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Blame GW for letting the Pt3 cat out of the bag so soon on the heels of Pt2.

Meanwhile, it isn't that hard to keep conversation about each in its own thread(s)!

 Gamgee wrote:
Can't wait for the necron c'tan model rumoured awhile back. I hope that turns out to be true.

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If they kill off Abbaddon then Vect stands no chance.

The Void Dragon is unleashed on Mars? An actually cool looking c'tan model of the Void Dragon? That would be awesome.

Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

Davor wrote:
I am curious how you feel about all these Marines that are suppose to fit in a Rhino for the last 20 or so years? .

I would have preferred vehicles (and everyone else) to be appropriately scaled.

That's a completely separate issue to whether or not 16-foot-tall people are a good idea and/or look silly, though.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

Short answer: NO.

Long answer: Eldar are going to get further divided. We had the traditional 5 factions (corsairs,craftworlds, dark, exodites, and harlequins) and now this new group, the Ynnari, is a shcism that is happening right now in the three main groups. So no, no merging, further division more like.

 Alpharius wrote:
There is a thread for the Gathering Storm PT 2 - let's keep this one focused on Pt. 3 please - thanks!

Yeah that was my bad- got carried away and clicked on wrong thread.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

Well according to the info in WD there are both craftworld and dark Eldar that are not going along with the new Ynnead movement. How substantial in size and how opposed to the Ynnead group they are is still fairly unknown. Its possible that GW may be setting up the Ynnead followers as a distinct fourth Eldar group on the table top. Or it could just be left as a way to combine all three Eldar forces. The Aeldari name seems to be used by the Eldar to refer to the pre fall Eldar and/or the species as a whole. So short answer? We don't know, but personally I doubt it.

Interestingly part 3 may be setting up a similar rift between factions within the Imperium. The Warhammer community preview says that some within the Imperium may not be to happy with the method of Guilliman's return.

 insaniak wrote:

Davor wrote:
I am curious how you feel about all these Marines that are suppose to fit in a Rhino for the last 20 or so years? .

I would have preferred vehicles (and everyone else) to be appropriately scaled.

That's a completely separate issue to whether or not 16-foot-tall people are a good idea and/or look silly, though.

I only half agree with the first part, if I run the numbers on a consistent scaling the 40K tanks are already gigantic. I'd rather the models look good and be semi unrealistic than be "accurate".

But I definitely agree with the second part. That the Primarchs (or SM themselves) have to be of monstrous proportion to be impressive is really ridiculous to me.


That said, despite the fact that I don't like the model, I AM really curious as to how they're going to handle the fluff around it. Ultramar is about as good as the Imperium gets, and RG was the chief architect. If he sticks around as a military and cultural leader, that could get interesting.

Probably sounds a bit weird, but I have a few knit picks with the Cypher model. First being, I preferred the lion sword being underslung the back pack, not on top. Second, and more of the major gripe for me, they're revealing too much of his face. Part of the great mystery of Cypher was we didn't actually know what he really looked like other than hi jawline inside a hood.

No plastic Abaddon model..... wasted oppurtunity #primarchsareback#ageof40khasarrived#mattwardisactuallytheemperor

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Second, and more of the major gripe for me, they're revealing too much of his face. Part of the great mystery of Cypher was we didn't actually know what he really looked like other than hi jawline inside a hood.

The mystery of Cypher was never what he looked like, just who he was an which side he was on.

It's not like we suddenly recognise him now that we can see his face.

 insaniak wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Second, and more of the major gripe for me, they're revealing too much of his face. Part of the great mystery of Cypher was we didn't actually know what he really looked like other than hi jawline inside a hood.

The mystery of Cypher was never what he looked like, just who he was an which side he was on.

It's not like we suddenly recognise him now that we can see his face.

Actually, I'd argue that he was so ambiguous before, you didn't know if there was more than one of him, or not knowing what he actually looked like explained his ability to infiltrate most situations as and when he required.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Second, and more of the major gripe for me, they're revealing too much of his face. Part of the great mystery of Cypher was we didn't actually know what he really looked like other than hi jawline inside a hood.

The mystery of Cypher was never what he looked like, just who he was an which side he was on.

It's not like we suddenly recognise him now that we can see his face.

Actually, I'd argue that he was so ambiguous before, you didn't know if there was more than one of him, or not knowing what he actually looked like explained his ability to infiltrate most situations as and when he required.

It's not like he's any less disguised now, all he had was a hood before. We can just see a bit more of his face in the sculpt now, is all.

Man, I keep going back to these pictures and they just leave me baffled. In one set, you have one of the best Space Marine models I've ever seen (Cypher), one of the blandest models I've ever seen (Voldus) and then there's big blue... Hoooo, boy. I know he's proving to be divisive and some people like him, but in my opinion that is in the top 5 of GW's worst models ever. It's just fugly to the point of being awe-inspiring. Your eyes just can't take it all in.

so how big of a paradigm shift in the imperium is this going to be with Roboute coming back?

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

Short answer: NO.

Long answer: Eldar are going to get further divided. We had the traditional 5 factions (corsairs,craftworlds, dark, exodites, and harlequins) and now this new group, the Ynnari, is a shcism that is happening right now in the three main groups. So no, no merging, further division more like.

real answer: That's only supposition and we simply don,t know

I wouldn't worry. Abaddon is blessed by all four gods. Kharn has been killed many times and resurrected by Khorn. I'm sure he will either be resurrected or reincarnated as a demon lord.

Abaddon isn't leaving the 40k universe any time soon. This isn't whfb where the world explodes and all characters die lol.

Even if Abaddon takes a bolter to the brain, I’d just expect him to respawn in super-ultra boss mode for another round in a later level.

Probably with a new supersized model.

so who wins in a duel now Roboute or Abaddon?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

I think the anwser is they are all being merged with imperal of man. Hell even the black templar are homies with them.

 streetsamurai wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

Short answer: NO.

Long answer: Eldar are going to get further divided. We had the traditional 5 factions (corsairs,craftworlds, dark, exodites, and harlequins) and now this new group, the Ynnari, is a shcism that is happening right now in the three main groups. So no, no merging, further division more like.

wrong answer: That's only supposition and we simply don,t know

There, done for you. Since we DO know the eldar are going to be further separated, with the Haemonculous Covens spearheading the opposition in Commorragh, and at least a whole craftworld (plus groups in others) opposing the Ynnari. Plus quite a few groups of harlequins. This is old news and we've known it for a while that they'd be, for all intents and purposes, a different faction.

@Lightningking. My supposition (and thus take it with salt) will be that he's going to be like Vulkan in the Beast Arises. It will seem he'd be able to solve the problem but ultimately it won't be the case. He'll do a few changes here and there but he won't be around long enough to have a proper and lasting impact. People will make (in and out of universe) a big fuss over him but it will turn to be hot air. Of course, it's just my opinion and guess, so I am likely to be wrong.


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OgreChubbs wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

I think the anwser is they are all being merged with imperal of man. Hell even the black templar are homies with them.

I think a serious answer was what he was looking for. And really, did they share enough screen time during FoC as us being able to say: they are homies with them, even as a joke? I think they didn't.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

Short answer: NO.

Long answer: Eldar are going to get further divided. We had the traditional 5 factions (corsairs,craftworlds, dark, exodites, and harlequins) and now this new group, the Ynnari, is a shcism that is happening right now in the three main groups. So no, no merging, further division more like.

wrong answer: That's only supposition and we simply don,t know

There, done for you. Since we DO know the eldar are going to be further separated, with the Haemonculous Covens spearheading the opposition in Commorragh, and at least a whole craftworld (plus groups in others) opposing the Ynnari. Plus quite a few groups of harlequins. This is old news and we've known it for a while that they'd be, for all intents and purposes, a different faction.

@Lightningking. My supposition (and thus take it with salt) will be that he's going to be like Vulkan in the Beast Arises. It will seem he'd be able to solve the problem but ultimately it won't be the case. He'll do a few changes here and there but he won't be around long enough to have a proper and lasting impact. People will make (in and out of universe) a big fuss over him but it will turn to be hot air. Of course, it's just my opinion and guess, so I am likely to be wrong.


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OgreChubbs wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

I think the anwser is they are all being merged with imperal of man. Hell even the black templar are homies with them.

I think a serious answer was what he was looking for. And really, did they share enough screen time during FoC as us being able to say: they are homies with them, even as a joke? I think they didn't.

guy in red eldar or eldar god thingy.

opps forgot their new name. Alalala-eldar

I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy

Which proves nothing. Just an alliance of convenience, like in the original black crusade. Only that this time the eldar assistance happens AFTER the battle rather than during.

We like the profiling but black templars aren't necessarily morons, and know perfectly that the bigger enemy is chaos. Doesn't mean they like the panzees.


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LightKing wrote:
I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy

IIRC, plenty of the things Guilliman did where him stealing ideas from Malcador. Okay, certainly not as small as Vulkan's but I highly doubt he'll fully change the face of the imperium, or do anything seriously major either. Well, we will see.

 Nevelon wrote:
Even if Abaddon takes a bolter to the brain, I’d just expect him to respawn in super-ultra boss mode for another round in a later level.

Probably with a new supersized model.

Celestine rammed a holy blade through his spine which hurt him more than anything else in millenia but it didnt kill him - a bolt round to the head is not going to do it.

LightKing wrote:
I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy

I always thought gilliman was a traitor.

He did

started a new empire when he lost contact with terra
Didn't help during the siege of terra screw your home world the betterment of the galaxy all that matters.
After he came when the fighting was over and had a 1000 marines left he threw a tantrum and almost started a second war because he wanted everyone to be the same as him.
Then he refused to back down to the point his brothers said fine you whiny baby have your way.

He literally did nothing but emo threw a crusade.

Only people who did anything was dorn and saguin.

OgreChubbs wrote:

LightKing wrote:
I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy

I always thought gilliman was a traitor.

He did

started a new empire when he lost contact with terra
Didn't help during the siege of terra screw your home world the betterment of the galaxy all that matters.
After he came when the fighting was over and had a 1000 marines left he threw a tantrum and almost started a second war because he wanted everyone to be the same as him.
Then he refused to back down to the point his brothers said fine you whiny baby have your way.

He literally did nothing but emo threw a crusade.

Only people who did anything was dorn and saguin.

That's not what happened.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

LightKing wrote:
I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy

I always thought gilliman was a traitor.

He did

started a new empire when he lost contact with terra
Didn't help during the siege of terra screw your home world the betterment of the galaxy all that matters.
After he came when the fighting was over and had a 1000 marines left he threw a tantrum and almost started a second war because he wanted everyone to be the same as him.
Then he refused to back down to the point his brothers said fine you whiny baby have your way.

He literally did nothing but emo threw a crusade.

Only people who did anything was dorn and saguin.

That's not what happened.

And even if that's what happened thank god they let him in power. I highly doubt there would be Imperium by the Age of Apostasy without Guilliman copy-pasting 3/4 of Malcador's plans.

OgreChubbs wrote:

LightKing wrote:
I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy

I always thought gilliman was a traitor.

He did

started a new empire when he lost contact with terra
Didn't help during the siege of terra screw your home world the betterment of the galaxy all that matters.
After he came when the fighting was over and had a 1000 marines left he threw a tantrum and almost started a second war because he wanted everyone to be the same as him.
Then he refused to back down to the point his brothers said fine you whiny baby have your way.

He literally did nothing but emo threw a crusade.

Only people who did anything was dorn and saguin.

Not sure if trolling, but that's not what happened.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

LightKing wrote:
I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy

I always thought gilliman was a traitor.

He did

started a new empire when he lost contact with terra
Didn't help during the siege of terra screw your home world the betterment of the galaxy all that matters.
After he came when the fighting was over and had a 1000 marines left he threw a tantrum and almost started a second war because he wanted everyone to be the same as him.
Then he refused to back down to the point his brothers said fine you whiny baby have your way.

He literally did nothing but emo threw a crusade.

Only people who did anything was dorn and saguin.

Not sure if trolling, but that's not what happened.

Ya it is

In the un remembered empire. He tried to make his own empire til sag came in then he said he guess he can be in charge.
After word bearers attacked he never showed up at terra he stayed home unlike the lion.
In the space marine codex "the last one forget the edition" it said guilman imposed the codex astres, many of his brothers disagreed with it. Then with neither side backing down, which almost cost a second war. Until dorn finally agreed then the white scars followed suit.

oh here is the story

Rogal Dorn initially rejected the Codex Astartes and enmity developed between him and Guilliman. Dorn called Guilliman a coward, citing his lack of participation in the defense of the Imperial Palace. Guilliman accused Dorn of being a traitor for refusing the Codex. This enmity quickly involved other Space Marine Legions and a rift developed, Leman Russ of the Space Wolves stood by the Imperial Fists, while Jaghatai Khan of the White Scars and Corax of the Raven Guard supported the Ultramarines. A second civil war appeared likely when the Imperial Fists strike cruiser Terrible Angel was fired upon by the Imperial Navy in connection with Codex crisis.[7]
However, Dorn ultimately relented after spending seven days meditating in the pain glove. There, he concluded that the Legion could no longer serve the Emperor who had been and must serve the Emperor who was, which involved accepting the new order of which the Codex was a part.[8] Secretly however Dorn formulated his own protocol to possibly circumvent the Codex Astartes known as the Last Wall.[14] The Space Wolves Legion, however, never fully accepted the new doctrine. Rather they held sacred the teachings of their Primarch. One of the few ideals the Codex implemented that the Space Wolves Legion actually followed was the succession of Chapters. However, the Space Wolves Legion was never very large. That combined with the genetic instability of the legion gene-seed lead to the Legion only founding one successor Chapter, the ill-fated Wolfbrothers.

Guilman I KNOW BEST OBEY OR YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO MY KINGDOM!!!!

from the unremembered empire

The unthinkable has happened – Terra has fallen to the traitor forces of Warmaster Horus! Nothing else could explain the sudden disappearance of the Astronomican's guiding light at the heart of the Imperium, or so Roboute Guilliman would believe. Ever the pragmatist, he has drawn all his forces to Ultramar and begun construction of the new empire known as Imperium Secundus. Even with many of his primarch brothers at his side, he still faces war from without and intrigue from within – with the best of intentions, were the full truth to be known it would likely damn them all as traitors for all eternity


And why he never showed

After seeing off the Shadow Crusade, Guilliman decided that if his father could not be saved, His ideals would be, setting up a new government called Imperium Secundus, a second Imperium of Man which would reject Horus's alliance with Chaos. Although potentially traitorous, Guilliman's motives at least appeared sincere, he made a big hoohah about not taking the throne himself, since he would look like a Tyrant if he did. Fortunately/Unfortunately, The Lion arrived at Macragge and didn't like where it was heading. Neither brother trusted the other with the job of ruling the next Imperium, so Sanguinius got the job only to settle the matter between the two and was declared regent of the Imperium in the Emperor's absence, which meant feth all because he promptly got murdered by Horus in the battle of Terra.

Last paragraph came from lexium so grain of salt but how did the blood angles make it and dark angles yet gilly wasnt going to try?