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Rowboat looks goofy, and since he was the least likely of the surviving loyalist primarchs to return (Vulkan or the Lion waking up would have made more sense plus it avoids the whole posterboy bashing the ultras don't need any more of) this feels like Spiritual Liege Part XIII: End Tymes™ Boogaloo.

Now if they had wanted him to regain consciousness since he's practically dead, unless they've just tossed his head onto a mechanical body, they should have had another primarch return but have him wake up and just guide the ultras in the background for a bit, helping work out strategy for the Imperium to deal with the threat of the eye opening further. I mean, I'm pretty sure it suits his character a bit more; though I also feel like having a look at how the Imperium is now he'd retry his Imperium Jr project. Either way Rowboat being active will try to take command of the Imperium as a stand in for the Emperor; his revival more than the others return I feel will have a larger impact on the structure of how the Imperium runs and honestly I could see it causing tension perhaps even a smaller civil war within the Imperium due to shifting power.

Of course all that thinking shouldn't get into the way of yet... ANOTHER... Ultramarines victory... yay.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.

.

No it's not.

They've always been supposed to be bigger.

Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.


.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.

or roller blades.

Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.

Hm... Cypher looks damn good!

Shame that Rowboat's model looks... odd to say the least. The FW one looks much better.

And who's that Grey Knight, I wonder... hm...

Three books and no Imperial Guard models. Oh good, but now the eternal (loyalist) Space Marine parade can continue.

Naturally if Chaos received a shiny new toy (Primarch) the loyalists had to get one as well, because what Chaos Space Marines needed was more homogenisation.

At least Cypher's an interesting chap. One of out three's better nothing. Then again, he's presumably loyalist now so there goes anything exciting about him gone forever.

 reds8n wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.

.

No it's not.

They've always been supposed to be bigger.

Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.


.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.

or roller blades.

Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.

Think you might've misconstrued.

Roboute's proportions here look off - but according to the background, he should have the same proportions as a human being, just on a massive scale. Your standard Astartes however are described as not maintaining your standard human proportions.

Im really hopping is just a bad angel. He looks really idk, stringgy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.

.

No it's not.

They've always been supposed to be bigger.

Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.


.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.

or roller blades.

Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.

Think you might've misconstrued.

Roboute's proportions here look off - but according to the background, he should have the same proportions as a human being, just on a massive scale. Your standard Astartes however are described as not maintaining your standard human proportions.

GW doesn't know the meaning of normal human proportions.

Took a hard look at the differences between 30K and 40K Gulliman today (more closely it is probably the difference between 30K and 31K. His new armor looks like Primarch MK VII armor to me... but more ornate. That sword... my money is on that being the Emperor's sword. I mean... the guy was the Emperor after the Heresy.

The background effect will be HUGE with this guy back.

It happens rather often with these leaks: Models looking not so good and it was only the angle.

I like all 3 of them a lot already, can't wait to see them in a much more detailed view, but the one I'm most pumped about is Cypher! What a glorious return for such a badass!

Yay, a new Plastic Daemon Prince!

 reds8n wrote:

No it's not.

They've always been supposed to be bigger.

Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.


.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.

or roller blades.

Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.

Don't you mean Ice Skates? Cuz, ya know....Fenris is an ice planet

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Guilliman looks rather bad. FW did him much better.

Cypher is awesome.

The GK is generic.

"Think you might've misconstrued."

did indeed.


Apologies


..Thinking about it I recall hearing that Guilliman was gonna be in a dreadnought kind of affair....

... perhaps then it's not just his "normal" body in power armour but a lot of cybernetics --


-- and there is that really old Ad-Mech guy in the story too ....

maybe it's not just a suit of armour but something more akin to a life support/dreadnought sarcophagus thing ?

I really don't like RG, especially the face
Grey knight looks kind of bland, "uniqueness" wise, but I like, that he's not too overdone with random crap they usually put on Space Marine heroes.

Cypher. Cypher is amazing. The pose, the armor, the cloak.
I need that mini! That's a first SM I wanted to get for a long while.. Last one being Krom from StormKlaw.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Wait Abadon dying? Are they really that sick of the meming? No, bad call in my opinion.

It's faeit as always take it with a giant mountain of salt and perhaps a truck of salt on top of it. I do find it kinda strange abbadon does not have a new model yet.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/abbadon-killed-last-book-called-rise-of.html

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition


Add on
40k new edition's content will be much reduced, but still bit longer than AoS rules, around 30 pages, likely release date will be summer. after Book III of the gathering storm.

This is clearly a mix of 'I got WD' and 'I'm guessing!'

You mean "Someone else got WD and posted pictures" and "I'm guessing"

Strange, but Faeit published these predictions 2 hours before the WD leak in reddit

zamerion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Wait Abadon dying? Are they really that sick of the meming? No, bad call in my opinion.

It's faeit as always take it with a giant mountain of salt and perhaps a truck of salt on top of it. I do find it kinda strange abbadon does not have a new model yet.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/abbadon-killed-last-book-called-rise-of.html

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1. the bolt pistol may belong to Cypher
2. three books for gathering storms series
3. each book will have a trio of characters
4. last book is called the rise of legend/Primarch?, which obviously include a Primarch
5. last trio of characters will be: Grandpa Smurf, Cypher and a Grey Knight Master (my source saw photos of both Cypher and Knight Master, but didn't see Gradpa Smurf yet)
6. then 8th edition
7. Abaddon is likely to be killed during the last book, GW staffs are jokingly saying killed by the bolt pistol
8. dwarf release and gryph hound release should still be there, but the focus is to finish off gathering storm series and launch 8th edition


Add on
40k new edition's content will be much reduced, but still bit longer than AoS rules, around 30 pages, likely release date will be summer. after Book III of the gathering storm.

This is clearly a mix of 'I got WD' and 'I'm guessing!'

You mean "Someone else got WD and posted pictures" and "I'm guessing"

Strange, but Faeit published these predictions 2 hours before the WD leak in reddit

Yup, they did still as always it's faeit.

The Grey Knight dude and Cypher look excellent. I'd rather Cypher have his guns a-blazing, but I'll take it.

Guiliman I need to see in a few more angles. At the moment, I like the FW one better.

Not an Ultramarine fan, but I actually like the model. I disagree with the assumption that the next release will be 8th. Gathering Storm feels more like the buildup to a longer campaign that will lead to 8th. I actually think 8th edition got pushed back from what Sad Panda (where is that guy, anyway?) and a few others implied last year.

You know, maybe with this release we'll finally get the official word on how to pronounce Roboute Guilliman. I can't even spell it, let alone say it.

 reds8n wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.

.

No it's not.

They've always been supposed to be bigger.

Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.


.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.

or roller blades.

Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.

Roller-wolfskull-icefang-blades, ye milksop.

The GK seems to look oddly similar to Mordrak. That could be interesting.

If that Grey Knight is Mordrak, I will be very happy. I always liked using him and his ghost knights. Hopefully he'll still have ghost knights.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It's long established in the background that whereas Astartes do look out of proportion (gigantism essentially), the Primarchs weren't. They were just much bigger, but still in the typical human scale.

.

No it's not.

They've always been supposed to be bigger.

Hence why it's been daft to claim that things like the Lion Helm or that ridiculous sled that Grimnar went around in were every belongs of the Primarch.


.. although TBF Russ might've had two and worn them a bit like rollerskates.

or roller blades.

Or in 30/40k : Roller-skull-blades.

Think you might've misconstrued.

Roboute's proportions here look off - but according to the background, he should have the same proportions as a human being, just on a massive scale. Your standard Astartes however are described as not maintaining your standard human proportions.

GW doesn't know the meaning of normal human proportions.

Alarielle would beg to disagree. They at least know how to do properly shaped women.

It will not be Mordrak. GW seems intent on not returning special characters that were dropped because they had no model.
Unless you are a Primarch or have a current fincast model, that is.

It likely won't be, you're right. It simply looks like it could be, based on the signature giant hammer and the fact that it's a character. Most GK characters, besides him, wield a sword.

 Galef wrote:
It will not be Mordrak. GW seems intent on not returning special characters that were dropped because they had no model.
Unless you are a Primarch or have a current fincast model, that is.

Someone pointed out that the oathshield he has is Mordrak's.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galef wrote:
It will not be Mordrak. GW seems intent on not returning special characters that were dropped because they had no model.
Unless you are a Primarch or have a current fincast model, that is.

Someone pointed out that the oathshield he has is Mordrak's.

Was there official art for Mordrak? I can't recall and don't have the ancient 5th ed Codex in front of me.

As for the grey knight was there a name for this guy?

I think there may have been but I can't remember.

Or as a guess it could just be any of the other grand masters like Vardan Kai. Just not Aurikon.

zamerion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:
This is clearly a mix of 'I got WD' and 'I'm guessing!'

You mean "Someone else got WD and posted pictures" and "I'm guessing"

Strange, but Faeit published these predictions 2 hours before the WD leak in reddit

Traditionally, we don't count predictions this close to a leak as being legit. It means the person got the WD in hand and decided to up their rumor cred instead of posting pictures. Feel free to dispute it over in the Ongoing Rumor Accuracy thread.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galef wrote:
It will not be Mordrak. GW seems intent on not returning special characters that were dropped because they had no model.
Unless you are a Primarch or have a current fincast model, that is.

Someone pointed out that the oathshield he has is Mordrak's.

Was there official art for Mordrak? I can't recall and don't have the ancient 5th ed Codex in front of me.

Am going off second-hand sources, mind you. I've never had a huge interest in Grey Knights.

 n0t_u wrote:
As for the grey knight was there a name for this guy?

Spoiler:

I think there may have been but I can't remember.

Or as a guess it could just be any of the other grand masters like Vardan Kai. Just not Aurikon.

Yelly McYellerton, of the House of the Long Necks?