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2017/03/07 21:33:14
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I SWEAR there is a thing called "Teeth and Claws" in the 7th ed rulebook which counts as a CCW
Not in this edition. From this POST it looks like it was a 6th edition rule.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/03/07 21:33:20
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
I listened to the BoLS (are they still the official podcast?) FTN podcast last night and they talked about Cypher's story and said something along the lines of: something big happens with him and they won't spoil it.
So, does anybody have any intel on what the spoiler with Cypher is?
2017/03/07 21:42:00
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Am I the only one who thinks that Rowboat Girlyman is helplessly undercosted for what he brings to the table?
yes hes slow. but he is an unstoppable powerhouse that only dies to massive fire. and by that I mean stronger than your regular boltgun. (at least S5 or better S6).
350 Points?
c'mon gw...
2017/03/07 21:45:16
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
evancich wrote: I listened to the BoLS (are they still the official podcast?) FTN podcast last night and they talked about Cypher's story and said something along the lines of: something big happens with him and they won't spoil it.
So, does anybody have any intel on what the spoiler with Cypher is?
He finds out what was in Vince Macmahon's lockbox.
2017/03/07 21:51:32
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
commander dante wrote: Just read the Rulebook on CCWs Quote:
"If a model is not Specifically stated as having a weapon with the Melee Type, it is treated as being armed with a single Close Combat Weapon"
As Gulliman has a Melee weapon, he does not get the free CCW So if he is A. Disarmed or B. Unable to attack with his Sword (due to AoK) He would, from a RAW perspective, be unable to attack as he has no Melee weapon to attack with
HOWEVER
I SWEAR there is a thing called "Teeth and Claws" in the 7th ed rulebook which counts as a CCW
And now I have the image in my head of Guilliman taking off his power fists to scratch at the Avatar with his nails.
2017/03/07 21:53:56
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
evancich wrote: I listened to the BoLS (are they still the official podcast?) FTN podcast last night and they talked about Cypher's story and said something along the lines of: something big happens with him and they won't spoil it.
So, does anybody have any intel on what the spoiler with Cypher is?
He finds out what was in Vince Macmahon's lockbox.
I think you meant...
Cypher threw Abaddon off a pylon on Cadia, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.
2017/03/07 22:03:55
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
angelofvengeance wrote: How does 40K Guilliman compare to the Primarchs (currently available, that is) in 30K just out of interest?
he's actually proably better then his 30k equivilant, however both have some "buffs to their guys" that are hard to compare 1 for 1
It would be close, a lucky str D roll could quickly swing the combat And the whole getting back up on a 4+ thing. 3+ vs 4+ with reroll first fail per round.
If I had to choose I would go with 30k for the army buffs.
2017/03/07 23:58:33
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
commander dante wrote: Just read the Rulebook on CCWs Quote:
"If a model is not Specifically stated as having a weapon with the Melee Type, it is treated as being armed with a single Close Combat Weapon"
As Gulliman has a Melee weapon, he does not get the free CCW So if he is A. Disarmed or B. Unable to attack with his Sword (due to AoK) He would, from a RAW perspective, be unable to attack as he has no Melee weapon to attack with
HOWEVER
I SWEAR there is a thing called "Teeth and Claws" in the 7th ed rulebook which counts as a CCW
I think this might be one of the ONLY instances where RG could benefit from the "Our Weapons are Useless" rule and voluntarily fall back out of close combat. LOL at the thought of RG running away from an Avatar.
angelofvengeance wrote: How does 40K Guilliman compare to the Primarchs (currently available, that is) in 30K just out of interest?
he's actually proably better then his 30k equivilant, however both have some "buffs to their guys" that are hard to compare 1 for 1
It would be close, a lucky str D roll could quickly swing the combat And the whole getting back up on a 4+ thing. 3+ vs 4+ with reroll first fail per round.
If I had to choose I would go with 30k for the army buffs.
30k and 40kRG are very different animals. On one hand 40kRG is 50 points cheaper, and you could reasonably fit him into a 2000 point game. On the other hand, you could actually fit the 30k RG into a transport. 30k has It Will Not Die, but 40k has Feel no Pain and a Necron-like reanimation.
If you are transport heavy and like playing "what's in the tank" I'd say 30k has the edge. $0k is likely better if you like massed infantry and footslogging.
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2017/03/08 00:03:47
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
commander dante wrote: Just read the Rulebook on CCWs Quote:
"If a model is not Specifically stated as having a weapon with the Melee Type, it is treated as being armed with a single Close Combat Weapon"
As Gulliman has a Melee weapon, he does not get the free CCW So if he is A. Disarmed or B. Unable to attack with his Sword (due to AoK) He would, from a RAW perspective, be unable to attack as he has no Melee weapon to attack with
HOWEVER
I SWEAR there is a thing called "Teeth and Claws" in the 7th ed rulebook which counts as a CCW
.
Doesn't the fact that he is a monstrous creature kick in in this case? I don't have my BRB in front of me as I'm at work, but there's a bunch of MC that have no weapons, other than hands.
Please don't flame me dude.
-Even the Sun goes down.
2017/03/08 00:20:12
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
commander dante wrote: Just read the Rulebook on CCWs Quote:
"If a model is not Specifically stated as having a weapon with the Melee Type, it is treated as being armed with a single Close Combat Weapon"
As Gulliman has a Melee weapon, he does not get the free CCW So if he is A. Disarmed or B. Unable to attack with his Sword (due to AoK) He would, from a RAW perspective, be unable to attack as he has no Melee weapon to attack with
HOWEVER
I SWEAR there is a thing called "Teeth and Claws" in the 7th ed rulebook which counts as a CCW
.
Doesn't the fact that he is a monstrous creature kick in in this case? I don't have my BRB in front of me as I'm at work, but there's a bunch of MC that have no weapons, other than hands.
Please don't flame me dude.
Those MCs will automatically be Given a CCW as they have no Starting Melee weapons
2017/03/08 00:20:35
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
commander dante wrote: Just read the Rulebook on CCWs Quote:
"If a model is not Specifically stated as having a weapon with the Melee Type, it is treated as being armed with a single Close Combat Weapon"
As Gulliman has a Melee weapon, he does not get the free CCW So if he is A. Disarmed or B. Unable to attack with his Sword (due to AoK) He would, from a RAW perspective, be unable to attack as he has no Melee weapon to attack with
..so.. Exactly the same thing I wrote above you?
2017/03/08 00:29:44
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
LightKing wrote: so pretty much no one can really fu*k with Roboute in close combat?
Aside from the Avatar of Khaine (who is immune to RG's CQC attacks due to the Sword's Soulblaze special rule) and maaaaaybe D-strength swinging meleers (and most, if not all,of those will swing after RG) getting in lucky 6s on their D rolls... nothing much comes to mind in WH40k.
Jain Zhar might manage as well, due to the quirk of a Swordless RG technically having no CQC weapon to attack with, though she's more tarpit than killer.
Wulfen could also conceivably have a chance, I suppose, but you'd need a lot of them (and they'd almost certainly get heavily damaged in the process).
2017/03/08 00:49:37
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
keep in mind that we're also talking statisticly, there's a CHANCE a IG sergent with a power fist COULD kill Gulliman...but thats like "winning the lottery while being struck by lighting, just as a shark is attacking you" level odds
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2017/03/08 00:52:51
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/03/08 15:54:58
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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2017/03/08 16:03:20
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
2017/03/08 16:05:48
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
buddha wrote: Looking for those sweet sweet fluff spoilers from those lucky few who have the book.
Yeah screw the rules - what's going on
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Woo hoo! Voldus and Guilliman can be used in any IoM army! I have a place for Roboute in my Crimson Fists (or 30K Imperial Fists), Deathwatch, or Skitarii!
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