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2018/08/06 20:38:22
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Overread wrote: This is indeed the first game starter pack that gives you 100% one faction usable models in the box. Most are two armies and you either want both or you'v got to trade one away or duel buy the box when you get it .
But you could get two of those other starters at the price of this.
So, looking at the prices, it may be better to order directly from Forge World (if possible). Or drive to Canada if a discounter is selling somewhere in British Columbia.
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2018/08/06 20:46:08
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Hmm. Suddenly I wonder if the Warlord is the upper scale (the equivalent of a Knight in regular 40K), if with the next round of Reavers and Warhounds if we’ll see a more “reasonable” starter set that is a step down from the GM version. The “Know No Fear” and even smaller box (I forget its name) gives me hope in a couple months we may set an AT box set that’s more affordable than this GM set.
It never ends well
2018/08/06 20:48:09
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Breotan wrote: So, looking at the prices, it may be better to order directly from Forge World (if possible). Or drive to Canada if a discounter is selling somewhere in British Columbia.
Spoiler:
Wonder what £'s is going to be for brits...
2018/08/06 20:48:58
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
xttz wrote: People keep describing the GME box as a starter, but it really isn't.
But it is the only thing even remotely starter-like. You can’t start the game with just the rules packet. You can buy models piecemeal, but to approach a proper game, you’re still spending a shedload of cash up front.
The GME is a starter. It’s just that AT is not a mass market game, and thus priced based on fewer projected sales to a small, but dedicated group of players with a lot of disposable income.
Edit: Initially. Early adopters are willing to pay more for less, so when AT is ready for mass consumption, there will be cheaper options - by then the moulds will be paid off and GW will release a bunch of savings bundles.
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2018/08/06 20:52:51
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Sqorgar wrote: The GME is a starter. It’s just that AT is not a mass market game, and thus priced based on fewer projected sales to a small, but dedicated group of players with a lot of disposable income.
I think this is fair. It's just not the kind of starter that we see with 40K or AoS.
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2018/08/06 20:55:48
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Breotan wrote: So, looking at the prices, it may be better to order directly from Forge World (if possible). Or drive to Canada if a discounter is selling somewhere in British Columbia.
Spoiler:
Wonder what £'s is going to be for brits...
Nevermind, did my own snooping/converting.
Around £170ish for brits using similar pricing?
2018/08/06 20:59:02
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Breotan wrote: So, looking at the prices, it may be better to order directly from Forge World (if possible). Or drive to Canada if a discounter is selling somewhere in British Columbia.
Spoiler:
Wonder what £'s is going to be for brits...
Something like this:
Spoiler:
2018/08/06 21:04:33
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
It might be cheaper for me to go 'just' rules, 1 Warlord and wait for Reavers and Warhounds.
Decisions, decisions...
Yeah, I’m considering proxying my Knight model for Warlord, Armiger as Warhounds until I can save up to get the actual models. Still leaves me having to get the rules, but will let me ease into the game slightly easier. Not sure what I could use to proxy Reavers....
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2018/08/06 21:33:00
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
It might be cheaper for me to go 'just' rules, 1 Warlord and wait for Reavers and Warhounds.
Decisions, decisions...
Rules and 1 warlord is 170. If you double that you get 340 and that's basically the cost of the GM box and a ruleset. So if you split the GM box with someone and get the rules then you're paying the same and getting the knights and terrain for free.
2018/08/06 22:09:12
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Sherrypie wrote: Right, some fellas here seem to have weirdly high standards I'm pretty sure very few games ever have met.
Why do people claim you can't play with what's in the box? Main designer has explicitly said the game is designed to offer play even with one model via the command terminals since the original plan was to go with superduper expensive resin models. The GME-box offers 8 models, two of which are Warlords. That is plenty to play with.
Why do people lament so much that there is no other titans? They will be out in a month or two, this year anyway. How frikkn' many matches of this specific game do you intend to play in those two or three months that you can already claim the game getting stale in that time? One every evening? Ain't nobody got time for that.
Why do people moan so much about the lack of physical weapon models? Those will be out in a few months too, probably after the two lighter titans, and the models have explicitly been said to contain places for magnets so you can assemble them with volcano cannons at this point and then change to upgrades / conversions later on should you wish to. The rules for other weapons are already in the box.
Why do people lament the box as a bad starter? It is objectively better than other starters in the history of ever because it can either produce two armies or one larger one.
Okay, I get some might not like the price or the terrain that inflates that a bit, but sheesh. At least try to get your facts straight with other gripes and chill out. In EVERY OTHER respect than the price, this set is great.
You talk about facts after an entirely subjective diatribe.
- Most people don't "Think" that's plenty to play with ("Think " - not "Know", as you seem to know. Fact.)
- I want to know the prices so that I'll be able to decide whether or not to buy the main box
- Why the hell should I have to magnetise anything?
- "Subjectively" - in your opinion - the best starter. I won't go into the reasons I disagree because my reasons are "Subjective"
- In ALMOST EVERY OTHER respect (The atmosphere the game evokes, the aesthetic of the models) I like the box. Please at least try to get your opinions straight and relax.
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2018/08/06 22:13:45
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Mysterio wrote: So Titans sold on their own won't have command terminals in them?
Doesn't look like it.
That's going to be an issue for a lot of folk. If you only want to collect certain classes of Titan, having to buy the multipack with terminals for chassis you won't use or else order mono-engine packs direct from GW with no discount will rankle.
And speaking of discounts - what's up with the UK retailers on this one? Most of the prices I've seen people posting so far barely crack 10-15% off.
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2018/08/06 22:16:56
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Mysterio wrote: So Titans sold on their own won't have command terminals in them?
Doesn't look like it.
That's going to be an issue for a lot of folk. If you only want to collect certain classes of Titan, having to buy the multipack with terminals for chassis you won't use or else order mono-engine packs direct from GW with no discount will rankle.
And speaking of discounts - what's up with the UK retailers on this one? Most of the prices I've seen people posting so far barely crack 10-15% off.
Limited quantity may have their margin being lower than usual? No idea. Waiting on the us and more open minded vendors out there
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2018/08/06 22:17:30
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Yah no way I'm dropping that kind of money on a new game without a player base yet. I was going to get it for my birthday but $290 is a hard gut check.
2018/08/06 22:36:06
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Sherrypie wrote: Right, some fellas here seem to have weirdly high standards I'm pretty sure very few games ever have met.
Why do people claim you can't play with what's in the box? Main designer has explicitly said the game is designed to offer play even with one model via the command terminals since the original plan was to go with superduper expensive resin models. The GME-box offers 8 models, two of which are Warlords. That is plenty to play with.
Why do people lament so much that there is no other titans? They will be out in a month or two, this year anyway. How frikkn' many matches of this specific game do you intend to play in those two or three months that you can already claim the game getting stale in that time? One every evening? Ain't nobody got time for that.
Why do people moan so much about the lack of physical weapon models? Those will be out in a few months too, probably after the two lighter titans, and the models have explicitly been said to contain places for magnets so you can assemble them with volcano cannons at this point and then change to upgrades / conversions later on should you wish to. The rules for other weapons are already in the box.
Why do people lament the box as a bad starter? It is objectively better than other starters in the history of ever because it can either produce two armies or one larger one.
Okay, I get some might not like the price or the terrain that inflates that a bit, but sheesh. At least try to get your facts straight with other gripes and chill out. In EVERY OTHER respect than the price, this set is great.
You talk about facts after an entirely subjective diatribe.
- Most people don't "Think" that's plenty to play with ("Think " - not "Know", as you seem to know. Fact.)
- I want to know the prices so that I'll be able to decide whether or not to buy the main box
- Why the hell should I have to magnetise anything?
- "Subjectively" - in your opinion - the best starter. I won't go into the reasons I disagree because my reasons are "Subjective"
- In ALMOST EVERY OTHER respect (The atmosphere the game evokes, the aesthetic of the models) I like the box. Please at least try to get your opinions straight and relax.
Sorry if I sounded snide, I just find some of these complaints somewhat silly. Complaining about the price isn't silly, everyone has their own financial situation which may or may not permit them to indulge in such an expensive box.
But regarding facts, I don't think there's too much subjectivity in my original post.
- Main designer has said even one let's you play meaningfully. Two titans and half a dozen knights are plenty, solidly in the "normal" game category instead of "small skirmish". This is also supported by warlords costing what, 400-500~ish points with weapons (as seen in the command terminals) and "small skirmish" being well under 1000 points (as seen in one rule book teaser page). The box is like getting a 1500 points army for 40k in a box. That is plenty for a starter box, unless you prefer apocalypse-sized games as your normal fare.
- Seriously, no-one but those who game professionally has time to play themselves bored before the other titans are out. Wanting to know the prices is cool, but wanting everything immediately instead of appreciating GW's release procedure for a game that burst in their radar from pretty much zero (FW only resin release and stuff) is a bit petty.
- Of course you don't have to magnetize if you don't want to, but that is clearly their chosen route. Get an already pretty packed sprue out in the release and expand from there, just like they've succesfully done with Necromunda.
- No, I'm referring to the starter being better than normal starters in an abstract manner because it is. Normally you get rules, accessories and two forces in a starter. Here you get rules, accessories and the option to make either one or two forces from this starter. That is objectively better, because you get more options. Subjective opinion plays no role here.
- Those are the facts to which I refer. People are well within their rights to think the box is not good for them because X, Y and Z, but in these respects I don't really see too much problems with it except what everyone is willing to pay or not and how many might skip it because the paywall up front is too high. Do I wish it was lower? Sure.
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Mysterio wrote: So Titans sold on their own won't have command terminals in them?
Doesn't look like it.
That's going to be an issue for a lot of folk. If you only want to collect certain classes of Titan, having to buy the multipack with terminals for chassis you won't use or else order mono-engine packs direct from GW with no discount will rankle.
And speaking of discounts - what's up with the UK retailers on this one? Most of the prices I've seen people posting so far barely crack 10-15% off.
Community Horse trading seems the answer here. "I'll trade you my spare warhound card for your spare reiver card"
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/08/06 22:50:11
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Sherrypie wrote: - No, I'm referring to the starter being better than normal starters in an abstract manner because it is. Normally you get rules, accessories and two forces in a starter. Here you get rules, accessories and the option to make either one or two forces from this starter. That is objectively better, because you get more options. Subjective opinion plays no role here.
Most people I know buy starters because they offer a good number of models for a fairly significant discount on price, compared to what the models would sell for otherwise.
That being said, the GM edition is NOT a starter box.
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2018/08/06 22:51:04
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: I think 110 USD per Warlord would be easier to swallow if there was more than one weapon load out for the thing.
This is part of it too. The cost we're being given is the entry cost on model. There are still all the wonderful weapons they can be armed with that will cost us more. Though if they're similar to the Necromunda gangs it won't be to bad. Assuming FW doesn't get the US pricing upgrade and it goes flat exchange rate but that's unlikely (see recent warhammer-community article for details).
I was doing some careful reading and the weapons are gonna be pretty much 100% optional. as our weapons configs are going to be tied to cards on the control terminal. so without modeling for it, it'll be clear what each titan is carrying.
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2018/08/06 22:53:35
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Breotan wrote: Well, I just looked at what international sellers are charging for shipping to the US.
+$78.09 shipping
*cough*
Looks about right for a box that size.
Yea, but it obliterates any possible discount we might see if we could order from abroad. Hopefully FW will have these for sale and we can get free shipping.
2018/08/06 22:55:12
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: I think 110 USD per Warlord would be easier to swallow if there was more than one weapon load out for the thing.
This is part of it too. The cost we're being given is the entry cost on model. There are still all the wonderful weapons they can be armed with that will cost us more. Though if they're similar to the Necromunda gangs it won't be to bad. Assuming FW doesn't get the US pricing upgrade and it goes flat exchange rate but that's unlikely (see recent warhammer-community article for details).
I was doing some careful reading and the weapons are gonna be pretty much 100% optional. as our weapons configs are going to be tied to cards on the control terminal. so without modeling for it, it'll be clear what each titan is carrying.
That's fine, but as someone that likes to build the models and the appearence of certain weapons over others, I'd still like the option to build the Titans how they should look, rather than just putting Volcanoe Cannons and Missile Launcher on it and calling it good. Exspecially when I am paying 110 dollars for the 'privelage' of building it.
That said, I'll probably just look to see if there is an easy way to magnitize them for future releases.
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2018/08/06 22:56:20
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Breotan wrote: Most people I know buy starters because they offer a good number of models for a fairly significant discount on price, compared to what the models would sell for otherwise.
That being said, the GM edition is NOT a starter box.
A lot of people think that it is a starter, so that's just bad marketing on GWs behalf. They did a poor job of hitting home that this game doesn't have a conventional starter like 40k. Not to mention waiting last minute to drop the price yields knee jerk reactions (that GW deserves if you ask me). Even the FB group has had to start just deleting the rampant negativity that took over the page.
I do think they should have made another smaller box that is a starter. I think after this initial run sells so poorly they will repackage some things and offer a smaller set without the warlords, with warhounds instead and a less cringe inducing price. But that probably won't happen until later on next year. By then the game would have already tanked though and interest will never be as high then as it was these past couple months. This is just depressing to me, took all the wind out of my excitement literally overnight.
2018/08/06 23:09:33
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
lololol Oh Thargrim, this is GW. If it doesn't sell it will just be quietly retired for a while, then they'll find some stock in a 'warehouse' for a limited release once demand spikes again.
Look at the posters here- dakkadakka's their target market. I'd say for every person declaring I'm out, there's one declaring they're all in and two saying they'll just wait until xmas. At this price point, I think they're going to see great success even if only a third of the interested parties purchase immediately.
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2018/08/06 23:11:48
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news - All info in OP - Pre-order 11th August - Pricing Rumours Pg78
Those of you planning to wait and order from Forgeworld...
Spoiler:
Forge World – Better Service, Faster Shipping
The team at Forge World make some truly amazing models – from gargantuan monsters and renowned heroes right up to the towering god-machines of the Titan Legions. Until now, though, getting ahold of these miniatures outside of the UK has not always been easy. While the Forge World website has long provided a wide selection of models to choose from – payment options have been limited, and the only currency anything could be paid for in was British Pounds. Added to that, shipping times, especially in North America, were often pretty long – and we understand that that can be frustrating when you’re eager to add that game-winning unit or centrepiece kit to your collection as soon as possible.
Well, good news – this is set to change – with two big improvements coming to Forge World later this August:
Better Payment Options and Faster Shipping.
You’ll soon be able to pay in your local currency, rather than having to use British Pounds. (Read: You soon will be paying for your stuff on Forgeworld's site with the exact same markup you pay on standard GW products in your country)
This is great news for anyone outside the UK, as it means you’ll be able to see far more easily what each item costs without having to run anything through a currency converter. And you won’t get hit with any surprise conversion fees that many banks will charge for shopping abroad. This also means that prices will be consistent instead of fluctuating with exchange rates – so that Primarch will cost you the same one day as the next.
In addition, we’ll be expanding our payment options.
Alongside the existing PayPal, credit and debit card payments – you’ll find new options for Discover in the US and American Express for US and Canadian shoppers, and a new ELV payment choice for customers in Germany and Austria, meaning that you have more options than ever on how to check out.
And we have even bigger news for Forge World fans in the USA and Canada.
As part of these service updates, we’ve been busy expanding our Forge World warehouse facility to the USA – Operation: Sector Munitorum Memphis. Soon, all Forge World orders to the US or Canada will ship out from our warehouse in Memphis, Tennessee.
What this means for you is that we can fulfil your orders much, much faster than ever before. Instead of waiting weeks for transportation of your titanic transatlantic treats – you can expect your order in a matter of days! Decide you need a new unit in your army following a game at your weekly Age of Darkness gaming night? Order it up, and you could have it in your army by the following week!*
With the expansion of our warehouses, we’ve also taken the opportunity to make improvements to all our shipping processes. So wherever you are in the world, your Forge World orders will soon be shipping out to you faster than ever – with many orders on their way to you within a matter of hours!
All of these updates will be happening later this month. (Read: Just in time for the Adeptus Titanicus release on the 18th)
Keep an eye on the Forge World Facebook page and sign up the newsletter to be the first to know when the changes come into effect.
In the meantime, the website will still be fully functional as we prepare for these changes to come into effect.
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