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Although it won't be End Times for 40k


could you guys see this all leading into a new subtitle

Warhammer: Age of Ultramar or something like that

LightKing wrote:
Although it won't be End Times for 40k


could you guys see this all leading into a new subtitle

Warhammer: Age of Ultramar or something like that

Please stop spamming tangential questions in the Rumour thread. You've already received a warning, best not to push your luck.

Has the Star Child and Sensei / Illuminati plot lines been killed off over the years? I rather liked the whole Star Child prophecy, with the current Emperor's Death being the key to destroy the Chaos Gods.

That's basically what the Alpha Legion are up to, probably, allegedly, though it's not explicitly named.

What better way to birth the god of death than to kill the emprah? That'd be a twist.

But it's probably not that

I'd still love to see the Emperor's soul released into the warp where he becomes a 5th major chaos god, then Lorgar comes back as a daemon prince of the Emperor. The Imperium splits in civil war over whether to worship the new chaos god or continue opposing all things chaos.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I'd still love to see the Emperor's soul released into the warp where he becomes a 5th major chaos god, then Lorgar comes back as a daemon prince of the Emperor. The Imperium splits in civil war over whether to worship the new chaos god or continue opposing all things chaos.

I have a feeling that's what's happening, but that the Emperor will not be a Chaos God. He will be the God of Mankind, with Celestine as his Saint. Lorgar will be something akin to Satan, and the Emperor's release will quell any doubts from returning Primarchs.

S long as they don't destroy miniature lines and pee all over the established background for jollys/to sell rediculous stuff then im ok with it. And id rather there wasnt silly scale creep

 techsoldaten wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I'd still love to see the Emperor's soul released into the warp where he becomes a 5th major chaos god, then Lorgar comes back as a daemon prince of the Emperor. The Imperium splits in civil war over whether to worship the new chaos god or continue opposing all things chaos.

I have a feeling that's what's happening, but that the Emperor will not be a Chaos God. He will be the God of Mankind, with Celestine as his Saint. Lorgar will be something akin to Satan, and the Emperor's release will quell any doubts from returning Primarchs.

Lorgar has been sitting on the fence for 10000 years not choosing a god. Maybe Lorgar has this whole time been waiting for his extravagantly elaborate plot, to prove to the Emperor that he is indeed a god, to play out? Then having spent ten millenia learning all that is chaos, Lorgar will guide the Emperor to his rightful place as the center of the 8 pointed path.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
S long as they don't destroy miniature lines and pee all over the established background for jollys/to sell rediculous stuff then im ok with it. And id rather there wasnt silly scale creep

That's my concern already. AoS did remove the cool things like Imperial Artillery Units

I'm not so sure about this. I love the "and the gods walk among man" feeling with the primarchs but I also love the grimdark "There is only war, and god isn't coming to save us this time" approach. If the next one looks less derpy I might consider getting back into 40k. Until then I'm sticking with HH.

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NivlacSupreme wrote:
I'm not so sure about this. I love the "and the gods walk among man" feeling with the primarchs but I also love the grimdark "There is only war, and god isn't coming to save us this time" approach. If the next one looks less derpy I might consider getting back into 40k. Until then I'm sticking with HH.

Indeed, I love the whole crumbling Imperium trying to keep itself together and menaces everywhere vibe. Inquisitor and Dark Heresy were great, I think that if something happens with the Emperor then 40k will lose (bg wise) a lot of what makes it feel so good. IIm all for advancing the plot a bit but theyd probably be wise to be careful how they go about it

I'm really hoping this leads into and brings back the old chaos orks. A nice small alliance of chaos demons and khorne worshipping orks with some demon summoning weirdboy would be fun. I know orks are genetically resistant to corruption of any kind but some chaos orks can exist if rare.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I'm not so sure about this. I love the "and the gods walk among man" feeling with the primarchs but I also love the grimdark "There is only war, and god isn't coming to save us this time" approach. If the next one looks less derpy I might consider getting back into 40k. Until then I'm sticking with HH.

Indeed, I love the whole crumbling Imperium trying to keep itself together and menaces everywhere vibe. Inquisitor and Dark Heresy were great, I think that if something happens with the Emperor then 40k will lose (bg wise) a lot of what makes it feel so good. IIm all for advancing the plot a bit but theyd probably be wise to be careful how they go about it

I could see it working well if they play it right. Having the Emperor's death be the salvation of god coming to save them would be suitably ironic considering it's something the Imperium has been dreading/preventing for 10,000 years. Having that god be subsequently rejected by those he is trying to save would be the most 40k-ish response I could imagine. It would also allow splitting the Imperium into pro-Emprah and anti-Emprah sides, and even the holy 'good' side could still be riddled with faults in appropriately 40k-ish fashion. Unfortunately I don't expect GW to pull the upcoming plot off that well, but I don't see it as impossible either given the corner they turned.

The Imperium is a fractured shadow of its former glories. While Abbadons great black crusade was finally stopped at the 2nd siege of the Imperial palace and the growing Eye of terror pushed back and scattered, the cost was immense. The Astronomican flickers in and out of existence like a candle in a snow storm and dark rumors come from Terra that the Emperor himself has been slain. His returned sons struggle to hold the Imperium together against a rising tide of rebellion and intercine wars between competing factions. The scattered remains of the expanded Eye of terror provide sanctuary to the retreating Chaos forces who watch the Imperium like a pack of hungry predator's.

The Eldar have also fallen to infighting amongst there factions over the alleged return of several of there gods. All while engaged in a three way war with various Necron and Chaos warlords over the newly exposed crone worlds in and around the former Eye of terror. Tyranid bio fleets still reeling from the psychic backlash unleashed by the scattering of the Eye surge and swarm consuming all they find, even other Tyranid fleets.The Tau aggressively surge into new systems while Ork warlords rampage virtually unhindered across a galaxy in flames.

And on a forgotten world far from ancient Terra a new born human child is bathed in a nimbus of golden power and regards its surroundings with eyes that speak of a truly old soul.

Just spit balling

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
S long as they don't destroy miniature lines and pee all over the established background for jollys/to sell rediculous stuff then im ok with it. And id rather there wasnt silly scale creep

That horse has long since bolted. I'm not sure closing the gate will do anything at this point....

The release of these Gathering Storm books are awesome. Especially the bringing back of the Primarch. I don't really mind that they brought one back, I mean, look at magnus.

I think that the revival of Roboute Gulliman could have significant effect on the story line - will he be disgusted at the Imperium has become? or will he start Imperium Secundus again etc. All very interesting questions to be answered. I do hope for the latter because maybe another Imperium civil war on the verge?

I hope the Emperor dies. I want to see him reborn and fulfill the Aeldari prophecy of the Star Child. I'm a huge Imperium fan and a space marine player, and I want the Imperium to be on the verge of annihilation

Wouldn't it be Imperium Tertius?

 Alpharius wrote:
Wouldn't it be Imperium Tertius?

Nope, that would be the end-result of the mess from Nova terra back in the 35th millenium. We are looking at Imperium Fourtus at the very least.

Imperium Primus - Pre heresy, Emperors work in progress.
Imperium Secundus - Roboute Guilliman's attempt to save what he believed was left/power grab/safe room.
Imperium Tertius - Post Heresy, built from what was left of Primus.
Imperium Quadus/Quattor?(Really need a better Latin sounding word for four) - What Guilliman does after breakfast

Edit - Forgot about all the other stuff between the HH and "now" like Nova Terra.

How about the actual Latin ordinal? Quartus.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
How about the actual Latin ordinal? Quartus.

If we do what will follow? Reasonably sized primarchs? Basic human rights?

Ha!

You beat me to it!

Imperium Quartus it is!

Or is it even Imperium Quintus now?

GW probably hopes we don't get to Imperium Sextus...

This whole storyline does have me really looking forward to Book IV in the series (or Book I of the next, I guess) - can't wait until we get to Terra!

 Alpharius wrote:
Ha!

You beat me to it!

Imperium Quartus it is!

Or is it even Imperium Quintus now?

GW probably hopes we don't get to Imperium Sextus...

This whole storyline does have me really looking forward to Book IV in the series (or Book I of the next, I guess) - can't wait until we get to Terra!

IF we get there.

i think it obvious that this is all setting the tone for 8th. im thinking that they looked at the sigmar sales vs WHFB sales, and while not pulling a full sigmar, hope to change things up a bit in 40k enough to generate even more sales. they want marine on marine combat, and they like new swirly whirly gold and blue models. so theres plenty of oppurtunity to dish them out given a new popular faction - esp lore wise its the logical conclusion with Our Liege's history of political ambitions.

so long as our oligarchic space north korean theocracy stays and the emperor still resides "alive" with the flickering astronomican still intact i can handle it. those "aeldarin" knife ears better hook up Our Leige with some FTL tho just in case.

My Latin professor says imperium Quartus if you want to match the others and be fourth. Quartum would match Imperium's gender better.

My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

That sounds pretty bad to me personally and I think RG makes the most sense to come back first considering the current threat the imperium is facing.

 shinros wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

That sounds pretty bad to me personally and I think RG makes the most sense to come back first considering the current threat the imperium is facing.

How is that bad? That's literally the most metal thing that could have happened. Its not exactly unlike Khorne to give favor to dudes explicitly against him so long as they spill gratutious amounts of blood...effectively worshipping him anyway.
Is RG gonna politick away the Chaos force heading for the imperium's throat? I know what you're saying: the Imperium's biggest problem right now is a lack of organization....and you're wrong.
Magnus showed up, turned Fenris (a fething ball of ice) into a desert and annihilated one of the most formidable fleets assembled in recent memory...effortlessly. If he were to show up on Terra the Imperium is done.
And hes likely far stronger now given that he has a firm hold in real space now that his daemon world is near Prospero. And there are fething 5 others!!!!
Some undone paperwork isnt as threatening to an empire as daemonic gods barreling down at you like a meteor is. Its that simple