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Lord Kragan wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Ha!

You beat me to it!

Imperium Quartus it is!

Or is it even Imperium Quintus now?

GW probably hopes we don't get to Imperium Sextus...

This whole storyline does have me really looking forward to Book IV in the series (or Book I of the next, I guess) - can't wait until we get to Terra!

IF we get there.

You know, I was thinking that just as I hit <enter> on the <submit> button.

It would be too much of a tease and a massive letdown if they DON'T get to Terra!

 ThePrimordial wrote:
My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

He's the head of the largest faction of marines (ultras and all their successors). He will be able to unite all of them and make a solid stand. That gives time for other forces of chaos to emerge and bring us closer to the brink, and time for other loyal primaries like Alpharius to come to the Emperors defense. This might be a three book arc for this year, but I can see them doing multiple arcs each bringing back a primarch or two. It's a good hype and has everyone talking and building up their forces. Your solution is a quick one and done, people will build one force and then be over it and the story ends with everyone back in their corners again.

Roboute came back first because hes a Primarch that actually did something more than kill people, and has a character that will force other people to react to him.

Russ would cone back and be a general, and thats all he would be. Dorn would stoically bear what is happening, and be a general.

With Guilliman back first, the other loyalists can return and react to the things Guilliman does, since without someone to instigate things i find the rest if the loyalists tend to sit around and build walls, mope, or drink heavily.

Guillliman came back first because they knew where he was. The others are missing.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

That sounds pretty bad to me personally and I think RG makes the most sense to come back first considering the current threat the imperium is facing.

How is that bad? That's literally the most metal thing that could have happened. Its not exactly unlike Khorne to give favor to dudes explicitly against him so long as they spill gratutious amounts of blood...effectively worshipping him anyway.
Is RG gonna politick away the Chaos force heading for the imperium's throat? I know what you're saying: the Imperium's biggest problem right now is a lack of organization....and you're wrong.
Magnus showed up, turned Fenris (a fething ball of ice) into a desert and annihilated one of the most formidable fleets assembled in recent memory...effortlessly. If he were to show up on Terra the Imperium is done.
And hes likely far stronger now given that he has a firm hold in real space now that his daemon world is near Prospero. And there are fething 5 others!!!!
Some undone paperwork isnt as threatening to an empire as daemonic gods barreling down at you like a meteor is. Its that simple

Khorne can't just give out buffs, the other end has to be accepting of it, and if Russ did accept it, he ain't no loyalist.

Roboute is obviously first because he is going to have the greatest impact.

If/when Lion comes back, he's not really going to do much apart from spill the beans on what happened on Caliban and then swing a sword around.

Roboute is going to Terra, with Cypher, and that is going to answer a lot of questions one way or another. Not to mention that GW reiterated the rumor that the sword on his back is the Lion Sword, and based on Guilliman's reaction to it, the iconography of the sword on Cypher's new model, and the size of the sword (Luther was explicitly not the size of a space marine per the lore), it is inconceivable that it is not related to Lion's return in some way.

Sounds like the Eldar want a puppet. Rowboat might fit their strings perfectly.

 IMMORTAN_AL wrote:
i think it obvious that this is all setting the tone for 8th. im thinking that they looked at the sigmar sales vs WHFB sales, and while not pulling a full sigmar, hope to change things up a bit in 40k enough to generate even more sales. they want marine on marine combat, and they like new swirly whirly gold and blue models. so theres plenty of oppurtunity to dish them out given a new popular faction - esp lore wise its the logical conclusion with Our Liege's history of political ambitions.

so long as our oligarchic space north korean theocracy stays and the emperor still resides "alive" with the flickering astronomican still intact i can handle it. those "aeldarin" knife ears better hook up Our Leige with some FTL tho just in case.

Doing an AoS means different things to different people but it seems fairly obvious they are
A) Moving from the fluff being a setting (ignore the fact there was progress which undermines that point) to an episodic narrative.
B) Moving from having a core number of factions that occasionally get updates to having big alliances with countless potential mini-faction releases.

Consider the Aeldari after Beil-Tan.

You have the Ynnari under Yvraine.
You have Vect's New Commorragh.
You have the Mandrakes and Haemonculi.
You have potentially New Harlequins.
Every Craftworld could have a release based on its "new" experience after the recent events.
You have Exodites and Corsairs.

That would allow for 10-11 releases which would get them well into the next decade.

So I expect the next book will further encourage the Imperium as grand alliance - with the hope that players start thinking of themselves as "Imperium players" rather than just Space Wolf players, Sisters players, Guard players etc.

Following on from that I'd expect Chaos to get the same treatment in the next trilogy along with whatever they are going to do with the Xenos factions.

I dont trust those dirty conniving Xenos for one second, they say they need a Primarch for humanity to rally around.

Surely it's not going to be so simple. Primarch or not, a lot of the Imperial society has become so indoctrinated, they aren't gonna swallow the 'The Emperor is not a God' pill so lightly if RG goes off on one, especially if they know he was rezzed from dirty magic. It could very well risk breaking the Imperium apart.

The Eldar don't care about humanity's salvation, only their own, they planning something brah, I can feel it!

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

That sounds pretty bad to me personally and I think RG makes the most sense to come back first considering the current threat the imperium is facing.

How is that bad? That's literally the most metal thing that could have happened. Its not exactly unlike Khorne to give favor to dudes explicitly against him so long as they spill gratutious amounts of blood...effectively worshipping him anyway.
Is RG gonna politick away the Chaos force heading for the imperium's throat? I know what you're saying: the Imperium's biggest problem right now is a lack of organization....and you're wrong.
Magnus showed up, turned Fenris (a fething ball of ice) into a desert and annihilated one of the most formidable fleets assembled in recent memory...effortlessly. If he were to show up on Terra the Imperium is done.
And hes likely far stronger now given that he has a firm hold in real space now that his daemon world is near Prospero. And there are fething 5 others!!!!
Some undone paperwork isnt as threatening to an empire as daemonic gods barreling down at you like a meteor is. Its that simple

I think it's things like this which make me hate the use of "metal" to describe anything aside from the actual material.

If Khorne gave Russ his blessing, then Russ must have accepted it - that means Russ is a heretic, and therefore not a suitable Primarch to lead the Imperium.
Just the spillage of blood isn't worship of Khorne. Spilling of blood IN KHORNE'S NAME is worship of him.

RG is (theoretically) going to hold enemy back, and then reform the Imperium into a better fighting state. You see Ultramar, and how successful that is as a state? Imagine that on a galactic scale (if he can unify the Imperium).

If you think a single magick-ed up Daemon Primarch is the Imperium's biggest issue... you're also wrong. Angron, a stronger Daemon Primarch, was defeated by the Grey Knights. Magnus can be defeated similarly, especially is Old Buddy Old Pal Old Friendo Draigo shows up.

If the Imperium stays how it is without a reform and reorganisation, it'll split without anyone even reaching Terra. The strain on the infrastructure, the civil unrest, and the lack of a reinvigorated faith in the Emperor will sent humanity to another Dark Age. And a shattered humanity is a dead one.

Magnus is actually weaker, given his time in real space, and the effort spent on destroying Midgardia. And no, there are not five of him, and even less reason to swear.
Angron is banished.
Lorgar is doing nothing.
Mortarion is banished, not sure for how long.
Fulgrim is active.
Perturabo is active.
Alpharius may as well be dead, we have no idea about him.

So, two Daemon Primarchs active, barring Magnus. Neither has done anything on Magnus' scale before. And even if there were 5, Leman Russ won't be able to stop them. If that is true, the Imperium would need reorganising to even hope to fight them and have a tactician - not a barbarian.

Undone paperwork isn't the biggest threat. Incompetent leaders, such as ones who try to charge in and throw valuable resources at massive threats without any consideration for infrastructure and logistics are the threat to the Imperium right now - deeming them as just "undone paperwork.". The Imperium needs a leader who can hold the line and understand that the "undone paperwork" will grow into a tsunami and crush them all if they can't fix it. Without Guilliman, that can't be fixed.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I dont trust those dirty conniving Xenos for one second, they say they need a Primarch for humanity to rally around.

Surely it's not going to be so simple. Primarch or not, a lot of the Imperial society has become so indoctrinated, they aren't gonna swallow the 'The Emperor is not a God' pill so lightly if RG goes off on one, especially if they know he was rezzed from dirty magic. It could very well risk breaking the Imperium apart.

The Eldar don't care about humanity's salvation, only their own, they planning something brah, I can feel it!

According to the White Dwarf and book II:

"... even with the half-awakened Ynnead by their side, they need an ally to change the fate of the galaxy. As the Shadowseer Sylandri Veilwalker gravely says in the story, the Tau are too young, the Orks too unpredictable and the Tyranids out of the question, leaving the unpredictable, easily corruptible humans as the only viable choice. It's not an option that appeals to many of the Eldar."

Yeah , we are unpredictable, says the damn Space Elves with their Farseers shenanigans

TedNugent wrote:Roboute is obviously first because he is going to have the greatest impact.

If/when Lion comes back, he's not really going to do much apart from spill the beans on what happened on Caliban and then swing a sword around.

Roboute is going to Terra, with Cypher, and that is going to answer a lot of questions one way or another. Not to mention that GW reiterated the rumor that the sword on his back is the Lion Sword, and based on Guilliman's reaction to it, the iconography of the sword on Cypher's new model, and the size of the sword (Luther was explicitly not the size of a space marine per the lore), it is inconceivable that it is not related to Lion's return in some way.

And since only the Watchers in the Dark and The Emperor know where Lion El'Jonson is, I would say it would be the Emperor who wakes him or he tells someone about The Lion and then they wake him up.

unmercifulconker wrote:I dont trust those dirty conniving Xenos for one second, they say they need a Primarch for humanity to rally around.

Surely it's not going to be so simple. Primarch or not, a lot of the Imperial society has become so indoctrinated, they aren't gonna swallow the 'The Emperor is not a God' pill so lightly if RG goes off on one, especially if they know he was rezzed from dirty magic. It could very well risk breaking the Imperium apart.

The Eldar don't care about humanity's salvation, only their own, they planning something brah, I can feel it!

And this is why this is so great. What are the Eldar or Ieldara (spelling?) really up to? Where did I just read this? If it takes one million human lives to save one Eldar life, it's worth it for them? So of course they are up to something and I am not an Eldar person, I would still like to know.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I dont trust those dirty conniving Xenos for one second, they say they need a Primarch for humanity to rally around.

Surely it's not going to be so simple. Primarch or not, a lot of the Imperial society has become so indoctrinated, they aren't gonna swallow the 'The Emperor is not a God' pill so lightly if RG goes off on one, especially if they know he was rezzed from dirty magic. It could very well risk breaking the Imperium apart.

The Eldar don't care about humanity's salvation, only their own, they planning something brah, I can feel it!

According to the White Dwarf and book II:

"... even with the half-awakened Ynnead by their side, they need an ally to change the fate of the galaxy. As the Shadowseer Sylandri Veilwalker gravely says in the story, the Tau are too young, the Orks too unpredictable and the Tyranids out of the question, leaving the unpredictable, easily corruptible humans as the only viable choice. It's not an option that appeals to many of the Eldar."

Yeah , we are unpredictable, says the damn Space Elves with their Farseers shenanigans

Right up to Eldrad going off the deep end, the Eldar were wholly predictable; if there was a way to save an extra Eldar life, it would be taken. Not their fault you don't have all the info, nor particularly care for the objective.

I just hope my Primarch Corax is brought back.

Hi guys. Remember that Edgar Allen Poe I quoted, something about "Nevermore"? Yeah, I take that back. I'm back!

I wonder if he'll be warp tainted. Leman Russ is apparently going to be a werewolf, maybe my Primarch will be a big bird?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

That sounds pretty bad to me personally and I think RG makes the most sense to come back first considering the current threat the imperium is facing.

How is that bad? That's literally the most metal thing that could have happened. Its not exactly unlike Khorne to give favor to dudes explicitly against him so long as they spill gratutious amounts of blood...effectively worshipping him anyway.
Is RG gonna politick away the Chaos force heading for the imperium's throat? I know what you're saying: the Imperium's biggest problem right now is a lack of organization....and you're wrong.
Magnus showed up, turned Fenris (a fething ball of ice) into a desert and annihilated one of the most formidable fleets assembled in recent memory...effortlessly. If he were to show up on Terra the Imperium is done.
And hes likely far stronger now given that he has a firm hold in real space now that his daemon world is near Prospero. And there are fething 5 others!!!!
Some undone paperwork isnt as threatening to an empire as daemonic gods barreling down at you like a meteor is. Its that simple

I think it's things like this which make me hate the use of "metal" to describe anything aside from the actual material.

If Khorne gave Russ his blessing, then Russ must have accepted it - that means Russ is a heretic, and therefore not a suitable Primarch to lead the Imperium.
Just the spillage of blood isn't worship of Khorne. Spilling of blood IN KHORNE'S NAME is worship of him.

RG is (theoretically) going to hold enemy back, and then reform the Imperium into a better fighting state. You see Ultramar, and how successful that is as a state? Imagine that on a galactic scale (if he can unify the Imperium).

If you think a single magick-ed up Daemon Primarch is the Imperium's biggest issue... you're also wrong. Angron, a stronger Daemon Primarch, was defeated by the Grey Knights. Magnus can be defeated similarly, especially is Old Buddy Old Pal Old Friendo Draigo shows up.

If the Imperium stays how it is without a reform and reorganisation, it'll split without anyone even reaching Terra. The strain on the infrastructure, the civil unrest, and the lack of a reinvigorated faith in the Emperor will sent humanity to another Dark Age. And a shattered humanity is a dead one.

Magnus is actually weaker, given his time in real space, and the effort spent on destroying Midgardia. And no, there are not five of him, and even less reason to swear.
Angron is banished.
Lorgar is doing nothing.
Mortarion is banished, not sure for how long.
Fulgrim is active.
Perturabo is active.
Alpharius may as well be dead, we have no idea about him.

So, two Daemon Primarchs active, barring Magnus. Neither has done anything on Magnus' scale before. And even if there were 5, Leman Russ won't be able to stop them. If that is true, the Imperium would need reorganising to even hope to fight them and have a tactician - not a barbarian.

Undone paperwork isn't the biggest threat. Incompetent leaders, such as ones who try to charge in and throw valuable resources at massive threats without any consideration for infrastructure and logistics are the threat to the Imperium right now - deeming them as just "undone paperwork.". The Imperium needs a leader who can hold the line and understand that the "undone paperwork" will grow into a tsunami and crush them all if they can't fix it. Without Guilliman, that can't be fixed.

ok Lorgar doing nothing can be changed VERY fast, until wraith of magnus, mangus had been "doing nothing" Angron and Mortarian being banished is.. questionable. the warp works in weird ways. if they came back it'd shock me not at alll.

Lorgar or Fulgrim coming back to fight Roboute would be good. Roboute has to toss Lorgars broken corpse into hell, after all.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

That sounds pretty bad to me personally and I think RG makes the most sense to come back first considering the current threat the imperium is facing.

How is that bad? That's literally the most metal thing that could have happened. Its not exactly unlike Khorne to give favor to dudes explicitly against him so long as they spill gratutious amounts of blood...effectively worshipping him anyway.
Is RG gonna politick away the Chaos force heading for the imperium's throat? I know what you're saying: the Imperium's biggest problem right now is a lack of organization....and you're wrong.
Magnus showed up, turned Fenris (a fething ball of ice) into a desert and annihilated one of the most formidable fleets assembled in recent memory...effortlessly. If he were to show up on Terra the Imperium is done.
And hes likely far stronger now given that he has a firm hold in real space now that his daemon world is near Prospero. And there are fething 5 others!!!!
Some undone paperwork isnt as threatening to an empire as daemonic gods barreling down at you like a meteor is. Its that simple

I think it's things like this which make me hate the use of "metal" to describe anything aside from the actual material.

If Khorne gave Russ his blessing, then Russ must have accepted it - that means Russ is a heretic, and therefore not a suitable Primarch to lead the Imperium.
Just the spillage of blood isn't worship of Khorne. Spilling of blood IN KHORNE'S NAME is worship of him.

RG is (theoretically) going to hold enemy back, and then reform the Imperium into a better fighting state. You see Ultramar, and how successful that is as a state? Imagine that on a galactic scale (if he can unify the Imperium).

If you think a single magick-ed up Daemon Primarch is the Imperium's biggest issue... you're also wrong. Angron, a stronger Daemon Primarch, was defeated by the Grey Knights. Magnus can be defeated similarly, especially is Old Buddy Old Pal Old Friendo Draigo shows up.

If the Imperium stays how it is without a reform and reorganisation, it'll split without anyone even reaching Terra. The strain on the infrastructure, the civil unrest, and the lack of a reinvigorated faith in the Emperor will sent humanity to another Dark Age. And a shattered humanity is a dead one.

Magnus is actually weaker, given his time in real space, and the effort spent on destroying Midgardia. And no, there are not five of him, and even less reason to swear.
Angron is banished.
Lorgar is doing nothing.
Mortarion is banished, not sure for how long.
Fulgrim is active.
Perturabo is active.
Alpharius may as well be dead, we have no idea about him.

So, two Daemon Primarchs active, barring Magnus. Neither has done anything on Magnus' scale before. And even if there were 5, Leman Russ won't be able to stop them. If that is true, the Imperium would need reorganising to even hope to fight them and have a tactician - not a barbarian.

Undone paperwork isn't the biggest threat. Incompetent leaders, such as ones who try to charge in and throw valuable resources at massive threats without any consideration for infrastructure and logistics are the threat to the Imperium right now - deeming them as just "undone paperwork.". The Imperium needs a leader who can hold the line and understand that the "undone paperwork" will grow into a tsunami and crush them all if they can't fix it. Without Guilliman, that can't be fixed.

ok Lorgar doing nothing can be changed VERY fast, until wraith of magnus, mangus had been "doing nothing" Angron and Mortarian being banished is.. questionable. the warp works in weird ways. if they came back it'd shock me not at alll.

Oh of course, but it hasn't changed. I'm working off the current situation, not a hypothetical one.

And in the same vein as Lorgar getting up and doing something, Lion/Russ/Corax/Vulkan/Khan could do the same.

If the Ragnar books still count, Magnus was active in the past and tried what he had done in the campaign book at least 4 times before.

Hm, I see they are bringing back Rawbutt Girlyman. Interesting.


I'm willing to bet that the hair on Matthew Ward's palms are thicker than a tropical rain forest by now.


The thing that really piques my interest in the presence of Cypher among "Team Order". It'll be interesting to see what role he plays in this little game.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

Hm, I see they are bringing back Rawbutt Girlyman. Interesting.


I'm willing to bet that the hair on Matthew Ward's palms are thicker than a tropical rain forest by now.


The thing that really piques my interest in the presence of Cypher among "Team Order". It'll be interesting to see what role he plays in this little game.

yeah even as a guy with an Ultramarines and Grey Knights army, with no partiuclar intreast in the dark angels. Cypher strikes me as the real "INTREEEEEEESTING" part here.

I'm also curious what role the "Imperial Trimuvirate" from fall of cadia will have, they'll feature in the story obviously, but will we see say, a celestine/gulliman formation etc?

 Theophony wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
My biggest question is why bring back Guilliman first?
Wouldn't it have been far better to bring back Russ to banish Magnus?
That would have made the writing so much better. Magnus single handedly destroyed a large battle fleet and was proving to be seemingly invincible. Until he gets distracted and the Grey Knights banish him out of nowhere.....
Would've made a lot more sense If Russ showed up with some serious buffs courtesy of Khorne, rallied the Imperial forces and then have EVERYONE throw EVERYTHING at Magnus, who would probably just barely be killed after exhausting Russ' Khorne buffs.
Would've made things more cinematic and would've made the most sense considering they introduced Magnus first.

He's the head of the largest faction of marines (ultras and all their successors). He will be able to unite all of them and make a solid stand. That gives time for other forces of chaos to emerge and bring us closer to the brink, and time for other loyal primaries like Alpharius to come to the Emperors defense. This might be a three book arc for this year, but I can see them doing multiple arcs each bringing back a primarch or two. It's a good hype and has everyone talking and building up their forces. Your solution is a quick one and done, people will build one force and then be over it and the story ends with everyone back in their corners again.

You are probably correct with the slow, long haul theory due to gw and generating sales


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 Mr_Rose wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I dont trust those dirty conniving Xenos for one second, they say they need a Primarch for humanity to rally around.

Surely it's not going to be so simple. Primarch or not, a lot of the Imperial society has become so indoctrinated, they aren't gonna swallow the 'The Emperor is not a God' pill so lightly if RG goes off on one, especially if they know he was rezzed from dirty magic. It could very well risk breaking the Imperium apart.

The Eldar don't care about humanity's salvation, only their own, they planning something brah, I can feel it!

According to the White Dwarf and book II:

"... even with the half-awakened Ynnead by their side, they need an ally to change the fate of the galaxy. As the Shadowseer Sylandri Veilwalker gravely says in the story, the Tau are too young, the Orks too unpredictable and the Tyranids out of the question, leaving the unpredictable, easily corruptible humans as the only viable choice. It's not an option that appeals to many of the Eldar."

Yeah , we are unpredictable, says the damn Space Elves with their Farseers shenanigans

Right up to Eldrad going off the deep end, the Eldar were wholly predictable; if there was a way to save an extra Eldar life, it would be taken. Not their fault you don't have all the info, nor particularly care for the objective.

Eldrad went off the deep end?

 lord marcus wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I dont trust those dirty conniving Xenos for one second, they say they need a Primarch for humanity to rally around.

Surely it's not going to be so simple. Primarch or not, a lot of the Imperial society has become so indoctrinated, they aren't gonna swallow the 'The Emperor is not a God' pill so lightly if RG goes off on one, especially if they know he was rezzed from dirty magic. It could very well risk breaking the Imperium apart.

The Eldar don't care about humanity's salvation, only their own, they planning something brah, I can feel it!

According to the White Dwarf and book II:

"... even with the half-awakened Ynnead by their side, they need an ally to change the fate of the galaxy. As the Shadowseer Sylandri Veilwalker gravely says in the story, the Tau are too young, the Orks too unpredictable and the Tyranids out of the question, leaving the unpredictable, easily corruptible humans as the only viable choice. It's not an option that appeals to many of the Eldar."

Yeah , we are unpredictable, says the damn Space Elves with their Farseers shenanigans

Right up to Eldrad going off the deep end, the Eldar were wholly predictable; if there was a way to save an extra Eldar life, it would be taken. Not their fault you don't have all the info, nor particularly care for the objective.

Eldrad went off the deep end?

Depends on your point of view I guess… he obviously thought that having every remaining Eldar die to "save" themselves was a bit off, but then that presupposes that Ynnead was ever going to be a real thing which it seems a whole lot of Eldar were not totally down with. So from their perspective he's gone completely buggo and… is killed the right word? They were already mostly dead… anyway, used a lot of dead Eldar to create an abomination that should never have been. So, yeah, off the deep end just a little, what with the worshiping a god that doesn't exist yet and enacting plans to create it, as though one mortal could do such a thing…

incidentally, it sounds like book 2 had an unconfirmed sighting of Fulgrim, I suspect he'll be the Primarch brought back after Gulliman, assuming they go with a traitor, loyalist, traitor, loyalist, introduction pattern

I was considering doing a Logar conversion.... Now I'll wait.

Just going to step in here and remind everyone that at the end of Wrath of Magnus there's a blurb about how the Space Wolves get a distress call from Cadia. All of the daemon primarchs, even Magnus, are sighted on the planet. Not too sure about anyone being banished anymore. Banished or not, everybody (except Magnus) swore fealty to Abaddon prior to the Black Crusade (Supplement: Black Legion). Angron swore to fight because Abaddon impressed him in his gladiator arena, Mortarion gave Typhus the Zombie Plague to spread for Abaddon and swore to fight because of being given the Hand of Darkness, Fulgrim took the soul of the purest psyker and swore to fight (Pandorax), Perturabo actually didn't need any convincing aside from being reminded of his hatred of the Imperial Fists (also, if memory serves, Abaddon led him to Medusa 5 to attack the Iron Hands' homeworld, so he owes him one) to give Abaddon thousands of daemon engines. Lorgar agreed that the Gods are with Abaddon and gave him the means for creating the Red Path/ teaching him how to summon tonnes of daemons. All of the daemon primarchs are active in the "real world" (not the Warp).

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Lorgar or Fulgrim coming back to fight Roboute would be good. Roboute has to toss Lorgars broken corpse into hell, after all.

No、 Lorgar has studied chaos for 10.000 years and has come to the conclusion that he was wrong and the eldar pantheon is the true pantheon to follow splitting the Wordbearers

ok how's this Logar has spent 10000 years watching the imperium become what it is in the large part due to religon. He now understands what his father was trying to avoid and why he was so angry with him. He renounces chaos and returns to the imperium to correct his mistakes.

I thought for sure the primarch would be Russ coming back to crack Magnus over his knee again. To bad it was gilly

The way the background for the Gathering Storm series has been written explains why Mat Ward said on twitter last year he was doing work for GW again.

It's clearly his story.

Given so far these read exactly the same as the end times, and that was his final work for GW back in the day.

I do like them moving it forward, it's just not written very well at all. Sometimes it just reads like an average fan fic.

I'd contend that most fluff elements are rarely well written in these kind of books. Anything that isn't done by Abnett, ADB,or McNeil is going come off as poor by comparison. I wish that Abnett could be the guy to write some for RG since he easily did a better job than anyone else with Know No Fear and Unremembered Empire.