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He's 400 points. Comparatively, a Wraithguard bomb is 255. 355 if you want a Farseer to twin-link it. The bomb would likely kill him too I think.

I'd say the Aeldari are a lot stronger thanks to SfD. We'll have to see what/any detachments the Imperium gets but I'm pretty sure Ultramarines won't be unseating Eldar's top 3 tournament status just because of Roboute.

Audustum wrote:
He's 400 points. Comparatively, a Wraithguard bomb is 255. 355 if you want a Farseer to twin-link it. The bomb would likely kill him too I think.

I'd say the Aeldari are a lot stronger thanks to SfD. We'll have to see what/any detachments the Imperium gets but I'm pretty sure Ultramarines won't be unseating Eldar's top 3 tournament status just because of Roboute.

400 points is pretty solid, it's pretty much what I predicted he'd be. as for gulliman unseating eldar, I don't expect it to, that said I just did the math, it's POSSIABLE to slide a cheap CAD with gulliman in it (in this case a bare bones Libby, and 2 bare bones scout squads) into a somewhat bare bones Battle company.

BrianDavion wrote:

Audustum wrote:
He's 400 points. Comparatively, a Wraithguard bomb is 255. 355 if you want a Farseer to twin-link it. The bomb would likely kill him too I think.

I'd say the Aeldari are a lot stronger thanks to SfD. We'll have to see what/any detachments the Imperium gets but I'm pretty sure Ultramarines won't be unseating Eldar's top 3 tournament status just because of Roboute.

400 points is pretty solid, it's pretty much what I predicted he'd be

Glad I helped someone! I posted that in the wrong thread.

I don't know why, but I've taken to calling him Big G.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Girlyman
Girlyman
Girlyman
Girlyman

Ah... never gets old.

Oh wait, yes it does.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't know why, but I've taken to calling him Big G.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Girlyman
Girlyman
Girlyman
Girlyman

Ah... never gets old.

Oh wait, yes it does.

I call him Big Blue. Agreed on Girlyman being annoying AF.

I am happy Roboute is an MC. Hopefully he comes with EW. I can't see him not having it. He will be a beast to deal with. But how many points will he be? Anything less than 500 would be nuts. But Wraithknights exist so all bets are off.

is Roboute top tier among Monsterous Creatures on the tabletop?

don't really care about tabletop, more focused on lore, but am interesting in where he ranks

Audustum wrote:
He's 400 points. Comparatively, a Wraithguard bomb is 255. 355 if you want a Farseer to twin-link it. The bomb would likely kill him too I think.

I'd say the Aeldari are a lot stronger thanks to SfD. We'll have to see what/any detachments the Imperium gets but I'm pretty sure Ultramarines won't be unseating Eldar's top 3 tournament status just because of Roboute.

What's your source for the point cost? I haven't seen that tidbit in any of the leaked images/rumors so far...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't know why, but I've taken to calling him Big G.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Girlyman
Girlyman
Girlyman
Girlyman

Ah... never gets old.

Oh wait, yes it does.

I call him Big Blue. Agreed on Girlyman being annoying AF.

I am happy Roboute is an MC. Hopefully he comes with EW. I can't see him not having it. He will be a beast to deal with. But how many points will he be? Anything less than 500 would be nuts. But Wraithknights exist so all bets are off.

yeah I agree calling him girlyman is old, it comes off pertulant.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't know why, but I've taken to calling him Big G.
.

well he's the biggest baddest beat stick in the IoM until we start seeing other primarchs

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't know why, but I've taken to calling him Big G.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Girlyman
Girlyman
Girlyman
Girlyman

Ah... never gets old.

Oh wait, yes it does.

Oh get over yourself. It was deliberately over the top, hence the Indiana Jones references.

I was also too lazy to spell his name correctly.

Guilliman is 350

Cheaper than I expected, honestly.

Couldn't help but find this come to mind when I see 350 (3 Fiddy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xCAs08QPNw

i never got the hate for Roboute in general from some 40k fans

he is the only primarch that realized that he had other skills than fighting

all the other primarchs are essentially overgrown man children..Roboute is the only one that had any level sense, besides maybe Khan

but Khan didn't have the administrative intelligence that Roboute had

the reason we have the Imperium still functioning after the Heresy was because of the Avenging Son....thats it

LightKing wrote:
i never got the hate for Roboute in general from some 40k fans

he is the only primarch that realized that he had other skills than fighting

all the other primarchs are essentially overgrown man children..Roboute is the only one that had any level sense, besides maybe Khan

but Khan didn't have the administrative intelligence that Roboute had

the reason we have the Imperium still functioning after the Heresy was because of the Avenging Son....thats it

While I agree with you generally that the hate for Ultramarines and their Primarch seems... petty... I must disagree on the bolded statement.

Frankly, its exactly that recognition that led to several of the traitor primarchs rebelling in the first place.

Lorgar, Perturabo, and Magnus all exhibited non-war preferences that they were punished (to varying degrees) for pursuing.

I just hope I can untwist his torso a bit without having to do major surgery to the model.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

LightKing wrote:
i never got the hate for Roboute in general from some 40k fans

he is the only primarch that realized that he had other skills than fighting

all the other primarchs are essentially overgrown man children..Roboute is the only one that had any level sense, besides maybe Khan

but Khan didn't have the administrative intelligence that Roboute had

the reason we have the Imperium still functioning after the Heresy was because of the Avenging Son....thats it

While I agree with you generally that the hate for Ultramarines and their Primarch seems... petty... I must disagree on the bolded statement.

Frankly, its exactly that recognition that led to several of the traitor primarchs rebelling in the first place.

Lorgar, Perturabo, and Magnus all exhibited non-war preferences that they were punished (to varying degrees) for pursuing.

you're right , my statement wasn't totally fair on that point

however, among the loyalists, Roboute was probably the only one that can have a major effect on the Imperium so it made the most sense to bring him back, lore wise

but GW probably brought him back because Ultramarines sells....but still

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

LightKing wrote:
i never got the hate for Roboute in general from some 40k fans

he is the only primarch that realized that he had other skills than fighting

all the other primarchs are essentially overgrown man children..Roboute is the only one that had any level sense, besides maybe Khan

but Khan didn't have the administrative intelligence that Roboute had

the reason we have the Imperium still functioning after the Heresy was because of the Avenging Son....thats it

While I agree with you generally that the hate for Ultramarines and their Primarch seems... petty... I must disagree on the bolded statement.

Frankly, its exactly that recognition that led to several of the traitor primarchs rebelling in the first place.

Lorgar, Perturabo, and Magnus all exhibited non-war preferences that they were punished (to varying degrees) for pursuing.

Perturabo wasn't punished so much as he felt his talents where unappreciated, Magnus was toying with something he shouldn't have and was by all accounts given suprising leeway considering what he was dicking with, his end came about only after he literally destroyed the future of humanity. And Lorgar 's problem was inefficancy combined with eistablishing post compliance socieites that spat in the face of what the emperor WANTED. I suspect thats why the Ultramarines where his chosen tool to humble Lorgar, because the message was not "no building civilazations" but "don't build em so slow it impedes your progress and eistablish the right kind of socities damnit!"

Sigh.

As someone who has been playing 40k since 1988, not at all happy to see the setting be ruined in such a way.

What always made it cool was the age of heroes is over.

we had our one chance to create the perfect galaxy for humanity, but our own pride and ambition cause us to cut ourselves at the knees, and we've just been flailing at the every encroaching dark ever since.

Just trying to stave of the inevitable extinction for as long as possible, and getting more brutal and horrible to each other to achieve that.

The age of gods and heroes are just songs on the wind, the current world is harsh, bitter and cruel. There is no herculus to save us. We will all die in cold, dark and alone.

And no one will care.

This whole, bring back the age of heroes thing is totally destroying all the flavour from second edition that this game's great lore was built upon.

less is always more, and the fireside chats about 'what if the missing primarchs ever came back' was always better than anything GW could actually write up.

Very sad to see this happening, oh well. :(

Guess I'll just clutch my second edition codicies close and ignore everything GW Prime does from now on.

This must be what it's like to be old, and have young people ruin everything.

 Roleplayer wrote:
Sigh.

As someone who has been playing 40k since 1988, not at all happy to see the setting be ruined in such a way.

What always made it cool was the age of heroes is over.

we had our one chance to create the perfect galaxy for humanity, but our own pride and ambition cause us to cut ourselves at the knees, and we've just been flailing at the every encroaching dark ever since.

Just trying to stave of the inevitable extinction for as long as possible, and getting more brutal and horrible to each other to achieve that.

The age of gods and heroes are just songs on the wind, the current world is harsh, bitter and cruel. There is no herculus to save us. We will all die in cold, dark and alone.

And no one will care.

This whole, bring back the age of heroes thing is totally destroying all the flavour from second edition that this game's great lore was built upon.

less is always more, and the fireside chats about 'what if the missing primarchs ever came back' was always better than anything GW could actually write up.

Very sad to see this happening, oh well. :(

Guess I'll just clutch my second edition codicies close and ignore everything GW Prime does from now on.

This must be what it's like to be old, and have young people ruin everything.

Hah! I feel you.

Well said; you managed to articulate this way better than I did.

Not just ruin everything, ignore, or even mock, you when you try and explain how they're going to ruin everything, then come running to you when everything has gone to gak.

 Breotan wrote:
I just hope I can untwist his torso a bit without having to do major surgery to the model.

Guilliman has a torso wrapped in armor then legs join pelvis so I think you'll be fine. I was gonna use him for something else but...with that helmet on, in person, next to other normal size astartes...

I have about 40,000 pts of Blood Angels, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Blood Ravens and Ultra Marines all painted to the standard of these few minis listed below. Accumulated over 25 years of painting and assembling.

Sadly, these current changes are making me consider just throwing the whole lot in the trash and give up miniature painting and go find other hobbies.

I don't think I can reconcile these changes to myself in something I have loved for so long. Very hard.

Let me know which trash can.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

LightKing wrote:
i never got the hate for Roboute in general from some 40k fans

he is the only primarch that realized that he had other skills than fighting

all the other primarchs are essentially overgrown man children..Roboute is the only one that had any level sense, besides maybe Khan

but Khan didn't have the administrative intelligence that Roboute had

the reason we have the Imperium still functioning after the Heresy was because of the Avenging Son....thats it

While I agree with you generally that the hate for Ultramarines and their Primarch seems... petty... I must disagree on the bolded statement.

Frankly, its exactly that recognition that led to several of the traitor primarchs rebelling in the first place.

Lorgar, Perturabo, and Magnus all exhibited non-war preferences that they were punished (to varying degrees) for pursuing.

Lorgar founded a religion.
Magnus was actually dedicated to learning and scholarly attributes.
Perturabo built toys.
Fulgrim actively appreciated art and poetry.
Curze's initial focus wasn't just war and conquest - it was extreme law enforcement.

Horus was sort of forced into the Warmaster role - even then it wasn't primarily fighting, it was logistics at a larger scale (similar to Roboute).
Angron and Mortarion are both....special cases. Both were effectively denied their 'life goals' mere moments before they could be accomplished due to forced intervention by the Emperor. Both had been raised in environments where combat and survival were their only option.
Alpharius and Omegon had the misfortune of being he youngest and as such were trying to catch up to their brothers.

So that's 5 of the 9 traitor primarchs with other skills and pasttimes beyond fighting.

Now let's look at the loyallists.

The Lion was dedicated to war and conflict- to the point that his chapter were based around knightly orders.
Dorn was dedicated to building defenses - not structures that were aesthetically pleasing, not toys in his past time, but instead nothing but defenses.
The Khan was addicted to speed and specialised in hit and run warfare.
The Raven was practically dedicated to infiltration and assassination.
Russ lived for fighting and his Legion were affectionately known as The Rout.

Vulkan and Ferrus were smiths and artificers. They built things other than weapons.
Roboute was logistics based.
Sanguinius was very much a speaker.

So that's 5 loyallists who did nothing but fight.

Sorry, this approach is flawed.

Roboute's 'hate' has much to do with the general hate of the Ultras and even that didn't really originate until 5th edition when Ward came in and wanked out new lore and accomplishments, turning them from the embodiment of the Codex Astartes to special Super Mary Sues who can do no wrong ever and fart out unicorns.

Personally, I love the fact that he's disgusted by the current Imperium. Because it is an abomination. It's the one place that the Traitor Primarchs and Loyallists would agree - the current Imperium is NOTHING like what they had set out to build. Religion is embedded within its core despite their efforts to purge it from the galaxy, the Emperor is revered as a god and corruption is rife as a result of this. The power sits in the hands of old men sitting at a council rather than those who built and maintain the Imperium. Even with Roboute's post-Heresy efforts to ensure no one could ever wield as much power as Horus ever again you still get cases of rogue Priests turning half the church and AM commanders swinging just as must power for themselves.

Remember, a lot of the 'heresy' that stemmed forth from the Traitor Legions came from a perceived abuse of power. Mortarion and Angron felt they were denied the one thing they ever wanted, Magnus felt he was being victimised because of the one thing he excelled at. Curze's visions led him to believe that he was right all along. Perturabo felt slighted because of the favour given to Dorn.

The Astral Claws rebelled because they felt that there was no respect for their efforts to protect the Imperium and little to no support being given to them when they needed it.

Roleplayer wrote:I have about 40,000 pts of Blood Angels, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Blood Ravens and Ultra Marines all painted to the standard of these few minis listed below. Accumulated over 25 years of painting and assembling.

Sadly, these current changes are making me consider just throwing the whole lot in the trash and give up miniature painting and go find other hobbies.

I don't think I can reconcile these changes to myself in something I have loved for so long. Very hard.

pretre wrote:Let me know which trash can.

What pretre said.

Don't worry.

I'd be sure to burn them in purging fire first.

get some sweet youtube views.


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But in all seriousness, its a sad day when you can see that your 25 years of miniature paining/hobbying may come to an end cause of some fanfic writers in nottingham

Goobi2 wrote:
By the tracker Atia is 100% But moving into a new crusade (a rally for the wavering Imperium) was gonna be the most likely next step anyway. The whole faction got Avatar of Khaine'd so much they were becoming as much of a joke as Abaddon. (In a fashion) With this regroup and push, they can seem like a legitimate space power, even though the odds are stacked against them.

Really wanna see those new Cypher rules, since Robby is D-Bait

The Crusade Rumor has been around more than a few weeks and reads something like this.

Guilliman goes to Terra and is upset with the Custodes and blames them for everything that has happened to keep the Emperor oblivious to how different the Galaxy is 10,000 later by himself. Guilliman confronts the Emperor and is given to him the Flaming Sword. Guilliman becomes de-facto Emperor and sends the Custodes away to start to start a new Crusade and Age of the Emperor.

He is not first to the party on this rumor.

 Roleplayer wrote:
Don't worry.

I'd be sure to burn them in purging fire first.

get some sweet youtube views.


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But in all seriousness, its a sad day when you can see that your 25 years of miniature paining/hobbying may come to an end cause of some fanfic writers in nottingham

Yeah, no I get why you'd be bothered by it. Major change isn't always accepted.

 Roleplayer wrote:
I have about 40,000 pts of Blood Angels, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Blood Ravens and Ultra Marines all painted to the standard of these few minis listed below. Accumulated over 25 years of painting and assembling.

Sadly, these current changes are making me consider just throwing the whole lot in the trash and give up miniature painting and go find other hobbies.

I don't think I can reconcile these changes to myself in something I have loved for so long. Very hard.

This strikes as rather petty and shallow. Changes to the game and fluff don't invalidate your army. Older editions still exist and can be purchased second hand. Theres nothing stopping you from playing older editions with like minded players (and it seems theres quite a lot of them). In fact, this Gathering Storm arc isn't even a "change" to the fluff, its simply NEW fluff. The timeline is being advanced, not retconned. Changes to the fluff are things like retcons, like the Necrons being remade into Space Tomb Kings, or the Squats being deleted from Canon.

I stopped playing Warhammer 40K after 5th ed as I didn't like the scale creep and bloat (Fortifications, Titans, Super Heavies, Flyers etc in standard games), but I didn't throw out my Raven Guard army, I still have it in boxes and one day I might bring it out again to play with other like minded players in my club who also have old currently inactive armies that they may bring out again one day. We've collectively decided that 6th Ed is our final edition.

I didn't throw a tantrum and decide to throw my models away and quit wargaming altogether, I simply moved onto other games that interest me (Zombicide, SAGA, Lord of the Rings SBG and This is Not a Test currently). The only thing I've bought since quitting is the 6th Ed. rulebook (2nd hand), the 6th Ed. SM Codex and the 7th ed. Kauyon supplement (for the Raven Guard traits and gear, and the Tau units because my friend has an old Tau army).



Your miniatures are amazing though, great work.

If you really can't stand the new developments in the game and fluff, don't destroy your miniatures and all the hard work and sentimentality you invested in them. Sell them off so someone else can continue to enjoy the game, make a big profit that you can reinvest into another wargame that interests you or hell even a new hobby altogether. A 40,000 40K army would be enough to let you take up golfing or something.

 Roleplayer wrote:
Don't worry.

I'd be sure to burn them in purging fire first.

get some sweet youtube views.


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But in all seriousness, its a sad day when you can see that your 25 years of miniature paining/hobbying may come to an end cause of some fanfic writers in nottingham

honestly before crying the end is neigh I'd wait and see what happens. the setting chanegs and evolves over time, we can't be sure what the long term game plan here is eaither, Gulliman could be the guy who shows us just how broken the IoM is, by having him attempt to do things, and do as great job of it,m but it not being eneugh, and having him reflect that the IoM just CAN'T do better, that the IoM isn't what it was, isn't what it could be, isn't what it should be.

one of the biggest bits of confusion people have is "Where did all this X from the heresy go" etc.
Gulliman gives GW a chance to really show how the IoM has fallen apart, why it has etc. and to reinforce how depressing it all is. (don't get me wrong I doubt GW is moving that direction. most likely we're going to see Primarchs clashing amid amies of loyalist and chaos marines. but it's waaaaay too early to draw conclusions)