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 Crazyterran wrote:

 Iphie wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, the Victrix Guard pretty much needs a CAD to be run with it so you can transport them up, eh?

I mean, 3 FA slots for pods for the Sternguard, take a VV squad and put Celestine with it, take Roboute in the CAD, and have the Honour Guard escort him up the board?

Eh. It can be used in fluffy games, I guess.

Except that units in this formation may not begin the game in transports either so no being dropped in pods for them.

So the Ultramarine formations are hot garbage!

Oh well, at least the relics and warlord traits arent bad.

It is possible to be play without formations.

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Iphie wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, the Victrix Guard pretty much needs a CAD to be run with it so you can transport them up, eh?

I mean, 3 FA slots for pods for the Sternguard, take a VV squad and put Celestine with it, take Roboute in the CAD, and have the Honour Guard escort him up the board?

Eh. It can be used in fluffy games, I guess.

Except that units in this formation may not begin the game in transports either so no being dropped in pods for them.

So the Ultramarine formations are hot garbage!

Oh well, at least the relics and warlord traits arent bad.

It is possible to be play without formations.

Well, no Gak?

It just would be nice for something other than the Gladius to be worth taking.

The only way for to happen is to have a more powerful formation come along....

Let's not do that.

Id like it to be a viable alternative. Not necessarily better, but something that isnt hot garbage.

I mean, strike force ultra as a Core? Great, the formation is like 1500 points before upgrades.

No AoD formations, no single choices, pretty much the only differences between a Victrix and a Gladius is that you can take Guilliman and mix Doctrines, at the exchange of losing half your doctrines youd have from a Gladius.

Ill probably try it once or twice, but its quite underwhelming - its no Medusa strike force or Gladius.

Like i said, though, at least we got WLT and Relics. The EW/IWND relic has promise. It + a Storm shield costs the same as a shield eternal. The Warlord traits arent bad.

Im happy with the release overall, just bemoaning something that could have been at least decent.

Edit: though im seeing possibilities with the obsec across the board...

Wait, how are you losing half your Doctrines? I'm pretty sure the Victrix also gives you a one of each Doctrine.

All you're really missing missing out on is free Transports, though getting Ob Sec on the other Formations is probably a decent enough trade for that.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Iphie wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, the Victrix Guard pretty much needs a CAD to be run with it so you can transport them up, eh?

I mean, 3 FA slots for pods for the Sternguard, take a VV squad and put Celestine with it, take Roboute in the CAD, and have the Honour Guard escort him up the board?

Eh. It can be used in fluffy games, I guess.

Except that units in this formation may not begin the game in transports either so no being dropped in pods for them.

So the Ultramarine formations are hot garbage!

Oh well, at least the relics and warlord traits arent bad.

ok honest question.... why would you ever WANT to give that formation transports? the virtix guard is clearly intended to be paired with gulliman to provide him an escort (to address the obvious "slowish MC who can be focus fired" problem many have pointed out) so since gulliman can't use a transport, not much point in giving these guys a transport.

The Honor Guard would be enough to go with him, especially if you got Cato there to catch bullets too.

The other four units though? Should be able to advsnce quickly and coear the way for the Primarch.

 Crazyterran wrote:
The Honor Guard would be enough to go with him, especially if you got Cato there to catch bullets too.

The other four units though? Should be able to advsnce quickly and coear the way for the Primarch.

true but it can be worked around, you can take vanguard or stern guard vets vanguard vets can be deep striked. which might be a pretty effective way to use em.

If they put the armour of fates overtop the armour of reason, would that make Guilliman a Centurion? :p

I just figured something out.



I dragged the regimental standard "guiliman propaganda pic" to my desktop, and the files name is emperor1.jpg



Proof that Robert Girlyman is going to replace the Emperor? I hope not.


edit: This one

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
I just figured something out.

I dragged the regimental standard "guiliman propaganda pic" to my desktop, and the files name is emperor1.jpg

Proof that Robert Girlyman is going to replace the Emperor? I hope not.

edit: This one

Spoiler:

Agreed. I really hope not.

Although, if it leads to him blowing up some important gak and causing an AOS-style hard-universe-reset, that would be rather amusing. But that's a bit too self-aware for GW and would require them to admit that a lot of people do not like Rowboat or his Smurfs.

The story spoilers are up in the background area as usual. I can say that it was... anti-climactic. Seriously. There is NO fear of the end times. More like the... mildly interesting times. Weakest of the GS series from a plot perspective. I found the GS 2 and 1 stories far more interesting and with larger ramifications to the lore.

GS1 8/10
GS2 9/10
GS3 6/10

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

I dragged the regimental standard "guiliman propaganda pic" to my desktop, and the files name is emperor1.jpg



Proof that Robert Girlyman is going to replace the Emperor? I hope not.

...

feth.

This is literally my worst fear regarding this plot advancement.

From Atia

2 more days till its out

how HYPE ARE YOU

 Gamgee wrote:
The story spoilers are up in the background area as usual. I can say that it was... anti-climactic. Seriously. There is NO fear of the end times. More like the... mildly interesting times. Weakest of the GS series from a plot perspective. I found the GS 2 and 1 stories far more interesting and with larger ramifications to the lore.

So story ends once they reach Throne-room? Cypher's identity is not revealed in the book? Emperor is still alive?

Well I did not expect GW to spoil all of that in a single book.

Maybe all of the rumors that told us that are for 8'th edition which will come out this year?

Hone your zeal LK, come on now.

 Captain Azrael wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The story spoilers are up in the background area as usual. I can say that it was... anti-climactic. Seriously. There is NO fear of the end times. More like the... mildly interesting times. Weakest of the GS series from a plot perspective. I found the GS 2 and 1 stories far more interesting and with larger ramifications to the lore.

So story ends once they reach Throne-room? Cypher's identity is not revealed in the book? Emperor is still alive?

Well I did not expect GW to spoil all of that in a single book.

Maybe all of the rumors that told us that are for 8'th edition which will come out this year?

Well it seems we're getting "super" marines made from robuts blood. Better in every way then regular ones. The ending paragraphs support this but obviously don't state it directly. Just make vague allusions to new weapons and armies of war never seen before as Guiliman sets cawl to task. So the rumor guy is like 95% likely to be right.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Captain Azrael wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The story spoilers are up in the background area as usual. I can say that it was... anti-climactic. Seriously. There is NO fear of the end times. More like the... mildly interesting times. Weakest of the GS series from a plot perspective. I found the GS 2 and 1 stories far more interesting and with larger ramifications to the lore.

So story ends once they reach Throne-room? Cypher's identity is not revealed in the book? Emperor is still alive?

Well I did not expect GW to spoil all of that in a single book.

Maybe all of the rumors that told us that are for 8'th edition which will come out this year?

Well it seems we're getting "super" marines made from robuts blood. Better in every way then regular ones. The ending paragraphs support this but obviously don't state it directly. Just make vague allusions to new weapons and armies of war never seen before as Guiliman sets cawl to task. So the rumor guy is like 95% likely to be right.

What thread? I cant find it anywhere?

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 Captain Azrael wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The story spoilers are up in the background area as usual. I can say that it was... anti-climactic. Seriously. There is NO fear of the end times. More like the... mildly interesting times. Weakest of the GS series from a plot perspective. I found the GS 2 and 1 stories far more interesting and with larger ramifications to the lore.

So story ends once they reach Throne-room? Cypher's identity is not revealed in the book? Emperor is still alive?

Well I did not expect GW to spoil all of that in a single book.

Maybe all of the rumors that told us that are for 8'th edition which will come out this year?

Well it seems we're getting "super" marines made from robuts blood. Better in every way then regular ones. The ending paragraphs support this but obviously don't state it directly. Just make vague allusions to new weapons and armies of war never seen before as Guiliman sets cawl to task. So the rumor guy is like 95% likely to be right.

What thread? I cant find it anywhere?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/720192.page

Sooo... Fallen kind of suck? 4 special weapons, but no transports, no storm shields, full price melee weapons... any reason to take them over DW, or vanguard/sternguard?

 kingbobbito wrote:
Sooo... Fallen kind of suck? 4 special weapons, but no transports, no storm shields, full price melee weapons... any reason to take them over DW, or vanguard/sternguard?

You can take Cypher with them, to have Shrouded and Hit & Run?

Plus their formation bonus of Cypher & Fallen is pretty hefty IIRC.

 kingbobbito wrote:
Sooo... Fallen kind of suck? 4 special weapons, but no transports, no storm shields, full price melee weapons... any reason to take them over DW, or vanguard/sternguard?

Can actually get 5 special weapons...

I don't understand why people care about rules leaks at this point. All of these rules will probably be obsolete in few months.

 Crimson wrote:
I don't understand why people care about rules leaks at this point. All of these rules will probably be obsolete in few months.

1. to play with in the next few months
2. rules don't become obsolete straight away with a new edition, the army updates drip feed over the life of it

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
Sooo... Fallen kind of suck? 4 special weapons, but no transports, no storm shields, full price melee weapons... any reason to take them over DW, or vanguard/sternguard?

You can take Cypher with them, to have Shrouded and Hit & Run?

Plus their formation bonus of Cypher & Fallen is pretty hefty IIRC.

I don't remember seeing it anywhere, can Cypher be taken with any army or does he need to take Fallen?


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 Nostromodamus wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
Sooo... Fallen kind of suck? 4 special weapons, but no transports, no storm shields, full price melee weapons... any reason to take them over DW, or vanguard/sternguard?

Can actually get 5 special weapons...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
Sooo... Fallen kind of suck? 4 special weapons, but no transports, no storm shields, full price melee weapons... any reason to take them over DW, or vanguard/sternguard?

You can take Cypher with them, to have Shrouded and Hit & Run?

Plus their formation bonus of Cypher & Fallen is pretty hefty IIRC.

Well what's the formation bonus?

Otherwise it seems like an okay way to get Melta spam in many lists.

 kingbobbito wrote:
Sooo... Fallen kind of suck? 4 special weapons, but no transports, no storm shields, full price melee weapons... any reason to take them over DW, or vanguard/sternguard?

Yeah, I was expecting them to at least keep the Chosen weapon options and unit configuration. Since they didn't change anything else in the formation with Cypher.

 Bull0 wrote:

1. to play with in the next few months

I guess. I don't play that often so it seems like a really short time for me.
And of course if I at this moment would start to build a Fallen unit, it would be at least a month before I would have painted them...

2. rules don't become obsolete straight away with a new edition, the army updates drip feed over the life of it

Except most rumours say the new edition will be a clean slate reboot like the 3rd edition. Of course it is still possible that this will not be the case.
Personally I will not buy or build new 40K models until I see what the hell is going on with both fluff an the rules. For all I know Space Marines will be squatted and replaced completely with new Guillimarines...

Here are some more spoilers (incl. story) from Lady Atia:

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1777

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1778

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1779