Old INDEX Necron 8th Tactica - link to new codex tactics thread in OP

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**v0iddrgn**

A complete revamp would be welcome as long as it feels like we're still playing Necrons and most, if not all, of the unit's are decent.

**dapperbandit**

Kamikaze scarabs! lol

Hopefully there's a general point cut across the board. Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers need one. Tomb Blades sat in a weird place for me because they didn't have the Infantry keyword and were a bit too flimsy

**Claas**

Odrankt wrote:
Hmm, Lords providing an auto-pass morale could be quite a big deal, especially when it comes to managing an economy of Command Points. If you don't have to burn 2CP to keep that Warrior blob on the table so they can reanimate then that's two more CP you can be using on re-rolls or new strategems
I like the idea of having a Lord with 2 units of warriors "daisy" changing to grab as many objectives as possible. Plus, if he stops Morale from being an issue then I can only imagine how tough and resilient a blob of warriors will be when auto passing morale and using a res orb to get them up to greater numbers.

Alas, they are just rumours though and while the sources I was shown were pretty reliable and consistent with other Codex rumours from other armies. I will take everything I was told with a pinch of salt so I don't get disappointed if the Codex is different to what I was told it will be.

I got told a gakk load of rumours at the weekend but I'm keeping those to myself just incase someone from GW tries to "shut me up". It is safe to say that Codex Necrons is a complete revamp from the Index and everyone on the forum will be super happy with the Codex if everything I was shown is true.

We won't be "Uber" competitive but we will give a lot of armies a hard time which is in line with out fluff.

Any Armies in particular we will give a hard time? You can atleast say that much.

**Odrankt**

The more CPs an opponent uses the better and our Spyder might become reliable if taken with more "supporting" units.

Not going to name any armies we be good against *cough*War of Heaven*cough* but most armies will have a hard time. Especially if using old Xeno tech or weapons based on Xeno texch.

**sieGermans**

Ugh, I hope we don’t have rules that specifically call out Nemesis factions.

Do you want Grey Knights? Because that’s how you get Grey Knights.

**Azuza001**

Yeah, nemesis factions were an interesting idea for fluff but in game who wants to play knowing that their opponent will get a major buff because you happen to be playing X?

**Grimgold**

Doctoralex wrote:
Some more 'rumours' from reddit. Some of it sounds like it could be true, but some info... eh.....:

-DDA is going to get D6 shots.

-One Dynasty will focus on vehicles, letting them ignore the Heavy penalty when moving.

-Tomb blades are getting 14! Upgrade options, one of them being -1 to hit. The -1 to hit sound reasonable, 14 upgrade options does not.

-a strategem that lets you blow up a Scarab for D3 mortal wounds in the fight phase.

Please let the scarabs one be true, I don't even care if the stratagem sucks, just the idea of using scarabs as grenades is an amazing visual. It could be our equivalent of the hellfire round stratagem and make scarabs a target in CC.

As for the DDA, yeah all other sometimes d3 sometimes d6 weapons are now a d6, so that's a no brainer.

The vehicle's one is weird, because tesla destructors are assault, and the monolith already has it. That means death rays on doom scythes and gauss cannons on barges are the only things that benefit, and I'd be pretty annoyed if that were my faction bonus. If it's true (and at this point I'm saying probably not) they would have to be changing tesla destructor to be heavy, which seems like a terrible idea unless there is some awesome other changes to them.

Tomb blades already have 3 weapons choices, 2 wargear choices, and an armor upgrade, which is six options, so not sure where the other 8 would come from, and how they would be represented on the model. I can totally see the shadowloom being a -1 to hit though. It would be nice if the neubuloscope allowed them to reroll ones to hit or some such.

**Fenris-77**

Wow. I guess it has been a long time since the original Necron release. That scarab thing was how they worked in the first set of rules. Between this rumour and the Squat model coming out for Necromunda, I'm having a very nostalgia tinged evening.

**Pyrothem**

Man I really hope we get some help against all those psykic powers. The stuff they can do added with smighting off expensive units off is crippling.

**Merkabah**

Doctoralex wrote:

The vehicle's one is weird, because tesla destructors are assault, and the monolith already has it. That means death rays on doom scythes and gauss cannons on barges are the only things that benefit, and I'd be pretty annoyed if that were my faction bonus. If it's true (and at this point I'm saying probably not) they would have to be changing tesla destructor to be heavy, which seems like a terrible idea unless there is some awesome other changes to them.

Ya forgot Stalkers. That could be significant for them. But yeah, Don't affect too much.

**Grimgold**

Also where is everyone getting their leaks from? I've scoured my usual sites and boards and not so much as a single smug person saying he has seen it and it's awesome. Even /TG/ which tends to aggregate leaks pretty quickly has nothing to say on it. I mean we are about a month and a half out, so I can't imagine people getting review copies this early.

**skoffs**

So far no actual "leaks", just unverifiable rumors.
Once we get some legitimate leaks, so we have a better idea what to expect, we can probably start the new tactics thread so discussion on on how we'll need to change our playstyle can begin.

**Cmdr_Sune**

Rumors, leaks? We might as well speculate anyway because it's fun.

Exploding Scarabs? Ok I guess.

D6 shot DDA? So I will still only get one shot after spending a cp.

No heavy penalty for vehicles dynasty? Every faction seems to get one or two bad chapter tactics. So why not. Although it should be good on FW vehicles such as the Stalker and TA.

14 options for Tomb blades? Perhaps it's 14 differrnt combinations or they remove all options for the other units and put them on the Tomb blades.

**dapperbandit**

Azuza001 wrote:
Yeah, nemesis factions were an interesting idea for fluff but in game who wants to play knowing that their opponent will get a major buff because you happen to be playing X?

Am I right in thinking in previous editions, Imotekh got a +1 to his "who goes first" roll against everyone except Orks because even with a "hyperlogical" mind for strategy he can't predict Orks?

I like little things like that.

**Doctoralex**

Cmdr_Sune wrote:
Rumors, leaks? We might as well speculate anyway because it's fun.

No heavy penalty for vehicles dynasty? Every faction seems to get one or two bad chapter tactics. So why not. Although it should be good on FW vehicles such as the Stalker and TA.

14 options for Tomb blades? Perhaps it's 14 differrnt combinations or they remove all options for the other units and put them on the Tomb blades.

That Dynasty will probably get more than that. Maybe a small boost to Quantum Shielding?

I must have misinterpreted the one about the Blades. It's probably down to 14 points per Tomb Blade, which would decrease their price by 10 points. Still pretty sweet.

**Cheeslord**

Cmdr_Sune wrote:

14 options for Tomb blades? Perhaps it's 14 different combinations or they remove all options for the other units and put them on the Tomb blades.

It would represent a major policy change - which since 8th edition seems to have been only to allow wargear options if there is already a representation for it on the model - note how daemons lost many, many options that were not represented by a bit of plastic, as well as Necrons. Relics seem to be a partial exception to this (weapon relics generally require the weapon type to be phys-repped but other relics do not)

I expect its a misinterpretation.

Regarding Resurrection Protocols, much as I like the new system of continual resurrection, it is hard to balance with game size and it would not surprise me if it went back to a previous iteration of "roll X not to die". Hopefully accompanied by a points drop or some other benefit...

Mark.

**unitled**

Rumour I've seen is that RP is staying pretty much the same. Which is fine, I like it a lot, I think fixing the other problems with Necrons will mean RP falls into line.

Note we get a Necron list in the WD batrep this month! Necrons vs Custodes! So, yeah... that's fair! And the list is... hmm. 3,400 points and somehow the Necron player has 6CP to the Custodes 7?

**CthuluIsSpy**

unitled wrote:
Rumour I've seen is that RP is staying pretty much the same. Which is fine, I like it a lot, I think fixing the other problems with Necrons will mean RP falls into line.

Note we get a Necron list in the WD batrep this month! Necrons vs Custodes! So, yeah... that's fair! And the list is... hmm. 3,400 points and somehow the Necron player has 6CP to the Custodes 7?

I agree. RP is a fine mechanic, its just that it doesn't receive support from the rest of the army. RP is a mechanic that really needs other elements for it to bring the most out of it.

**v0iddrgn**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
unitled wrote:
Rumour I've seen is that RP is staying pretty much the same. Which is fine, I like it a lot, I think fixing the other problems with Necrons will mean RP falls into line.

Note we get a Necron list in the WD batrep this month! Necrons vs Custodes! So, yeah... that's fair! And the list is... hmm. 3,400 points and somehow the Necron player has 6CP to the Custodes 7?

I agree. RP is a fine mechanic, its just that it doesn't receive support from the rest of the army. RP is a mechanic that really needs other elements for it to bring the most out of it.

I agree with this. If there are wargear, WL traits, and strategems to support RP from being bypassed entirely then RP should be acceptable the way it currently is.

**Fenris-77**

Auto-pass morale fixes a lot of the problems with RP. Also, with some shuffling and changing of auras and stratagems, I think it'll be ok.

**Lothmar**

If they do end up changing the lychguard shields, would you prefer them to be just a straight 3+ invul, or would you rather have them stay 4+ but give them back that rebounding ability they used to have on units within a certain distance (think 18"?).

I wouldn't mind being able to purchase both variants for different jobs I might have for them ; But if im being honest I used to have a good chuckle with the reflection of incoming fire especially from overwatches so i'd probably vote that way myself.

**Cmdr_Sune**

Lothmar wrote:
If they do end up changing the lychguard shields, would you prefer them to be just a straight 3+ invul, or would you rather have them stay 4+ but give them back that rebounding ability they used to have on units within a certain distance (think 18"?).

I wouldn't mind being able to purchase both variants for different jobs I might have for them ; But if im being honest I used to have a good chuckle with the reflection of incoming fire especially from overwatches so i'd probably vote that way myself.

While 3++ is better it's more fun reflecting back wounds so I vote for the later too. Castellan Robots do this. They have 4++ save and reflect back MW on sixes. I don't think there's a range limit. Makes you think before shooting them.

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Doctoralex wrote:

I must have misinterpreted the one about the Blades. It's probably down to 14 points per Tomb Blade, which would decrease their price by 10 points. Still pretty sweet.

That would indeed help out a lot. I like Tomb blades in 8th. It's just that a unit of 9 costs 450 points, but lowering the cost of that unit to 360 would be fantastic... if true.

**v0iddrgn**

4++ is just fine especially with Lychguard having 2 wounds now. The reflective ability would be great to add MW's to an army that has very few options for MW's.

**Grimgold**

2 wounds is a weird place to be, on one hand it makes you twice as tough against small arms, but small arms was never lychguards problem. The reason I worry we are overpaying for two wounds is that there there are so many weapons that deal 2 damage, and those weapons are the ones you would want to use against lychguard in the first place, such as OC plasma, auto-cannons, and anti-vehicle weapons.

As much as I like the idea of bouncing wounds back like it's 5th ed, we need that 3++ way more.

**Arachnofiend**

Maybe make the shields a 3++, and add the reflecting bit as a "gotcha!" stratagem you can activate when the enemy declares their shooting on a unit of lychguard.

**v0iddrgn**

3++ is for loser SM players who cry at the drop of hat if they don't have the best of everything. Seriously though, 3++ isn't necessary. Anti-tank fire against a unit designed to be an Overlord's entourage is laughable meanwhile our vehicles are enjoying the freedom to wreak havoc.

**Grimgold**

We have good vehicles, when did that happen

**v0iddrgn**

Grimgold wrote:
We have good vehicles, when did that happen

I've had good results with the DArk and hope they fix TW deployment and drop the points for my Monolith so I can get that mobility back into my army. But yeah, our vehicles are so so for the most part.

**Nightfish**

Not exactly tactica.....

Spoiler:

**CthuluIsSpy**

Nightfish wrote:
Not exactly tactica.....

Spoiler:

Kitbash Crypteks with Deathmark heads?

Yes.
Right now I'm making a cryptek from a praetorian tail, a rod of the covenant, a warrior torso and legs, the ball of warscythe, the hood of a deathmark (had to cut that out), and the ball of a synaptic disintegrator. I would have also greenstuffed a sort of segmented cloak thing, but it never looked right so I just gave up on it.

Use the immortal heads as an alternative to those stupid baby crests on the lychguard. I should have done that to begin with, but generally I like to have at least one "normal" looking unit. Unless its really stupid. Like the hole in the flyer.