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Sentinel1 wrote: I would extremely doubt anything of the such would happen, Trump's comments in the election race were to self-inflate his image and get the media to focus on him as a strong individual. Although he carries the same views, the Donald Trump we will see as President over the next 4 years will be toned down from how he presented himself on his campaign
Exactly, what indicators of that have we seen? He quickly moved on all of his most outlandish promises within days, even hours of taking office. This was standard thinking before he took office, but one which he has taken every opportunity to vigorously disprove.
But of course. It's been proven time and time again that if you don't have money, the Republican party doesn't care about you.
Hey, shout out to Senator Collins from Maine and Senator Murkowski from Alaska for being two Republicans willing to break from party lines and forcing Pence to own this shitshow.
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But of course. It's been proven time and time again that if you don't have money, the Republican party doesn't care about you.
Hey, shout out to Senator Collins from Maine and Senator Murkowski from Alaska for being two Republicans willing to break from party lines and forcing Pence to own this shitshow.
Indeed, good on them, at least some had the call out this awful nominee.
EDIT: just when I was starting to have respect for McCain again...welp...
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Breotan wrote: he showed he had a spine when dealing with his opponents and the media.
You talking about the same Trump who throws a temper tantrum after basically every single SNL show every week???
Yeah... some spine.
In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
We just have to hope that DeVos runs afoul of whatever red tape can be thrown at her, and that anything she does to the public education system can be fixed in the next administration.
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Sentinel1 wrote: Trump's comments in the election race were to self-inflate his image and get the media to focus on him as a strong individual. Although he carries the same views, the Donald Trump we will see as President over the next 4 years will be toned down from how he presented himself on his campaign.
See, I believed the same during the campaign. But now I'm not so sure.
Since inauguration, what exactly has given you the idea that Trump is now toned down compared to his campaign bluster?
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Sentinel1 wrote: Trump's comments in the election race were to self-inflate his image and get the media to focus on him as a strong individual. Although he carries the same views, the Donald Trump we will see as President over the next 4 years will be toned down from how he presented himself on his campaign.
See, I believed the same during the campaign. But now I'm not so sure.
Since inauguration, what exactly has given you the idea that Trump is now toned down compared to his campaign bluster?
yeah, there's zero indication Trump is toning anything down, not sure where people are getting the idea that this is going to happen when all evidence is pointing to the contrary, particularly after already having two major foreign policy kerfuffles in his first couple weeksnin office with Mexico and Australia due to his blathering bluster.
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New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
Breotan wrote: he showed he had a spine when dealing with his opponents and the media.
You talking about the same Trump who throws a temper tantrum after basically every single SNL show every week???
Yeah... some spine.
In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
Next thing you know Trump will promote a white supremacist to a high position and give him even more power
Agreed. My wife is also in education. We are not fans of this pick.
Yeah, sorry, I'l comment again. My mom's a special education teaching assistant, and is likely closer to the chopping block if public schools start to lose funding.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
We just have to hope that DeVos runs afoul of whatever red tape can be thrown at her, and that anything she does to the public education system can be fixed in the next administration.
What is it you guys are afraid Devon will do? The Dept of Ed is controlled by Federal education laws all that the Sec of Ed does is oversee the administrating of Federal laws, namely school performance testing and sending out Feseral funds. Is there anything that a Sec of Ed has done over the last few decades that has had a meaningful impact, good or bad, on US public education?
My issue is she highlights the pay-to-play politics that all the true believers were endlessly banging on about during the election and now... crickets.
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
We just have to hope that DeVos runs afoul of whatever red tape can be thrown at her, and that anything she does to the public education system can be fixed in the next administration.
What is it you guys are afraid Devon will do? The Dept of Ed is controlled by Federal education laws all that the Sec of Ed does is oversee the administrating of Federal laws, namely school performance testing and sending out Feseral funds. Is there anything that a Sec of Ed has done over the last few decades that has had a meaningful impact, good or bad, on US public education?
TITLE IV letters under Obama that mandated T bathroom access in public schools (yes this is a big deal) and killed the standards for evidence in sexual assault cases to mere preponderance of the evidence.
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
We just have to hope that DeVos runs afoul of whatever red tape can be thrown at her, and that anything she does to the public education system can be fixed in the next administration.
What is it you guys are afraid Devon will do? The Dept of Ed is controlled by Federal education laws all that the Sec of Ed does is oversee the administrating of Federal laws, namely school performance testing and sending out Feseral funds. Is there anything that a Sec of Ed has done over the last few decades that has had a meaningful impact, good or bad, on US public education?
It's been a while since we had a president in bed with nazis and white supremacists so no we are entering some murky water s
feeder wrote: My issue is she highlights the pay-to-play politics that all the true believers were endlessly banging on about during the election and now... crickets.
Well yeah that was never going to happen. As long as we have political parties running things and privately funded campaigns we're going to have preferential treatment for donors.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
We just have to hope that DeVos runs afoul of whatever red tape can be thrown at her, and that anything she does to the public education system can be fixed in the next administration.
What is it you guys are afraid Devon will do? The Dept of Ed is controlled by Federal education laws all that the Sec of Ed does is oversee the administrating of Federal laws, namely school performance testing and sending out Feseral funds. Is there anything that a Sec of Ed has done over the last few decades that has had a meaningful impact, good or bad, on US public education?
It's been a while since we had a president in bed with nazis and white supremacists so no we are entering some murky water s
So your concerns for the Ed Dept are what exactly? The department's own website explains how it has a minimal role in actual education and operating schools.
https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/role.html
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
We just have to hope that DeVos runs afoul of whatever red tape can be thrown at her, and that anything she does to the public education system can be fixed in the next administration.
What is it you guys are afraid Devon will do? The Dept of Ed is controlled by Federal education laws all that the Sec of Ed does is oversee the administrating of Federal laws, namely school performance testing and sending out Feseral funds. Is there anything that a Sec of Ed has done over the last few decades that has had a meaningful impact, good or bad, on US public education?
If your response to a nominee who is clearly unqualified and unfamiliar with subjects that are central to the role of that office they are being nominated for is to ask "whats the worst that can happen?", methinks we're not being objective, and are asking for waste, fraud, and ineffectiveness in what roles the department does play.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
We just have to hope that DeVos runs afoul of whatever red tape can be thrown at her, and that anything she does to the public education system can be fixed in the next administration.
What is it you guys are afraid Devon will do? The Dept of Ed is controlled by Federal education laws all that the Sec of Ed does is oversee the administrating of Federal laws, namely school performance testing and sending out Feseral funds. Is there anything that a Sec of Ed has done over the last few decades that has had a meaningful impact, good or bad, on US public education?
TITLE IV letters under Obama that mandated T bathroom access in public schools (yes this is a big deal) and killed the standards for evidence in sexual assault cases to mere preponderance of the evidence.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: In other news... Yeah, the Betsy DeVos thing... fething hell. It's ridiculous to see just how quiet the right leaning folks have gotten over pay-to-play politics. Whats worse is we have recorded media interviews with DeVos a few years ago where she blatantly said, "I've spent a bunch of money, I expect some returns"
And all the while, the schools will suffer the most for this.
We just have to hope that DeVos runs afoul of whatever red tape can be thrown at her, and that anything she does to the public education system can be fixed in the next administration.
What is it you guys are afraid Devon will do? The Dept of Ed is controlled by Federal education laws all that the Sec of Ed does is oversee the administrating of Federal laws, namely school performance testing and sending out Feseral funds. Is there anything that a Sec of Ed has done over the last few decades that has had a meaningful impact, good or bad, on US public education?
If your response to a nominee who is clearly unqualified and unfamiliar with subjects that are central to the role of that office they are being nominated for is to ask "whats the worst that can happen?", methinks we're not being objective, and are asking for waste, fraud, and ineffectiveness in what roles the department does play.
The Ed Dept provides about 8% of school spending and the Ed Sec is primarily an administrator and advocate. Devon can advocate for the craziest education policies ever and it won't matter because it still takes an act of Congress to enact new policy. The allocation of federal education funds is spelled out in federal education laws how much room to create waste fraud and abuse do you think Devos has?
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oldravenman3025 wrote: It was the Establishment versus a political wild card. I went with the wild card.
Gambling on who should be POTUS, that's quite a reasonable thing to do.
What could go wrong?
oldravenman3025 wrote: As for the controversy surrounding Trump so far, the fact of the matter is that the (largely discredited in my eyes for ages now) MSM and political opposition (and their useful idiots) are making mountains out of molehills.
The ban on Persian is not a molehill. Neither is trying to silence information on global warming.
Prestor Jon wrote: There is no danger that Trump will degrade our democracy. Trump can be rude and antagonistic towards the judiciary, he can even go as far as questioning their integrity but he can't control Federal judges. The judiciary is shielded from the executive by the legislative branch. No president can remove a federal judge from the bench. A federal judge can willfully resign or be impeached by Congress (articles of impeachment passed by the House and found guilty after a trial in the Senate). Congress has to confirm any new appointment to a Federal court bench. Any Federal judge has a lifelong job unless they resign, die or get impeached so they are insulated against the pique of the President.
None of this matters. What matters is “How much popularity Trump have in the military”. With high popularity among senior officers and sufficient popularity among the rest he can just seize power and be done with it.
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https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Agreed. My wife is also in education. We are not fans of this pick.
Yeah, sorry, I'l comment again. My mom's a special education teaching assistant, and is likely closer to the chopping block if public schools start to lose funding.
No reason to apologize. I figured you had second thoughts about putting something personal out there so I dropped it from my post, too.
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The Ed Dept provides about 8% of school spending and the Ed Sec is primarily an administrator and advocate. Devon can advocate for the craziest education policies ever and it won't matter because it still takes an act of Congress to enact new policy. The allocation of federal education funds is spelled out in federal education laws how much room to create waste fraud and abuse do you think Devos has?
As much as anyone else who has been put in charge of something with clearly defined rules and procedures and then proceeded to ignore or bungle them...
If the position was so inconsequential and toothless as to be immune from corruption and ineptitude, then it probably wouldnt be a cabinet level position requiring senate confirmation.
I'm not sayign DeVos is going to obliterate public education overnight, but there's zero evidence she's qualified to effectivrly run what it is responsible for.
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Rosebuddy wrote: I wouldn't certainly say there is no risk Trump won't degrade US democracy. He doesn't seem like he would mind continuing and expanding voter suppression.
How would he do that? He needs Congress to pass any new federal election laws and regardless of whom he gets appointed to run the DoJ he can't make Federal laws like the Voting Rights Act go away. States and political parties are still going to retain the majority of the control over voting processes.
Congress is on republic control now right? Have R's give president more power. That's how it's generally done. Those that have power give it to someone else for some reason.
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Sentinel1 wrote: I would extremely doubt anything of the such would happen, Trump's comments in the election race were to self-inflate his image and get the media to focus on him as a strong individual. Although he carries the same views, the Donald Trump we will see as President over the next 4 years will be toned down from how he presented himself on his campaign.
That's BS Trump fanboys give but you know what? Trump has already proven that theory false. The crappy egoistic maniac he was during election campaign was the true deal all the time as anybody could see. He isn't going to toning down. He's incapable of that. To do that he would need to have some sense but he doesn't have. He's egoistic maniac who's only in it to help his own wealth and ego and rest of US can burn as long as he gets what he wants.
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DeVos' confirmation also further erodes the idea of separation of Church and State. And DeVos is just as likely to pivot on her God's Kingdom stance as Trump has been to pivot on... anything, really.
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Breotan wrote: he showed he had a spine when dealing with his opponents and the media.
You talking about the same Trump who throws a temper tantrum after basically every single SNL show every week???
Yeah. Trump? He has zero spine.
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Vaktathi wrote: particularly after already having two major foreign policy kerfuffles in his first couple weeksnin office with Mexico and Australia due to his blathering bluster.
Add to that Irak and China.
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Vaktathi wrote: If your response to a nominee who is clearly unqualified and unfamiliar with subjects that are central to the role of that office they are being nominated for is to ask "whats the worst that can happen?", methinks we're not being objective, and are asking for waste, fraud, and ineffectiveness in what roles the department does play.
Yeah that's funny arqument. If department can't do anything what's the point of department in the beginning? If it can do something then horrible nominee is horrible nominee and needs to be replaced.
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feeder wrote: My issue is she highlights the pay-to-play politics that all the true believers were endlessly banging on about during the election and now... crickets.
I'm sure Whem' will be all over this after the fuss he made over the Clinton Foundation
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sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
feeder wrote: My issue is she highlights the pay-to-play politics that all the true believers were endlessly banging on about during the election and now... crickets.
I'm sure Whem' will be all over this after the fuss he made over the Clinton Foundation
Ah but it's only bad when D's are doing it! That's the God Given Truth isn't it?
feeder wrote: My issue is she highlights the pay-to-play politics that all the true believers were endlessly banging on about during the election and now... crickets.
I'm sure Whem' will be all over this after the fuss he made over the Clinton Foundation
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
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