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Good job representing Nurgle!

Since my harbinger is almost always just trying to provide his command buff bubble to as many units as possible, he is rarely in position to give anybody +1 to hit. Except glotkin (who is a good benefactor of it) because most of the times he is just hiding behind him. So I generally go with great destroyer. Someone told me to look at cunning deceiver but it seems like a waste in my army. Any thoughts..ninth?

Also trying to decide if the harbinger is worth it. The 5++ is really nice don't get me wrong. But it forces/incentivizes me to play in such a tight phalanx. Wondering if dropping him for a chaos Sorcerer lord with MoN and making glotkin my general (adding 5 attacks per blightkings unit..with some rerolling all ones) plus having glotty with a 3+ (I always mystic shield
Him) re rolling ones from sorc lord ability would increase his durability. Thoughts? Is harbinger to good to let go of?

The Harbinger ability is units within 7" so if you want to spread out bigger units is the answer. Grouping together smaller units into a few big ones lets it cover a larger area while still leaving one model in range so the unit benefits.

But honestly I am hesitant to give thoughts right now because GHB2 is less than a month away, at which point all of this with shift in various directions. The command traits and artifacts for generic chaos are likely to have tweaks IMO. I would just do whatever's fun until then, maybe try out some crazier strategies for kicks.

A full-on Nurgle battletome is also not too far away even if we don't know exactly, which will certainly shift things up with (hopefully) new units and probably at least a one battalion that is massively OP.

For Nurgle players in general I would advise picking up plaguebearers. They are going to benefit from the upcoming horde meta since they will get a 'massive unit' discount when taken at 30-man. Depending on point shifts (and assuming they fix Skryrefyre) I may take Nurgle to tourneys with 3x30 plaguebearers as battleline!

I don't think NOVA will be using the new ghb2 because books have to be in circulation for for 30 days before the event. Good ideas though. Def stocking up on plaguebearers!!

Will you be updating this thread for ghb2/battletome? Or start a new one??

Update for the GHB2, new thread for the battletome.

Thanks for the great advice! I do have one question with respect to Epidemius. How do you keep him from getting sniped and having your whole strategy just sort of collapse? His command ability is vital for an army built around him, but he's not that tough. I worry that a fast army that can belch out loads of mortal wounds (like Tzeentch) can zip in, assassinate him, and wreck Nurgle's whole day.

Hide him in the back, using LoS blocking terrain or putting him in cover. Thankfully he isn't very squishy, thanks to his armor and disgusting resilience. Sometimes you'll fight an army that you know will be able to kill him, in which case it becomes a strategy of making them expend too much effort in order to do so. More than once I've watched opponents be so focused on killing him that they lost the scenario due to objectives.

Any updated thoughts on what's good for Nurgle in light of GHB changes (or lack thereof when it comes to Daemons...)?

I haven't gotten my hands on it yet, unfortunately :(

-30pts at full size for plaguebearers, apparently -40pts for the Glottkin, Tallyband +100, everything else unchanged :(

 Vomikron Noxis wrote:
Any updated thoughts on what's good for Nurgle in light of GHB changes (or lack thereof when it comes to Daemons...)?

Well the only points change is the Tallyband doubled to 200.
So in that light nothing much have changed, but I think we might be looking at some warscroll changes when the inevitable Nurgle battletome arrives.

I really hope so. Ive got an unpleasant feeling that the battletome will be rotbringers only. Hopefully some good daemon stuff will come out of Blightwar.

 Vomikron Noxis wrote:
-30pts at full size for plaguebearers, apparently -40pts for the Glottkin, Tallyband +100, everything else unchanged :(

If that's the case, I would say 30-man bearer units and Glottkin are even better than before (but they were already some of the best Nurgle options so not much changed), the 'bearers in particular since we'll be seeing hordes more often in the new meta. Tallyband was pretty awesome at 100, at 200 its still solid but only if you are putting 1500+ points in it.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Vomikron Noxis wrote:
-30pts at full size for plaguebearers, apparently -40pts for the Glottkin, Tallyband +100, everything else unchanged :(

If that's the case, I would say 30-man bearer units and Glottkin are even better than before (but they were already some of the best Nurgle options so not much changed), the 'bearers in particular since we'll be seeing hordes more often in the new meta. Tallyband was pretty awesome at 100, at 200 its still solid but only if you are putting 1500+ points in it.

See this is why I like this thread so much! You're much more positive than me! So I've got 90 points spare in my Glottkin list now (70 if I swap out a daemon prince for Epidemius), or more if I change 2x 10 plaguebearers to marauders. What to spend it on? Having a mare of a time designing lists and I like to have something to aim for!

Thanks!

What's the whole list?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Thanks!

What's the whole list?

This is what I was aiming towards, possibly with Epidemius instead of one of the DPs. I'm now saving 40pts on the Glottkin, and another 30 on the plaguebearers, but no idea what to spend them on! Do I swap 2x plaguebearers for marauders to free up a few more points?

Heroes
The Glottkin (480)
- General
Great Unclean One (240)
Daemon Prince Of Nurgle (160)
Daemon Prince Of Nurgle (160)

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (300)
10 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (100)
10 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (100)

Units
3 x Plague Drones Of Nurgle (220)
3 x Plague Drones Of Nurgle (220)

Total: 1980/2000

Swap in one unit of 10x marauders then reserve 100 points to summon the 10x plaguebearers. This has the added benefit of putting you just a hair beneath 2000 points so you can snag a triumph roll against people at 2000 exactly.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Swap in one unit of 10x marauders then reserve 100 points to summon the 10x plaguebearers. This has the added benefit of putting you just a hair beneath 2000 points so you can snag a triumph roll against people at 2000 exactly.

What do I gain by doing that? I've not played many games yet so I'm sure I'm missing something good! Wouldn't it be better to keep the plaguebearers and just add a plague priest or something, or take the marauders and add a chaos sorcerer (or something)?

If you have a plague priest take it hands down, preferably the plague censer version since its a bit better. I didn't realize that a plague priest was on the table, most Nurgle players don't seem to have any. The plague priest works great with plague drones because he can give +1 to wound which combos tremendously well with their locus. On top of glottkin giving each drone 3 extra attacks and you have a very nasty offensive unit.

I should do a plague priest writeup...

Haha ok that settles it then! Yeh I picked one up a while back because he looked great for the price and I wanted to try out some prayers, but haven't had chance to use him yet!

Cool that brings me up to 1990 under the new points, so I'm set! Cheers

So a quick update in regards to the new set of points for Forge World Models.

Plague Ogors - Still alright. Kind of like Chaos Warriors feel free to use them if you like them but within a Nurgle army Blightkings do the same thing better.

Bile Troggoths - Still not amazing for their points but very solid, especially if you are lacking in ranged support.

Plague Toads - Sooo... These guys weren't a bad option but suffered because they are really only good at tanking in an army that already tanks quite well. But now the cost has dropped to 100 points per 3, and perhaps more importantly 320 for a full unit of 12. Now while a significant chunk of points for a unit with limited killing potential, a full unit of 12 plague toads is an amazing buy (particularly if they are being allied into a Pestilens or non-Nurgle army). These models have the disgusting resilience 'save' of other daemons... only on a 4. Effectively this means each model as 8 wounds, and a full unit is 320 points for (what is effectively) 96 wounds!

Pox Leapers - Also got a points drop and are also good for tanking, but not as sweet as the toads due to points efficiency.

Exalted Daemon of Nurgle - Got a non-Rotbringer command ability actually worth using! Its a good option, though the large base size means it may not be as resilient as one might expect. Note that due to battalions not using keywords by default anymore, the Exalted Daemon sadly cannot lead a tallyband.

Is it me that doesn't understand something, or does Daemons of Nurgle have no allies ?

Quick update after going through the GHB;

You will want to go all Nurgle allegiance without allies to access the full Mortal, Daemon, and Pestilens lists. Blightkings are battleline for Nurgle and not just Mortal Nurgle now, so I would say at least one plague priest and one unit of 30 plaguebearers are nearly auto-take. Daemons of Nurgle seem to be in a strange place ally-wise, but are getting allegiance with Blightwar so I will hold off on a major update until then.

The rules for Horticulous Slimux are up. Any thoughts?

Needs a point cost as long as he isnt into the 200s he'll be useful.

What units will make up Nurgle mortals ?

Anything with both the Mortal and Nurgle keywords. It used to be important because blightkings were battleline for Mortal Nurgle allegiance only. With GHB2 GW made the tremendously wise descision to make Blightkings battleline for simply Nurgle allegiance instead. I am very happy they did this, and its a great boon for mortal-heavy armies that can now mix in daemons and pestilens without penalty.

As a sidenote, Blightguard is bad now; use Plaguetouched Warband instead at half the cost and less restrictions.

Would Chaos knights count ?

Yes but you have to take mark of nurgle.

I haven't seen the new GHB yet, but can anything be said about possibilities for working Archaon into a Nurgle list? One thing that Nurgle lacked from the previous version was cheap command abilities to spam with Archaon (other than spamming Harbringers of Decay, which is as exploitative as it is questionable in its legality). I'm wondering if any of that may have changed, or if there's more value to be put into applying Nurgle abilities into him.