Switch Theme:

GW Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Major





California

 Overread wrote:
But that is how GW has done nearly all their starter sets for a whole range for well over 20 years. One set of rules; two armies. It's been the pattern for so long it MUST work otherwise they'd have stopped years back.

Age of Sigmar starter contains two armies and only enough rules for one person; 40K starter is the same etc....


I'm not sure if this one will work as well, because the force are duplicates and the super high cost so I guess we'll see. It's tempting to want to just keep all the contents, leave one warlord unbuilt and wait for the lucius head and shoulder shields. And ideally you'd have six knight models on hand for a full game anyways. The one thing I know for sure this game has going for it is the rules and physical components are spot on, some of the best models they've done.

 
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Sad to see that $290.00 price up there, but I wasn't going to get one anyway.

More sad to see people talking about interviews referring to the Warlord being the "core" of the game. That's a shame. I've far more interest in Reavers, Warhounds, etc. The game deserves to be far more versatile than a Warlord Titan-simulator. We'll see when the game gets in peoples' hands.
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




United Kingdom

 Overread wrote:
But that is how GW has done nearly all their starter sets for a whole range for well over 20 years. One set of rules; two armies. It's been the pattern for so long it MUST work otherwise they'd have stopped years back.

Age of Sigmar starter contains two armies and only enough rules for one person; 40K starter is the same etc....


And what's more, unlike those other starters, if you don't split all is good as everything can be used in the same force. A starter where you can have everything for 1 side or 2, bonus.
   
Made in us
Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator




USA

At those prices I really can't see this catching on at all in my area. 290 bucks for a set that doesn't even given enough to play with is way too much to test a game out. 40k, AOS, Kill Team, Blood Bowl, and Necromunda all give bundles that two players can actually experience game play (if at a smaller level) at a fraction of the price.That and the amount of terrain in the box is way less than anticipated. I think this will be one of those games that my FLG will get a single box of GM edition in, and it will sit there for three or four years collecting dust, and then they'll clear it out for half off and someone will buy it.

Part of the problem with this game though is the absurd scale GW decided to use (which of course influences the costs). They probably won't make a model for Imperator titans, but will release rules and encourage you to find a local young child and dress them up in cosplay.

I think Thargrim has a good point, this would probably have done much better if they released single player starters with the rules, a warlord, and a box of knights for 140$ish.

In the end, I was somewhat interested, but at those price points, I'll pass for sure.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2018/08/06 18:52:49


 
   
Made in us
Infiltrating Prowler






 Thargrim wrote:
GW definitely dropped the ball on this one. IMO the idea of splitting the grand master box is stupid. You can't split the rulebook, dice, templates, etc. The other person still has to buy their own rules pack, making the total cost still expensive for the other person.

What they should have done is a 1 person starter, a set each interested player could buy. Rules pack, 1 warlord, 3 knights, 4 terrain sprues. Or even leave out the terrain, whatever. The discount could be in the knights and terrain. It would have offered a more affordable way for 1 person to buy in. Right now if you don't do the big box, you'e not getting a built in discount in anything and in the long run you're spending more money.

They are really going to limit this games potential for growth I hope they are not surprised when the stock doesn't shift.


Agree. This is not looking good. Space Marine (2nd ed Epic) was my introduction to 40k. Was looking forward to this and now very leery. Big problem is that they are treating the Warlord as an army centerpiece model price wise but not including any cheaper alternatives. That there are no alternative weapons on the kits make the price more galling. That Reavers and Warhounds aren't present means this isn't going to get much traction initially due to no lower price entry points. There is going to be no army variety, so unless all the titans are out in the next month, the game is going to get stale fast.

   
Made in vn
Longtime Dakkanaut




The best starter team would be 1 Reaver and 2 Warhound for each side, at least the Reaver have options. Having the zero option Warlord as a launch kit is a terrible mistake.

Maybe in 2019 they would get smarter and remake the content of the GM box.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/08/06 18:57:25


 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





 Sherrypie wrote:

It would be pretty badass to play in a sprawling cityscape, which gets blasted apart throughout the game when players get frustrated with those restricted firing lanes



That does sound cool. But on the other hand I'd also rather not take two or more game turns navigating a sharp corner

With Warlords being restricted to one 45 degree turn(2 if they overcharge the reactor) I can see at least one of my games ending up with two Titans endlessly circling each other
   
Made in us
Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces






Southeastern PA, USA

 Elbows wrote:
Sad to see that $290.00 price up there, but I wasn't going to get one anyway.

More sad to see people talking about interviews referring to the Warlord being the "core" of the game. That's a shame. I've far more interest in Reavers, Warhounds, etc. The game deserves to be far more versatile than a Warlord Titan-simulator. We'll see when the game gets in peoples' hands.


I think you're overblowing some marketing talk. We've already seen an example maniple that includes no Warlords. The Axiom Command Terminal pack apparently gives you the terminals for a maniple consisting of one Warlord, one or two Reavers and one or two Warhounds. And considering that the terminals in the box include two each for Reavers, Warhounds and Knights, it's safe to say that the other models play a big role in the game. Their terminals are all over the place.

Of course they want everyone to own a Warlord. It's the most expensive model that they're pushing.

 silent25 wrote:
Agree. This is not looking good. Space Marine (2nd ed Epic) was my introduction to 40k. Was looking forward to this and now very leery. Big problem is that they are treating the Warlord as an army centerpiece model price wise but not including any cheaper alternatives. That there are no alternative weapons on the kits make the price more galling. That Reavers and Warhounds aren't present means this isn't going to get much traction initially due to no lower price entry points. There is going to be no army variety, so unless all the titans are out in the next month, the game is going to get stale fast.


What it says is that GW is in the game for a longer haul, and don't feel the need to release everything at once and cash out. Everyone isn't an early adopter anyway. Personally, I want my Warhounds and wish they were out immediately. But I can spend a couple months learning the game.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2018/08/06 19:05:15


My AT Gallery
My World Eaters Showcase
View my Genestealer Cult! Article - Gallery - Blog
Best Appearance - GW Baltimore GT 2008, Colonial GT 2012

DQ:70+S++++G+M++++B++I+Pw40k90#+D++A+++/fWD66R++T(Ot)DM+++

 
   
Made in us
Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator




USA

I still think they should have all the Titans available at the get go. That way they could do a 2 player set with a pair of reavers, a pair of warhounds, six knights, and the rules for like $175. A price where two players could spend less than 100$ each and find out if they like the game before investing further.

 
   
Made in us
Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine




Seattle, WA

 Sabotage! wrote:
I still think they should have all the Titans available at the get go. That way they could do a 2 player set with a pair of reavers, a pair of warhounds, six knights, and the rules for like $175. A price where two players could spend less than 100$ each and find out if they like the game before investing further.


The game in this instance is the management of your titan(s) against an enemy titan(s). You can find out if you like the game by picking up the rules and then using your existing 40k models to run through the game. Including more models wouldn't really help you.
   
Made in us
Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator




USA

bogalubov wrote:
 Sabotage! wrote:
I still think they should have all the Titans available at the get go. That way they could do a 2 player set with a pair of reavers, a pair of warhounds, six knights, and the rules for like $175. A price where two players could spend less than 100$ each and find out if they like the game before investing further.


The game in this instance is the management of your titan(s) against an enemy titan(s). You can find out if you like the game by picking up the rules and then using your existing 40k models to run through the game. Including more models wouldn't really help you.


Sure, and you could pick up the rules for 40k and try the game out with coins of various values, but how many gamers do you know that will do that? There is a reason most miniatures games release starter sets.

 
   
Made in us
Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine




Seattle, WA

 Sabotage! wrote:

Sure, and you could pick up the rules for 40k and try the game out with coins of various values, but how many gamers do you know that will do that? There is a reason most miniatures games release starter sets.


The difference is that you can test/play titanicus with literally one model. You don't need 30 pennies, 15 nickels and 2 sacajawea dollars to represent it. Grab a dreadnought each and you're good to go.
   
Made in fr
Longtime Dakkanaut






Right, some fellas here seem to have weirdly high standards I'm pretty sure very few games ever have met.

Why do people claim you can't play with what's in the box? Main designer has explicitly said the game is designed to offer play even with one model via the command terminals since the original plan was to go with superduper expensive resin models. The GME-box offers 8 models, two of which are Warlords. That is plenty to play with.

Why do people lament so much that there is no other titans? They will be out in a month or two, this year anyway. How frikkn' many matches of this specific game do you intend to play in those two or three months that you can already claim the game getting stale in that time? One every evening? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Why do people moan so much about the lack of physical weapon models? Those will be out in a few months too, probably after the two lighter titans, and the models have explicitly been said to contain places for magnets so you can assemble them with volcano cannons at this point and then change to upgrades / conversions later on should you wish to. The rules for other weapons are already in the box.

Why do people lament the box as a bad starter? It is objectively better than other starters in the history of ever because it can either produce two armies or one larger one.

Okay, I get some might not like the price or the terrain that inflates that a bit, but sheesh. At least try to get your facts straight with other gripes and chill out. In EVERY OTHER respect than the price, this set is great.

#ConvertEverything blog with loyalist Death Guard in true and Epic scales. Also Titans and killer robots! C&C welcome.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/717557.page

Do you like narrative gaming? Ongoing Imp vs. PDF rebellion campaign reports here:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/786958.page

 
   
Made in us
Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator




USA

I probably wasn't going to buy in anyways, so take my opinion for what you will.

The problem I see with the way they released this game is the price point of what most people will perceive as the game's starter set. Most people I know who play miniature games got into the game by purchasing a starter set, playing through it a few times and deciding they wanted to go with it. Most gamers I know will also not spend 290 USD on a starter set for a game that has no relevant history (being a completely new ruleset and what not). When people don't buy into a game, they don't become players of said game, and as such I see this suffering a very similar fate to Aeronauticus Imperialis.

GW could have very greatly increased their potential audience for this game by putting out a set with a couple lighter titans (pretty silly to include the games centerpiece model in the starter set), some knights, and the rules at a significantly lower price point. Had they put out a boxed set (that most will view as a starter, as that has been GWs business model forever) at half the price point, people would be much more willing to try it out and thus become invested in the game. I can already tell you everyone in my gaming group will not be willing to try the game out at the current price, so for us this game is DOA. I imagine most gaming groups will be the same.




 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

This is indeed the first game starter pack that gives you 100% one faction usable models in the box. Most are two armies and you either want both or you'v got to trade one away or duel buy the box when you get it .

In this you get enough for two players to play with and you can also go solo. Heck wouldn't surprise me that, with the saving, many get it just for the content and then sell the excess rules online (4 warlords - lots of terrain and 4 groups of knights!)

A Blog in Miniature

3D Printing, hobbying and model fun! 
   
Made in us
Powerful Ushbati





United States

I am cautiously optimistic about this project. The problem that I see, is that while I think the models look great, and I may buy a couple of them in the next year, I won't buy the starter.

If I were to play a game like this, I'd want Eldar titans, and that to me is the crux of why I am cautiously optimistic about this game. Right now, they're cool models to collect and paint, but as for flare and fun. I'm just not seeing it yet.

The sad part to me is that they have stated on record that if the game does well they will add 40K Xenos and so on later through updates and expansions. But so far, all I am reading about the game is doom and gloom, whining and complaints, and that doesn't bode well for the future.

I guess this project might just be a little bit too ambitious.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/08/06 19:59:10


 
   
Made in us
Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator





I wouldn't gauge interest in this solely by what you read here, in this thread.

I suspect it will still do well.

$110 Warlords do seem a little pricey though...

Makes me wonder what a full on return of EPIC would mean for pricing - I'm thinking...'not so good'!

Insidious Intriguer 
   
Made in fr
Longtime Dakkanaut






 Togusa wrote:
I am cautiously optimistic about this project. The problem that I see, is that while I think the models look great, and I may buy a couple of them in the next year, I won't buy the starter.

If I were to play a game like this, I'd want Eldar titans, and that to me is the crux of why I am cautiously optimistic about this game. Right now, they're cool models to collect and paint, but as for flare and fun. I'm just not seeing it yet.

The sad part to me is that they have stated on record that if the game does well they will add 40K Xenos and so on later through updates and expansions. But so far, all I am reading about the game is doom and gloom, whining and complaints, and that doesn't bode well for the future.

I guess this project might just be a little bit too ambitious.


Depends on where one reads, though. Dakka is the resident haven for whining and complaining, with the occasional interesting critical analysis mixed in there, whereas in many other communities there's sparked interest that might flare when the game gets out and we'll have more exposure to it. The price is a bit hefty, yes, but I'm not too pessimistic about that when one considers the very limited need for models in the game. Sure, a hundred or two stings, but with less need to expand it'll still be within bounds of reason. I know I've bought just rule books and tested games with proxy models before going further in, no reason people couldn't do the same here as there is indeed a modelless rules box available.

#ConvertEverything blog with loyalist Death Guard in true and Epic scales. Also Titans and killer robots! C&C welcome.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/717557.page

Do you like narrative gaming? Ongoing Imp vs. PDF rebellion campaign reports here:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/786958.page

 
   
Made in dk
Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot





Copenhagen

Well, I can tell you that it isn't all doom and gloom, our local grouops are grabbing this and running with it. So far the LGS has six starter boxes on preorder, about as many interested but waiting to see a bit more first...
My biggest decision at the moment, is whether to do loyalists or traitors first. I may end up doing traitors, since more people seem to want to do loyalists first. :-)


Oh, and basing. Do I go Martian red, or more standard factory grey for bases... Can't wait till friday, early promo packs are supposed to hit the stores then.

Back on the path of the Imperial Citizen

Still rolling ones...

Krieg: More wins than Losses. 
   
Made in us
Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine




Seattle, WA

 Togusa wrote:
I am cautiously optimistic about this project. The problem that I see, is that while I think the models look great, and I may buy a couple of them in the next year, I won't buy the starter.

If I were to play a game like this, I'd want Eldar titans, and that to me is the crux of why I am cautiously optimistic about this game. Right now, they're cool models to collect and paint, but as for flare and fun. I'm just not seeing it yet.

The sad part to me is that they have stated on record that if the game does well they will add 40K Xenos and so on later through updates and expansions. But so far, all I am reading about the game is doom and gloom, whining and complaints, and that doesn't bode well for the future.

I guess this project might just be a little bit too ambitious.


I think this is part of the teeth gnashing about this game. People want Epic 2.0. This is not Epic 2.0. It's basically a titan simulator akin to the mech warrior games. You manage the reactor, the guns, the shields. How does that even translate to xenos machines? Additionally when you add a bunch of xenos factions, then you only marginally increase the player base while any future updates will cost you resources and will only be bought by a subset of players. If you have a game where all the models/rules are applicable to the whole player base, any new models/books will be bought by everyone that plays.
   
Made in jp
Locked in the Tower of Amareo





bogalubov wrote:
 xttz wrote:
 Sasquatch wrote:


Its worth remembering that GW price at power level rather than size or amount of plastic used. This is the most powerful (Currently) miniature in the game and the price was always gonna reflect that.


They don't, they price on material versus projected sales. That's why space marine boxed sets are cheaper than equivalent sized kits from other armies; it's realistic for them to sell at a much higher volume than most other products.

If they'd come out with doubled sales forecasts for the Warlord kit I would have expected to see a price closer to £55.


In game value is clearly a part of their calculus. That's why a character is one model but costs almost as much as a squad.


That would be "projected sales". Remember plastic costs are front loaded. Material itself is pretty much free but getting to stage you can cast them is expensive. For gw cost is about same whether they produce 10000 or 100000 units. But if you sell less(due to rules limiting) you need to price up model.

Ig commisar is hardly powerhouse but it's not going to be spammed so will be priced higher than troops(more useful in the game)

2024 painted/bought: 109/109 
   
Made in us
Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought





Where ever the Emperor needs his eyes

I think 110 USD per Warlord would be easier to swallow if there was more than one weapon load out for the thing.
   
Made in us
Archmagos Veneratus Extremis






Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I think 110 USD per Warlord would be easier to swallow if there was more than one weapon load out for the thing.


This is part of it too. The cost we're being given is the entry cost on model. There are still all the wonderful weapons they can be armed with that will cost us more. Though if they're similar to the Necromunda gangs it won't be to bad. Assuming FW doesn't get the US pricing upgrade and it goes flat exchange rate but that's unlikely (see recent warhammer-community article for details).

Best Painted (2015 Adepticon 40k Champs)

They Shall Know Fear - Adepticon 40k TT Champion (2012 & 2013) & 40k TT Best Sport (2014), 40k TT Best Tactician (2015 & 2016) 
   
Made in gb
Legendary Dogfighter




england

richstrach wrote:
ValentineGames wrote:
No thank you.
I can buy an entire historical army for less.


Yup. I'm pricing up two full armies for Lion Rampant at the moment - together they should cost me aroud £80 or so. Kind of puts it all in perspective!

Indeed. And you'll probably get more use out of it to. And use it in multiple systems. Like frostgrave or numerous osprey games.

Value for money.
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





UK

 Sherrypie wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
I am cautiously optimistic about this project. The problem that I see, is that while I think the models look great, and I may buy a couple of them in the next year, I won't buy the starter.

If I were to play a game like this, I'd want Eldar titans, and that to me is the crux of why I am cautiously optimistic about this game. Right now, they're cool models to collect and paint, but as for flare and fun. I'm just not seeing it yet.

The sad part to me is that they have stated on record that if the game does well they will add 40K Xenos and so on later through updates and expansions. But so far, all I am reading about the game is doom and gloom, whining and complaints, and that doesn't bode well for the future.

I guess this project might just be a little bit too ambitious.


Depends on where one reads, though. Dakka is the resident haven for whining and complaining, with the occasional interesting critical analysis mixed in there, whereas in many other communities there's sparked interest that might flare when the game gets out and we'll have more exposure to it. The price is a bit hefty, yes, but I'm not too pessimistic about that when one considers the very limited need for models in the game. Sure, a hundred or two stings, but with less need to expand it'll still be within bounds of reason. I know I've bought just rule books and tested games with proxy models before going further in, no reason people couldn't do the same here as there is indeed a modelless rules box available.


Well the facebook scale model kit group I belong to has firm orders for 24 grand master editions since they posted it today including at least 3 folk wanting 2 boxes, and that's the most enthusiasm I've seen for any games workshop stuff on it (compared to 18 Dark Imperium on it's release, 6 for Imperial Knight Renegade and 3 for Soul Wars). Now I suspect there's a strong nostalgia pull with a lot of scale model kit builders being older and thus far more likely to have played/lusted after AT when it first came out, but I think it shows the demand will be strong even at the price

I guess the question is how many of them will be playing, and of those how many will be playing in public places like stores and clubs as it might well be that the typical (older) buyer is less likely to play outside of their friend group

 
   
Made in us
Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer





Mississippi

Whelp, the pricing just ruled me out of being able to pick up the GM box, and I’m not too keen on a $110 Warlord.

I’m guessing the $60 rulebook includes all the cardboard you need as well (or at least, it better if they want to get me on board). Might have to go that route and tweak any templates to my old AT stuff or proxy my Knights & BT models to fill in until I cave in to buy this stuff.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/08/06 20:32:27


It never ends well 
   
Made in gb
Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan






People keep describing the GME box as a starter, but it really isn't. It contains everything from the opening release wave along with mirrored forces that can also be fielded as one substantial army. It would be like if they took the Knight: Renegade set and added a full 40k rulebook, dice, counters and a pair of Armigers.

I bet we'll see discounted Maniple sets after Reavers & Warhounds come out to keep the momentum going.
   
Made in us
Most Glorious Grey Seer





Everett, WA

frankr wrote:
 Mymearan wrote:
Price is lower than I expected (was guessing £190) so that’s interesting.

The US price works out to about £223 by the exchange rate (at least what it was earlier today).

Are you forgetting about the America Tax? It's just like the OZ Tax but only a fraction as oppressive.


 
   
Made in us
Archmagos Veneratus Extremis






Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)

Personally I'll see how things play out and see if it picks up. Otherwise I'll grab a model here or there and slowly build a display legio for my Iron Warriors Epic HH army.

Best Painted (2015 Adepticon 40k Champs)

They Shall Know Fear - Adepticon 40k TT Champion (2012 & 2013) & 40k TT Best Sport (2014), 40k TT Best Tactician (2015 & 2016) 
   
Made in us
Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer





Mississippi

 xttz wrote:
People keep describing the GME box as a starter, but it really isn't. It contains everything from the opening release wave along with mirrored forces that can also be fielded as one substantial army. It would be like if they took the Knight: Renegade set and added a full 40k rulebook, dice, counters and a pair of Armigers.

I bet we'll see discounted Maniple sets after Reavers & Warhounds come out to keep the momentum going.


Sounds like a starter to me - has everything you need to get started with the game.

Just because GW is gun shy calling it a starter due to price, doesn’t mean it isn’t one.

It never ends well 
   
 
Forum Index » News & Rumors
Go to: