so is your complaint.
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To be honest the Red Scorpion paint job didn't help it at all, but looking at the video I quite like the Astraeus now. It looks like you can swap the Heavy Bolters for Las-cannons like on the Repulsor.
I like the look of the tank, with a solid paintjob it looks a lot better. But a resin vehicle of that size is a big no no for me. I tend to like resin for characters or smaller models. But resin vehicles are not only a pain if there's warping, a pain to assemble and hold together. They also break easier when dropped and cost a crazy amount of money. So cool model, but it's never going to find it's way onto my table.
Breotan wrote: Looks too much like something from Total Annihilation.
This thought makes me like it 500% more.
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