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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Anyone around that can translate from german?

My german is a little rusty but I'm pretty sure Grand Master Voldus' special rule "Master of the Libarius/Library" above the description for his relic weapon is that in addition to his 3 powers from being psychic mastery level 3, he also always gets a power from Daemonology Santic

Cypher seems to be 100% identical to his Codex version, so he's still a bit meh

As for the rules on the Ultramarine formations I wouldn't be able to try

Voldus:
Gear:
- Terminator Armour
- Storm Bolter
- Frag grenades
- Krak grenades
- psyk-out-grenades
- Iron Halo

Special rules:
- Aegis
- TSKNF
- Preferred enemy (demons)
- purity of spirit
- Psyker ML3
- Independent character

BEGABUNG DES KRIEGSHERRN = Talent of the warlord
Voldus gets an additional psy-power from the discipline daemonology (sanctic).

Psyker:
Dämonologie (Erhaben) = daemonology (sanctic); Prophetie = Divination; the others should be clear

Weapon: Melee, daemonbane, concussive, force, special weapon

Victrix Guard
Auserwählte des Primarchs = Chosen of the Primarch: Roboute can take look out sir if a unit of that formation is within 3" of him.
Kämpfende Halbgötter = Fighting demi-gods: Add 1 to WS and BS to all models of this formation.
Can´t take dedicated transports.

Detachment
- Obj. sec. for all non-vehicles
- can use each of the doctrines (tac, assault, dev); and those can be taken in any combination within one turn.
- reroll warlord traits

Cypher
Gear:
- Frag grenades
- Krak grenades

Special rules:
- TSKNF
- Eternal Warrior
- Infiltrate
- Shroud
- Fleet
- Independent character
- Hit & run

as for his very special rules: http://natfka.blogspot.de/2017/03/games-workshop-reveals-cypher-video-and.html

LightKing wrote:


Wow,


it's amazing how much detail GW puts in their releases, you can tell they really care much about the Lore of 40k....

LightKing wrote:
I honestly don't think of a company out there that cares more about its IP (intellectual product) than the way GW cares about 40k

Not sure if serious...

Divine protection should we read into that?

 pretre wrote:
From Atia:

Automatically Appended Next Post:
And more:

Spoiler:

Damn it, lol.

All that work for nothing.

Well I'm sad that new victrix guard has to include sic. Would be nice for those to pair with chapter masters

Rules and stats are the same as those in his Dataslate.

Ok, going back to Roboute and the Avatar of Khaine. Roboute can hurt the AoK in two ways. One, Hammer of Wrath. He hill be hitting him at Str 6, AP-, so he likely won't put a wound on him, but it can still happen. Two, using the Smash attack. It would be a single Str 10, AP 2. The AOK will only get his 5++ for being a daemon, so it will likely put a wound on him once per turn. It will bog Roboute down, but he CAN kill the AoK, but it will probably take most, if not all, of the game.

intreastingly the penalty to LDR for a warlord synergizes with gulliman's "never taking a penalty to LDR ever"

BrianDavion wrote:
intreastingly the penalty to LDR for a warlord synergizes with gulliman's "never taking a penalty to LDR ever"

Heh, that's some Tzeentch-level Just As Planned right there.

Wait a minute, Voldus is packing Grenades as a Terminator. Do Grey Knights Terminators regularly pack grenades?

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
Well I'm sad that new victrix guard has to include sic. Would be nice for those to pair with chapter masters

Would have been nice to have the character slot be a generic captain. Oh well. Good excuse to actually field my counts-as (who mostly warms the shelf.)

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
intreastingly the penalty to LDR for a warlord synergizes with gulliman's "never taking a penalty to LDR ever"

Heh, that's some Tzeentch-level Just As Planned right there.

Wait a minute, Voldus is packing Grenades as a Terminator. Do Grey Knights Terminators regularly pack grenades?

yeah GKTs normally pack grenades, it's one of the little things GKTs have that's not useally that important but it great when it comes up because people tend to forget about it

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
intreastingly the penalty to LDR for a warlord synergizes with gulliman's "never taking a penalty to LDR ever"

Heh, that's some Tzeentch-level Just As Planned right there.

Wait a minute, Voldus is packing Grenades as a Terminator. Do Grey Knights Terminators regularly pack grenades?

yeah GKTs normally pack grenades, it's one of the little things GKTs have that's not useally that important but it great when it comes up because people tend to forget about it

Interesting. Learned something new. I am looking at probably just using Voldus alongside the units from Codex: Imperial Agents to make a small GK army. I guess I should have looked at that book before I asked on the Grenades.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
intreastingly the penalty to LDR for a warlord synergizes with gulliman's "never taking a penalty to LDR ever"

Heh, that's some Tzeentch-level Just As Planned right there.

Wait a minute, Voldus is packing Grenades as a Terminator. Do Grey Knights Terminators regularly pack grenades?

yeah GKTs normally pack grenades, it's one of the little things GKTs have that's not useally that important but it great when it comes up because people tend to forget about it

Interesting. Learned something new. I am looking at probably just using Voldus alongside the units from Codex: Imperial Agents to make a small GK army. I guess I should have looked at that book before I asked on the Grenades.

I dunno how Imperial agents is in terms of needed units, but the GK nemisis strike force would allow you to plop down voldus, 1 squad of GK terminators, and call it a day

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
intreastingly the penalty to LDR for a warlord synergizes with gulliman's "never taking a penalty to LDR ever"

Heh, that's some Tzeentch-level Just As Planned right there.

Wait a minute, Voldus is packing Grenades as a Terminator. Do Grey Knights Terminators regularly pack grenades?

yeah GKTs normally pack grenades, it's one of the little things GKTs have that's not useally that important but it great when it comes up because people tend to forget about it

Interesting. Learned something new. I am looking at probably just using Voldus alongside the units from Codex: Imperial Agents to make a small GK army. I guess I should have looked at that book before I asked on the Grenades.

I dunno how Imperial agents is in terms of needed units, but the GK nemisis strike force would allow you to plop down voldus, 1 squad of GK terminators, and call it a day

I am a strong adherent to the idea of only using material from books I own, so no NSF for me. I was taking just using a CAD or Allied detachment with Voldus, some Terminators (which are in IA), and a Dreadknight (also in IA).

I am not looking to get a bunch of GK stuff, since I really don't need a new army. I just want to add some stuff to go with Voldus.

Though maybe I will get the softcover GK codex, if it exists. But probably not as 8th is on the horizon.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
intreastingly the penalty to LDR for a warlord synergizes with gulliman's "never taking a penalty to LDR ever"

Heh, that's some Tzeentch-level Just As Planned right there.

Wait a minute, Voldus is packing Grenades as a Terminator. Do Grey Knights Terminators regularly pack grenades?

yeah GKTs normally pack grenades, it's one of the little things GKTs have that's not useally that important but it great when it comes up because people tend to forget about it

Interesting. Learned something new. I am looking at probably just using Voldus alongside the units from Codex: Imperial Agents to make a small GK army. I guess I should have looked at that book before I asked on the Grenades.

I dunno how Imperial agents is in terms of needed units, but the GK nemisis strike force would allow you to plop down voldus, 1 squad of GK terminators, and call it a day

I am a strong adherent to the idea of only using material from books I own, so no NSF for me. I was taking just using a CAD or Allied detachment with Voldus, some Terminators (which are in IA), and a Dreadknight (also in IA).

I am not looking to get a bunch of GK stuff, since I really don't need a new army. I just want to add some stuff to go with Voldus.

Though maybe I will get the softcover GK codex, if it exists. But probably not as 8th is on the horizon.

yeah fair eneugh. just I dunno what options IA has, so thought I'd letcha know that unless IA offered better a NSF is proably the best way to deploy a small allied GK force

The IA formation is basically just one squad of Troops or Fast Attack with the option for a HS (read Dreadknight). No HQ, but Voldus could just be attached to the other army since the GK I would run would just be Allies anyway.

Will Roboute respect Calgar? I am really interested in hoping to find out

Well, based on the pages we've seen:

LightKing wrote:
Will Roboute respect Calgar? I am really interested in hoping to find out

Only for tonight, no promises about the morning.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well, based on the pages we've seen:

Spoiler:

Calgar immediately gives up the title of Chapter Master and grants the role to Guilliman in perpetuity.

Calgar is also apparently super-wounded at this stage and is struggling to stand.

LightKing wrote:
Will Roboute respect Calgar? I am really interested in hoping to find out

I can't imagine why he wouldn't respect him, Gulliman always seemed respectful to his sons. and Calgar has done a pretty good job with the Ultramarines

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

That makes me happy.

I guess the DA did a pretty bad job of rounding them all up.

So, the Victrix Guard pretty much needs a CAD to be run with it so you can transport them up, eh?

I mean, 3 FA slots for pods for the Sternguard, take a VV squad and put Celestine with it, take Roboute in the CAD, and have the Honour Guard escort him up the board?

Eh. It can be used in fluffy games, I guess.

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, the Victrix Guard pretty much needs a CAD to be run with it so you can transport them up, eh?

I mean, 3 FA slots for pods for the Sternguard, take a VV squad and put Celestine with it, take Roboute in the CAD, and have the Honour Guard escort him up the board?

Eh. It can be used in fluffy games, I guess.

Except that units in this formation may not begin the game in transports either so no being dropped in pods for them.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Woo hoo! Voldus and Guilliman can be used in any IoM army! I have a place for Roboute in my Crimson Fists (or 30K Imperial Fists), Deathwatch, or Skitarii!

This is the best news I've heard about this release. I'm really glad I can use those models without having to start a new army to run them with. Pity about Cypher, but oh well, I'll find a way to get him in somehow.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Woo hoo! Voldus and Guilliman can be used in any IoM army! I have a place for Roboute in my Crimson Fists (or 30K Imperial Fists), Deathwatch, or Skitarii!

This is the best news I've heard about this release. I'm really glad I can use those models without having to start a new army to run them with. Pity about Cypher, but oh well, I'll find a way to get him in somehow.

It does irritate me that something similar was not done for Khârn, Ahriman, and Magnus the Red. Yes, you can use them in a basic Chaos Space Marines army, but you miss out on the Legion bonuses, unlike Space Marines (they still get tout keep their Chapter Tactics and Roboute does not affect them since he doesn't have the Chapter Tactics rule).

 Iphie wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, the Victrix Guard pretty much needs a CAD to be run with it so you can transport them up, eh?

I mean, 3 FA slots for pods for the Sternguard, take a VV squad and put Celestine with it, take Roboute in the CAD, and have the Honour Guard escort him up the board?

Eh. It can be used in fluffy games, I guess.

Except that units in this formation may not begin the game in transports either so no being dropped in pods for them.

So the Ultramarine formations are hot garbage!

Oh well, at least the relics and warlord traits arent bad.