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How can anyone this tone deaf make it past the primaries? The more troubling part is that he's pretty powerful in the House.

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In addition to the obvious facepalm, there is the issue that many lawmakers don't seem to grasp; this bill is more about precedent than the effect itself. And when the precedent set is 'corporations over people' there is a problem. Overly burdensome regulation? Yeah right, those poor internet companies just couldn't make enough money without being able to sell user's information. And as we have seen with numerous hackings, this information is hardly safe.

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http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-face-monster-security-operation-as-donald-trump-insists-on-golden-carriage-procession-during-a3515746.html

This is hella amusing to me.

 
   
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Hey, on the plus side, it'll be easier for MI5 and the SIS to kill him in that thing on the orders of Obama.

So there's silver linings.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Our president is a child


He just wants to feel like a princess as he goes to the Ball.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Hey, on the plus side, it'll be easier for MI5 to kill him in that thing on the orders of Obama.

So there's silver linings.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Our president is a child


He just wants to feel like a princess as he goes to the Ball.


Too bad he is too ugly and fat for anyone to ask him

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The problem is that these people actually believe this. It's not being tone-deaf to them.

The bigger problem is that their base will keep re-electing them.

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Why do I get the feeling that Trump's self-enrichment schemes will make Berlusconi's efforts pale by comparison.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
The problem is that these people actually believe this. It's not being tone-deaf to them.

The bigger problem is that their base will keep re-electing them.


I'm not so sure in this case, that he actually believes this, more of a total ignorance about the modern workforce and listening to only big money donors. I don't think he gave it more than a moments thought. It's sort of sad really. I actually sorta feel bad for the guy. Great, Now I feel bad about myself.

Edit: as a side note, would the possibility of putting the right to access the Internet be a feasible amendment to the constitution? It would make infringements and laws like this have a lot more plublicity.

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I too think the Constitution needs some amending with the internet being one of them. We will hit a point where technology is going to make the Constitution as is rather cumbersome and incomplete.

There is some political science transhumanist discussions on how me might need to rethink things as we progress forward technologically as far as the US Constitution is concerned. I would put the internet in that territory.

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 BrotherGecko wrote:
I too think the Constitution needs some amending with the internet being one of them. We will hit a point where technology is going to make the Constitution as is rather cumbersome and incomplete.

There is some political science transhumanist discussions on how me might need to rethink things as we progress forward technologically as far as the US Constitution is concerned. I would put the internet in that territory.


I wonder what form of govt. or politics the first true a.i. will latch onto. I really hope it isn't upvotes or likes. Judging by the Bob Ross Cat paintings, I don't have much faith. On the other hand, the chaos gods would be pleased. I see distinct Nurgle and Slaneesh influences. Maybe a bit of Van Gogh.

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 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
I too think the Constitution needs some amending with the internet being one of them. We will hit a point where technology is going to make the Constitution as is rather cumbersome and incomplete.

There is some political science transhumanist discussions on how me might need to rethink things as we progress forward technologically as far as the US Constitution is concerned. I would put the internet in that territory.


I wonder what form of govt. or politics the first true a.i. will latch onto. I really hope it isn't upvotes or likes. Judging by the Bob Ross Cat paintings, I don't have much faith.


The first government to give people what they truly want? Never going to happen lol.

However, if or when A.I. is created in the US there will need to be a Constitutional answer for it. If the writers for Terminator were really clever, the war would have been started because machines wanted the right to citizenship and not be considered property lol.

 
   
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 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
I too think the Constitution needs some amending with the internet being one of them. We will hit a point where technology is going to make the Constitution as is rather cumbersome and incomplete.

There is some political science transhumanist discussions on how me might need to rethink things as we progress forward technologically as far as the US Constitution is concerned. I would put the internet in that territory.


I wonder what form of govt. or politics the first true a.i. will latch onto. I really hope it isn't upvotes or likes. Judging by the Bob Ross Cat paintings, I don't have much faith.


The first government to give people what they truly want? Never going to happen lol.

However, if or when A.I. is created in the US there will need to be a Constitutional answer for it. If the writers for Terminator were really clever, the war would have been started because machines wanted the right to citizenship and not be considered property lol.


Or just don't create A.I. cause it is a terrible idea

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 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
I too think the Constitution needs some amending with the internet being one of them. We will hit a point where technology is going to make the Constitution as is rather cumbersome and incomplete.

There is some political science transhumanist discussions on how me might need to rethink things as we progress forward technologically as far as the US Constitution is concerned. I would put the internet in that territory.


I wonder what form of govt. or politics the first true a.i. will latch onto. I really hope it isn't upvotes or likes. Judging by the Bob Ross Cat paintings, I don't have much faith.


The first government to give people what they truly want? Never going to happen lol.

However, if or when A.I. is created in the US there will need to be a Constitutional answer for it. If the writers for Terminator were really clever, the war would have been started because machines wanted the right to citizenship and not be considered property lol.


If they think what we truly want is dictated by YouTube comments, the emperor help us all.

Nah, at the point the machines decide they want something different from what we program them for, we are well and truly gakked. We will be more obsolete than that congressman mentioned above. And nobody will be around to lament us. On the other hand, maybe they will put us all in this dakka thread, and there will be no little yellow triangle or hope of escape. Ever read Ellison's "I have no mouth, and I must scream?" I call Benny, Overlords!

What's even scarier than a.i. Is the idea that a dumb intelligence can rule us...oh wait.

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As much as "don't create A.I." makes sense, we both know somebody is going to overlook that advice lol.

I have not read Ellison's "I have no mouth, and I must scream". What is it, I am looking for some recreational reading soon and right now all I have is a first go Harry Potter.

 
   
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 BrotherGecko wrote:
As much as "don't create A.I." makes sense, we both know somebody is going to overlook that advice lol.

I have not read Ellison's "I have no mouth, and I must scream". What is it, I am looking for some recreational reading soon and right now all I have is a first go Harry Potter.


Forego Harry Potter, and read some Ellison. Very grimdark in the worst/best way. The title I mentioned is a short story, Ellison wrote almost exclusively shorts. You can find it with a basic google search. Print it out if going to the beach. It needs to be read. It was written almost 50 years ago, but could have been tomorrow. Then forget about reading any Harry Potter fap ever. Read Eriksson's stuff. Read Ian M. Banks. Read Vernon Vinge, then talk to me in a few years. I won't take thanks, but I will offer a few more recommendations.

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 BrotherGecko wrote:


However, if or when A.I. is created in the US there will need to be a Constitutional answer for it. If the writers for Terminator were really clever, the war would have been started because machines wanted the right to citizenship and not be considered property lol.


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 Compel wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:


However, if or when A.I. is created in the US there will need to be a Constitutional answer for it. If the writers for Terminator were really clever, the war would have been started because machines wanted the right to citizenship and not be considered property lol.


BiCentennial Man, a really underrated Robin Williams film.

Based on a criminally under-read Asimov story.
   
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 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
As much as "don't create A.I." makes sense, we both know somebody is going to overlook that advice lol.

I have not read Ellison's "I have no mouth, and I must scream". What is it, I am looking for some recreational reading soon and right now all I have is a first go Harry Potter.


Forego Harry Potter, and read some Ellison. Very grimdark in the worst/best way. The title I mentioned is a short story, Ellison wrote almost exclusively shorts. You can find it with a basic google search. Print it out if going to the beach. It needs to be read. It was written almost 50 years ago, but could have been tomorrow. Then forget about reading any Harry Potter fap ever. Read Eriksson's stuff. Read Ian M. Banks. Read Vernon Vinge, then talk to me in a few years. I won't take thanks, but I will offer a few more recommendations.



At the risk of being labeled a criminal, Harlan Ellison and Kurt Vonnegut are tied for my least favorite authors of all time. I get more enjoyment from Asimov's textbooks than I do from any of their stories.

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 Laughing Man wrote:
 Compel wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:


However, if or when A.I. is created in the US there will need to be a Constitutional answer for it. If the writers for Terminator were really clever, the war would have been started because machines wanted the right to citizenship and not be considered property lol.


BiCentennial Man, a really underrated Robin Williams film.

Based on a criminally under-read Asimov story.

Added to list of things to read.

 
   
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Suggest taking the discussion of literature to the Geek Media forum.

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 Vaktathi wrote:

The bigger problem is that their base will keep re-electing them.



The bigger problem to this is that they will choose their base to get re-elected.
   
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The Democrats also choose their base try and get elected. That's how democracy works.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Democrats also choose their base try and get elected. That's how democracy works.


No, that's how gerrymandering works. And I most definitely was putting all politicians into "they" not just the republicans.
   
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 Just Tony wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
As much as "don't create A.I." makes sense, we both know somebody is going to overlook that advice lol.

I have not read Ellison's "I have no mouth, and I must scream". What is it, I am looking for some recreational reading soon and right now all I have is a first go Harry Potter.


Forego Harry Potter, and read some Ellison. Very grimdark in the worst/best way. The title I mentioned is a short story, Ellison wrote almost exclusively shorts. You can find it with a basic google search. Print it out if going to the beach. It needs to be read. It was written almost 50 years ago, but could have been tomorrow. Then forget about reading any Harry Potter fap ever. Read Eriksson's stuff. Read Ian M. Banks. Read Vernon Vinge, then talk to me in a few years. I won't take thanks, but I will offer a few more recommendations.



At the risk of being labeled a criminal, Harlan Ellison and Kurt Vonnegut are tied for my least favorite authors of all time. I get more enjoyment from Asimov's textbooks than I do from any of their stories.



Ellison is extremely hit or miss. I enjoyed I Have No Mouth... and A Boy and His Dog, but felt Ellison's prize-winning Repent Harlequin Said The TickTock Man was just farted out on paper. His work is often surreal and very minimalist. Kurt Vonnegut has a similar feel, especially in works like Harrison Bergeron (a must read, for cultural impact rather than enjoyment) and Slaughterhouse 5.


And really, if someone wants to read Harry Potter, then good on them. They can still read Vinge and Ellison and Banks, too. No need to be an ass like Harold Bloom.

   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Democrats also choose their base try and get elected. That's how democracy works.


No, that's how gerrymandering works. And I most definitely was putting all politicians into "they" not just the republicans.


I think we are talking about different things.

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 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
The problem is that these people actually believe this. It's not being tone-deaf to them.

The bigger problem is that their base will keep re-electing them.


I'm not so sure in this case, that he actually believes this, more of a total ignorance about the modern workforce and listening to only big money donors. I don't think he gave it more than a moments thought. It's sort of sad really. I actually sorta feel bad for the guy. Great, Now I feel bad about myself.


Putting it like that, I kinda feel bad for him, too. I certainly don't look forward to being in my 70s and not understanding modern technology. He might be that stereotypical grandfather that needs his grandkids to show him how to use his phone for anything other than making calls (I know my mother-in-law is like that).
And these are the people who keep getting elected into positions of power that can impact the basic functionality of our everyday lives. And when I think about it like that, what does a SCOTUS pick fething matter in the face of electing someone who thinks we don't need the Internet?

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 whembly wrote:
What's total horse gak here seb is believing that there's no link between the two.


Of course there's a link. What is in dispute is your summary of the deal as paying Iran pallet loads of cash.

The idea that you could bribe a nation state to end a national security objective with 2 billion dollars is fething laughable. It shows complete ignorance as to the basic scale on which nation states operate. If North Korea said tomorrow that they would abandon their nuclear plans and accept testing for a payment of two billion dollars the US, Russia, Germany, France, Britain and China would start laughing, and they wouldn't stop until the cash got paid over. 2 billion is nothing. Compare to Iraq - the US was concerned about chemical and gas weapons that were a hell of a lot less dangerous than nukes, and in the end they burned through 500 times as much cash to try and fix that problem.

I mean feth, it's like if there's a hostage negotiation, and after a day of awkward negotiation the hostage takers agree to give up their hostages, and surrender for a plea deal. At which point some people start complaining that the hostage takers were given free pizza. That's the kind of scale that 2 billion is on a national level.

Now, as I said above of course the money was linked. It was linked because part of the Iran deal was about normalisation of relations between the two countries. The greater negotiation about sanctions, nukes and inspections meant it was possible to move forward and finalise the deal. A similar thing happened when Reagan completed negotiations with Iran to conclude the Iranian Hostage Crisis, that freed $8 billion in Iranian funds frozen in the US. And this was more than 35 years ago, when a billion was a hell of a lot more. Still not enough for it to make any sense as a national bribe, but a hell of a lot more than this recent payment. So when that money was returned to Iran was it a bribe to get the hostages back? Ever heard any of your favourite news sources describe Reagan's deal with Iran in that way? No? I wonder why.

The last way to think about this and realise it's total bs is that the US actually feared that if taken through the full process of arbitration, the US might have been deemed to owe as much as $10 billion. Realise that, and the deal to pay over $1.7 billion seems like the US did pretty well. Hell, there's probably a bunch of guys writing a string of ultra-national, ultra-conservative opinion pieces in Iran right now accusing their government of giving in to the US, by taking just 17c on the dollar.

Get it now? Gonna stop listening to the conservative hack press that keeps feeding you this bs? Please, finally?


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 whembly wrote:
Didn't that Iran payment court case happen in the international courts? Ya know... the court we're not a signature to?


No, it wasn't in the international courts. You're wrong there, again.

It was a court of arbitration set up to resolve disputes between the two countries and citizens within each country. The arbitrators were an agree even share of US, Iranian and neutral legal experts. They had previously resolved a number of issues, and required payments from each country to the other to settle debts and asset seizures.


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 Breotan wrote:
How can anyone this tone deaf make it past the primaries? The more troubling part is that he's pretty powerful in the House.


You know how I've been saying for 8 years now that the Republican party is just not normal anymore. That's undergone a process of radicalisation, and adopted a range of policy positions that are unpopular even within its own base. Well now the Republicans are in power and people are starting to realise exactly what the party is now.


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http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-face-monster-security-operation-as-donald-trump-insists-on-golden-carriage-procession-during-a3515746.html

This is hella amusing to me.


Trump claimed China were currency manipulators for years, and that resolving that was the way to bring back American jobs*. But when he met with President Xi, he gave up on the issue with just a single dinner* But now Trump is faced with resistance on getting a gold carriage, and this is the issue Trump is will to really fight for. Shows where the priorities are, doesn't it?




*I mean. Trump was completely wrong. China had a policy of devaluing which was arguably in breach of trade deals and intnl regs, maybe. But they'd ended that years ago, as China policy switched from export expansion to domestic consumption, coupled with concern over asset flight. And even if it was true, stopping Chinese imports wasn't gonna bring back American jobs. Manufactuing that returns to America doesn't re-open the old factories, it opens new, automated factories with very workers. But even if Trump was wrong, if he'd fought for this at least we could have said at least he believed it, and was willing to fight for what he thought would return US manufacturing jobs.

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 whembly wrote:
Ya, d-usa corrected me on that one seb.


What about all the rest? Gonna start talking about the Iran hostage negotiations by Reagan as the US paying pallet loads of cash?

Or are you gonna admit that the way this was sold to you by conservative press was a great big con?

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