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2017/02/03 23:59:09
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
To build on His Master's Voice's earlier photoshop, I'd ideally have preferred these dimensions. The waist, groin and thighs are increased 10% and the right hand 50% in size. Combined with ornate but not garish armor, THAT would be a 40k plastic primarch I could buy. The emperor photoshop conversion posted earlier admittedly works as well though (spoilered below).
2017/02/04 00:06:29
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
insaniak wrote: Fitting the fluff isn't the problem... It's absurd enough in the fiction, but they get away with it by the writers just largely ignoring it.
Seeing it physically on the table just highlights how silly it looks for the Primarchs to be that tall.
Indeed. Imagine him trying to operate in any human scale environment. Or to get in a transport.
insaniak wrote: Fitting the fluff isn't the problem... It's absurd enough in the fiction, but they get away with it by the writers just largely ignoring it.
Seeing it physically on the table just highlights how silly it looks for the Primarchs to be that tall.
Indeed. Imagine him trying to operate in any human scale environment. Or to get in a transport.
Pretty sure thats why Terra built it's hallways huge and expanding across the planet.
2017/02/04 00:13:13
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
Mymearan wrote: It's like some of you guys imagine GW being staffed by evil cackling alien lizards rather than actual humans. "the total degradation of every character who doesn't serve marines in some way", "GW are pissing all over the background and making sure the stink of their contempt for it runs foetid through every page". You have to realise how comical this gak sounds. There is no contempt here. These are people doing what they love in a way you disagree with, not megalomaniacal crazies doing everything they can to piss you off.
How much experience have you had working directly with marketing departments from any industry? I can assure you they are all cackling alien lizards. I'm sure there are plenty of wonderful people at GW, and can guarantee they've had run ins with their sales/ marketing departments and come out the loser. It's just the way things work.
End times or not, you can't defend the motives of a marketing department.
There’s a difference between having a hobby and being a narcissist.
2017/02/04 00:18:13
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
Mymearan wrote: It's like some of you guys imagine GW being staffed by evil cackling alien lizards rather than actual humans. "the total degradation of every character who doesn't serve marines in some way", "GW are pissing all over the background and making sure the stink of their contempt for it runs foetid through every page". You have to realise how comical this gak sounds. There is no contempt here. These are people doing what they love in a way you disagree with, not megalomaniacal crazies doing everything they can to piss you off.
Remember, the anonymity of the internet allows people to let all of their angst out - including expressing it in the most immature and crazy ways, and the numbers of people allow people of any bent to find others with the same opinion so that they can self-select into a little group that reinforces their behaviour or delusions. I don't like the idea of "flipping" two chapters, but if done in an interesting way that doesn't mess everything up (and people's existing models) then I'm open to seeing what happens.
Marine on marine battles are common enough anyway IRL, and a fractured Imperium isn't anything new - since it's already there in the fluff with many examples of Space Wolves vs Dark Angels, GK slaughtering whole IG regiments just for seeing a Daemon, The Badab War (where chapters like the Lamenters weren't even "bad guys"), the background and history of chapters like Minotaurs and Carcharodons, the "Months of Shame" (1st Battle of Armageddon - GK vs SW), the story of the Celestial Lions... it goes on and on. Two "chapters" of nominally "loyalist" chapters of Dark Angels sounds much more interesting than Cypher and The Fallen being boring CSM. An Imperium of Ultramar led by a returned and horrified Guilliman, bordering and (mostly) allied with the Imperium of the Administratum sounds potentially interesting - a 40k version of the Eastern and Western Roman Empires. Alpha Legion potentially returning to the fold - or some of them, anyway - or are they?. Again more interesting than simply another set of guys covered in spikes, stars and tentacles.
Yeah, this has potential. If they do a good job with it. I hope they do, and I've got more trust in the GW of the last couple of years, especially with the FW influence - than I do in the GW of the last decade up to and including The End Times and the launch of AoS.
I look forward to all the people who can't handle additions and moving on of the storyline, etc moving on to Warpath and other games while selling their 40k forces off cheap to people like me who can handle multiple settings in the timeline and ignore stupid gak added to "canon" - and of course the occasional flaming video of complete maturity. (skip to 8:21)
warboss wrote: To build on His Master's Voice's earlier photoshop, I'd ideally have preferred these dimensions. The waist, groin and thighs are increased 10% and the right hand 50% in size. Combined with ornate but not garish armor, THAT would be a 40k plastic primarch I could buy. The emperor photoshop conversion posted earlier admittedly works as well though (spoilered below).
There was something that just wasn't sitting right with me about the model and I figured out it was that filigree. It just doesn't look right at all and the photoshop improves the look of the model immensely.
2017/02/04 00:38:09
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
Quarterdime wrote: Guilliman's face when he takes his first look at the Imperium after 9,000 years.
Also, my face when it turns out he healed in stasis.
Latest rumors are that he was raised by the combined work of Cawl and Yvraine (WHO LET THAT ELDAR ANYWHERE NEAR A PRIMARCH!?!), not that he healed himself while in stasis.
2017/02/04 00:49:48
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
Quarterdime wrote: Guilliman's face when he takes his first look at the Imperium after 9,000 years.
Also, my face when it turns out he healed in stasis.
Latest rumors are that he was raised by the combined work of Cawl and Yvraine (WHO LET THAT ELDAR ANYWHERE NEAR A PRIMARCH!?!), not that he healed himself while in stasis.
Probably. Still, there's that possibility. Maybe it'll be a moment where Cawl says something like "It looks like he's already been recovering" or something.
If I were Games Workshop, I would emphasize the idea that it's just wishful thinking on the part of the Ultramarines by having Guilliman flatline AS SOON as they turn that stasis off, only to be resuscitated by whatever the hell Cawl and co. are going to do to him.
2017/02/04 00:56:08
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
It's almost like a visual metaphor for how much better 30k is than 40k at this point. The gw version looks like something out of aos.
Nah the FW Guilliman has always been ugly imo too. I've never been a big fan of the ultra marines primarch.
The 40k guilliman isn't perfect but the 30k one, I imagine the designer just staring at a piece of white bread thinking 'I need my model to somehow be blander and less interesting than this...'
And for the record, AoS is better than both atm.
2017/02/04 01:02:02
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
It's funny, I'm not too keen on 40k rowboat as he is.
That emperor photoshop however, they gave him hair, dropping the huge gun, changed the pad styling and painted him gold.
Looks amazing like that.
Jackal wrote: It's funny, I'm not too keen on 40k rowboat as he is.
That emperor photoshop however, they gave him hair, dropping the huge gun, changed the pad styling and painted him gold.
Looks amazing like that.
That's essential the only reason I want him.
Do we have any ideas yet on a release time?
March according to what what posted earlier in the thread. I don't know what time of the day though.
2017/02/04 01:12:40
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
for the fluff only thing guilliman is missing is a shark (carcharodon? harhar) underneath him
but i like the model itself, im completely happy with it if i played loyalist sheep, i think too the way the painted it isnt too appealing too pastel and flat or something.
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2017/02/04 01:26:31
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
I'm calling this now: this will usher in a new era and a new way to play 40k- All models will now be sold with SQUARE BASES.
Imagine! Soon we'll be able to rank up our Space Marines into tightly packed units! Rank bonuses and flanking manoeuvres will abound! Frag Missiles will actually do something! Fenrisian wolves and Yvraine's weird cat thing living together!
I, for one, cannot wait.
[edit]Also, why has nobody photoshopped Rowboat onto a surfboard yet?[/edit]
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2017/02/04 01:48:32
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
In Wrath of Magnus, the Changeling lets at least one of the Fallen escape. I don't know the lore on Cyrus. Was it him? He has a sword that looks like it might be Lion's. It was Cyrus, wasn't it?
2017/02/04 01:55:29
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
In Wrath of Magnus, the Changeling lets at least one of the Fallen escape. I don't know the lore on Cyrus. Was it him? He has a sword that looks like it might be Lion's. It was Cyrus, wasn't it?
Cypher has always been out and about on his own. This is not who was let out
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2017/02/04 02:05:28
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch
In Wrath of Magnus, the Changeling lets at least one of the Fallen escape. I don't know the lore on Cyrus. Was it him? He has a sword that looks like it might be Lion's. It was Cyrus, wasn't it?
Cypher has always been out and about on his own. This is not who was let out
Oh, ok. I wonder if that plot point will even go anywhere...
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