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DarthDiggler wrote:
Just use the FW version if you don't like the new one. FW might be cheaper to.

I doubt it; the FW one is £65 plus 12% shipping (15% out of the UK), unless you spend over £250.

 Crimson wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
I'd love to see a side by side of the Forge World and GW versions, and a regular marine.

Also throw in the 54mm version of Artemis from the old inquisitor range.

I never felt the forge world versions were that much bigger, maybe a normal marine comes up to their shoulders. But GW guilliman seems to be at least twice the height.
I know the forge world bases add a lot of height, but that works. It helps them stand out on the table without throwing the proportions into stupid territory.

Nah, FW Primarchs are absurdly large too (based on various pictures, I'd say at least five cm tall without a base.) I really don't like them either, as on tabletop they just look like someone put a wrong scale miniature on the table. And they make the normal marines look like hobbits. It is not same with various monsters and dreadnoughts, as those are not just upscaled marines. The new Custodes models are about the size I think would have been good for the primarchs. Obviously larger than normal marines, but not absurdly so. They could use same vehicles, furniture, weapons, etc.

FW Primarchs are the right size relative to human models, it's Space Marine miniatures that are too small. Scale them up to a more appropriate 40mm-ish(38mm-ish if you're a strict "all SM are exactly 7' tall in armour and not one single nanometre taller!" sort) and everything looks roughly appropriate given the fluff. Primarchs aren't supposed to use the same vehicles, furniature, weapons etc, they're genetically and psychically engineered demigods and even the smallest can only barely pass for a freakishly tall Marine(so what, a minimum of 8.5-9' tall?). Russ uses a modified Legionary bolter as a pistol.

Plastic Rowboat, as with everything else in the GW studio these days, takes the concept and ramps it up to the point of unintentional self-parody, but I'm sure they'll have some "his body is basically a dread" or somesuch as an excuse for his embiggening.

This is all but complete confirmation we won't be getting new Sisters any time soon, right?

I'm glad they gave him a helmet, and a very nice one at that. The lack of helmets is one of the things that bothers me the most about FW Primarchs (next to their ludicrous bases).

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
This is all but complete confirmation we won't be getting new Sisters any time soon, right?

I'm glad they gave him a helmet, and a very nice one at that. The lack of helmets is one of the things that bothers me the most about FW Primarchs (next to their ludicrous bases).

How does this, in any way, confirm we won't be getting new Sisters any time soon?

Posted it in the other thread, while younall argue about whatever, im just sitting here hoping we get Ultramarine formations, warlord traits, and relics.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
I'd love to see a side by side of the Forge World and GW versions, and a regular marine.

Also throw in the 54mm version of Artemis from the old inquisitor range.

I never felt the forge world versions were that much bigger, maybe a normal marine comes up to their shoulders. But GW guilliman seems to be at least twice the height.
I know the forge world bases add a lot of height, but that works. It helps them stand out on the table without throwing the proportions into stupid territory.

Nah, FW Primarchs are absurdly large too (based on various pictures, I'd say at least five cm tall without a base.) I really don't like them either, as on tabletop they just look like someone put a wrong scale miniature on the table. And they make the normal marines look like hobbits. It is not same with various monsters and dreadnoughts, as those are not just upscaled marines. The new Custodes models are about the size I think would have been good for the primarchs. Obviously larger than normal marines, but not absurdly so. They could use same vehicles, furniture, weapons, etc.

FW Primarchs are the right size relative to human models, it's Space Marine miniatures that are too small. Scale them up to a more appropriate 40mm-ish(38mm-ish if you're a strict "all SM are exactly 7' tall in armour and not one single nanometre taller!" sort) and everything looks roughly appropriate given the fluff. Primarchs aren't supposed to use the same vehicles, furniature, weapons etc, they're genetically and psychically engineered demigods and even the smallest can only barely pass for a freakishly tall Marine(so what, a minimum of 8.5-9' tall?). Russ uses a modified Legionary bolter as a pistol.

Plastic Rowboat, as with everything else in the GW studio these days, takes the concept and ramps it up to the point of unintentional self-parody, but I'm sure they'll have some "his body is basically a dread" or somesuch as an excuse for his embiggening.

Ya I am thinking gillyman is about 12-14 feet tall. He may be able to wrestle a avatar or wraith knight.

So we get a TrueScale Primarch who looks strange among 28mm Marines.
I guess Robert will work well with True Scale Marines

So guys

is Cypher a good guy, since he is helping out Roboute?

LightKing wrote:
So guys

is Cypher a good guy, since he is helping out Roboute?

Bit of both at this point. I won't spoil it for you here, so go read Gav Thorpe's (40K) Dark Angels series.

 kodos wrote:
So we get a TrueScale Primarch who looks strange among 28mm Marines.
I guess Robert will work well with True Scale Marines

Haha it's funny to me that this is what makes him look weird for me too. When people were saying Abaddon was getting a new model. I thought the best option would be to keep him a Termie but just make him true scale so it keeps the idea of making heroes look 'bigger' but without needing to go down the Prince route.

Now seeing Blue Man near true scale next to not true scale marines does look a bit weird.

I know ward retconned/ignored quite a bit of Black Templar lore.

However given how Dorn was blackmailed into breaking up his legion and his distrust of Curly Sue's actual motivations for doing it.

I always thought when he took sigmusund aside to have a word with him to stop the 1st company from kicking the smurfs cowardly asses. He told them to stay fleet bound build up towards legion size and Kurb Stomp the smurfs and curly sue when they make there grab for power and this was the secret/instruction the New high Marshal gets.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

LightKing wrote:
So guys

is Cypher a good guy, since he is helping out Roboute?

Bit of both at this point. I won't spoil it for you here, so go read Gav Thorpe's (40K) Dark Angels series.

He is probably the guy Roboute need to have a beer with at the end of the day after discussing the Imperium with the religious fanatics Celestine and Voldus.
I can imagine Gulliman trying to argue with the religious lunatics, saying things like:
"-Well, back when I spoke to the Emperor, Personally, he was pretty clear about the "no worship" thing, he actually had me destroy whole civilizations for less."

 kodos wrote:
So we get a TrueScale Primarch who looks strange among 28mm Marines.
I guess Robert will work well with True Scale Marines

No, that was my point - Primarchs are truescale already. So are humans. It's Space Marines that are the problem. Plastic Rowboat looks to be quite a bit bigger than his FW version, and that looks great next to truescale Marines, the plastic one will look a bit derpy regardless of what scale your SM models are.

EDIT: And as for the fluff issues, Roboute is a craven opportunist *cough* ahem, sorry, "tactical and strategic genius beyond compare and our Spiritual Leige", so I expect they'll have him do that "maths equations float around head" scene thing and conclude he has to go along with the religious crazy at least in the short term.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 kodos wrote:
So we get a TrueScale Primarch who looks strange among 28mm Marines.
I guess Robert will work well with True Scale Marines

No, that was my point - Primarchs are truescale already. So are humans. It's Space Marines that are the problem. Plastic Rowboat looks to be quite a bit bigger than his FW version, and that looks great next to truescale Marines, the plastic one will look a bit derpy regardless of what scale your SM models are.

EDIT: And as for the fluff issues, Roboute is a craven opportunist *cough* ahem, sorry, "tactical and strategic genius beyond compare and our Spiritual Leige", so I expect they'll have him do that "maths equations float around head" scene thing and conclude he has to go along with the religious crazy at least in the short term.

Nah they won't even go that far. He'll be 100% cool with it as soon as he wakes up because he's secretly known what's happened to the Imperium all along while in stasis.

 Fayric wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

LightKing wrote:
So guys

is Cypher a good guy, since he is helping out Roboute?

Bit of both at this point. I won't spoil it for you here, so go read Gav Thorpe's (40K) Dark Angels series.

He is probably the guy Roboute need to have a beer with at the end of the day after discussing the Imperium with the religious fanatics Celestine and Voldus.
I can imagine Gulliman trying to argue with the religious lunatics, saying things like:
"-Well, back when I spoke to the Emperor, Personally, he was pretty clear about the "no worship" thing, he actually had me destroy whole civilizations for less."

Celestine is portrayed thus far as quite calm and will probably counter with. "That was then - he speaks to me all the time. The Imperium needs it s god to survive. All is as He has planned."

Greyfax - not sure - she might think he is a fake - I am still a little confused as to what era is is from - given that she is also apparently the one who killed (?) Inquisitor Valeria to save her from Trazyn and she was current era, wasn't she?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Nah they won't even go that far. He'll be 100% cool with it as soon as he wakes up because he's secretly known what's happened to the Imperium all along while in stasis.

I'm not sure the worship of the emperor being a thing would actually be news to him, though. He went into stasis when? The Imperial Cult was made official in M32, but it was growing even during the heresy and was known to exist by the Primarchs who survived.

He may disagree with the "religious crazy" at first. But I doubt he would discount its usefulness in controlling the populace. Not to mention if Cawl is on Ultramar then Celestine is probably around too. Might be hard to discount the Emperors divinity when he meets a bona fide living saint. Either way considering his history with the imperial creed and the Word bearers its going to be interesting to see how he reacts.

 kodos wrote:
So we get a TrueScale Primarch who looks strange among 28mm Marines.
I guess Robert will work well with True Scale Marines

my baseless theory for 8th is custodes for imperium, bobmarines for imperium secondus

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Not to mention if Cawl is on Ultramar then Celestine is probably around too. Might be hard to discount the Emperors divinity when he meets a bona fide living saint.

Meh, she's just a very strong psyker with an ego problem, if you want to look at it that way. I don't, to me she's a saint of the emprah, I'm just saying it's a matter of perspective.

Took some photos of the twitch stream. Roboute certainly looks better in the 360. I like the backpack a lot. You can also clearly see that the power armour is sitting on top of another suit inside, making the mini bigger but also making the bare head look tiny. The other problem with the version we have seen in the photos is that the head, chest and groin are all pointing in different directions. This makes for a very awkward pose. Simply by turning the head to face the same direction as the chest he looks like he is striding forward rather than doing the splits.
They also talked a fair amount about the set up of the story which I will share here if people wish.

Big guy aside (and apologies if this has been discussed I haven't read the whole thread) I'm really wandering what this means for the Dark Angels. Are the fallen going to be revealed as loyalists confirming rumours about the true events of the heresy. Are the fallen going to be welcomed back into the fold, unlikely. Are the Dark angels going to panic, launch an all out assault on Cypher, and in doing so get on the wrong side of Rowboat and start another civil war. Or are the DA just going to flat out turn rouge??? Any way it goes I see big changes for my favourite chapter and I am a little worried.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
He may disagree with the "religious crazy" at first. But I doubt he would discount its usefulness in controlling the populace. Not to mention if Cawl is on Ultramar then Celestine is probably around too. Might be hard to discount the Emperors divinity when he meets a bona fide living saint. Either way considering his history with the imperial creed and the Word bearers its going to be interesting to see how he reacts.

Rowboat: Note to self, the council of Nikaea may not have been so bad after all.

STORYTIME?!

 deathstalker013 wrote:
Big guy aside (and apologies if this has been discussed I haven't read the whole thread) I'm really wandering what this means for the Dark Angels. Are the fallen going to be revealed as loyalists confirming rumours about the true events of the heresy. Are the fallen going to be welcomed back into the fold, unlikely. Are the Dark angels going to panic, launch an all out assault on Cypher, and in doing so get on the wrong side of Rowboat and start another civil war. Or are the DA just going to flat out turn rouge??? Any way it goes I see big changes for my favourite chapter and I am a little worried.

I think they're going to turn rouge. After all, that would be a much better colour for them, what with the history of how the name and that of their primarch came to be.

The biggest problem I have with Ribit is that I can't imagine what his actual body looks like inside that armour. There is way too much space between the legs, looks like the Contemptor-style legs bolted on to the side of the hips. Would love if someone tried to pencil in his body on top of a photo to help me visualise it.

I don't think the head is badly sculpted though, I'm convinced it's just the over-the-top paint job that makes it look like he's got stage makeup on.

 Skylifter1000 wrote:

 deathstalker013 wrote:
Big guy aside (and apologies if this has been discussed I haven't read the whole thread) I'm really wandering what this means for the Dark Angels. Are the fallen going to be revealed as loyalists confirming rumours about the true events of the heresy. Are the fallen going to be welcomed back into the fold, unlikely. Are the Dark angels going to panic, launch an all out assault on Cypher, and in doing so get on the wrong side of Rowboat and start another civil war. Or are the DA just going to flat out turn rouge??? Any way it goes I see big changes for my favourite chapter and I am a little worried.

I think they're going to turn rouge. After all, that would be a much better colour for them, what with the history of how the name and that of their primarch came to be.

Ahh the grammar police are out, I'm typing on a phone (autocorrect) and I'm not that bothered.

 n0t_u wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
He may disagree with the "religious crazy" at first. But I doubt he would discount its usefulness in controlling the populace. Not to mention if Cawl is on Ultramar then Celestine is probably around too. Might be hard to discount the Emperors divinity when he meets a bona fide living saint. Either way considering his history with the imperial creed and the Word bearers its going to be interesting to see how he reacts.

Rowboat: Note to self, the council of Nikaea may not have been so bad after all.

He already went through this during the Heresy after the atrocities of Calth and the wider Shadow Crusade. He realised Librarians are kind of useful if you're facing warp beings.

Honestly while the posing is bad even by GW standards and the proportions are ridiculous as is expected from a GW sculpt.

They are not really the issue, even setting aside the fact it Is Captain beige of the Vanilla marines whom acheived so little during the Heresy due to also turning traitor just not with Horus(Yes I know the real reason for the UM doing sweet fa was due to them having to be retconned into the heresy years after the original story)

Famous for pinching other peoples tactics as he had none of his own and being the greatest quarter master the imperium ever saw(seriously not one unit ran out of loo rolls under his watch).

The issue for me is that the minature seems to have had every technique the sculptor knew how to do just thrown on it and on top of each other. It has no unified style or aesthetic it is layer after layer of extraneous detail it is terrible on every level with so much going on it blurs into a blob of blue and gold.

That ignores GW's usual issues in that they only hire sculpters whom seem to have never looked at a human and cannot sculpt faces.

 deathstalker013 wrote:

 Skylifter1000 wrote:

 deathstalker013 wrote:
Big guy aside (and apologies if this has been discussed I haven't read the whole thread) I'm really wandering what this means for the Dark Angels. Are the fallen going to be revealed as loyalists confirming rumours about the true events of the heresy. Are the fallen going to be welcomed back into the fold, unlikely. Are the Dark angels going to panic, launch an all out assault on Cypher, and in doing so get on the wrong side of Rowboat and start another civil war. Or are the DA just going to flat out turn rouge??? Any way it goes I see big changes for my favourite chapter and I am a little worried.

I think they're going to turn rouge. After all, that would be a much better colour for them, what with the history of how the name and that of their primarch came to be.

Ahh the grammar police are out, I'm typing on a phone (autocorrect) and I'm not that bothered.

Not meant to insult you, I just found it funny, since DA have often been called gay and all.

The helmeted version makes me happy. The only chump who is allowed to walk to war in my armies is Tigurius, and thats because i didnt feel like drilling out his head.