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 TalonZahn wrote:
It *is* the Starter Box, there is no OTHER Starter Box.

Incorrect - it *is not* a starter box, the starter box is the OTHER box, the rules box.

The Grand Master's edition is NOT intended as a starter set.

The fact people can't understand this is probably GW's greatest risk.

"I see a big box and I think it must be the starter set" syndrome.

I'm only going to be buying Warhounds and some Knights, so my case is probably unusual also. Whatever I would have spent on a Warlord will go into terrain.

 Silentz wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
It *is* the Starter Box, there is no OTHER Starter Box.

Incorrect - it *is not* a starter box, the starter box is the OTHER box, the rules box.

The Grand Master's edition is NOT intended as a starter set.

The fact people can't understand this is probably GW's greatest risk.

"I see a big box and I think it must be the starter set" syndrome.

I there's not enough in the box to play with, you can hardly call it a starter box. If the only thing in the box are the rules... well, calling that a Starter box is deluding oneself.

The fact people can't understand this is probably that people's greatest risk.

If it just has the rules, it’s the rules.

If it has rules, tokens, templates, models and terrain, it’s a starter.

That people think otherwise just baffles me.

GW used to put up 'one-click bundles' on their website containing all of the new products for that release window. It had no discount and people would (rightfully) mock the idea. I think it's hilarious is that the time they make a discounted bundle box containing everything from this release window, and people still aren't happy.

I really think this is meant for the returning players who having so many years of waiting they'll pay for this. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months time we saw a 'real' starter set priced at getting the new players into the game.

I'm "kind" of OK with the price as far as getting a "technically free" Warlord goes, but I honestly expected more terrain for it (and more weapons options).

Plus, I'm not sold at all on the mini-Knights. Zero feths about Knights in epic scale, really. I could proxy any number of 28mm figs looking at the pics released so far.

So in my case, I'm not quite sure what to do.

I want a "substantial city" ... and some towering war machines ... and all my non-GW epic armour & infantry ... which "should" scale nicely with AT.

Dunno what to do tbh ... I mean, for my plans, I'm aware I'll have to mash existing rules with the new Warlord command system, but I'm certain that's doable.

Hmmmm 35US$ for 3 knight, 70US$ if you want them to have dual guns.

I think probably the best solution for people who want to play this game is using similar size miniature as proxy, and only get the rule box.

350$ Canadian for the GME 130$ for a warlord lmfao GW... I guess its back to HH 30k.

I talked with the gf about prices @180$ it would of been a no brainer at 220+ it was well let me check the money and maybe save a pay day or two......over 220 its not likely happening

 Silentz wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
It *is* the Starter Box, there is no OTHER Starter Box.

Incorrect - it *is not* a starter box, the starter box is the OTHER box, the rules box.

The Grand Master's edition is NOT intended as a starter set.

The fact people can't understand this is probably GW's greatest risk.

"I see a big box and I think it must be the starter set" syndrome.

I don't think you can blame people for that kneejerk reaction. They're used to GW's 'big boxes' being a certain thing and coming in around a certain price. The marketing approach here is obviously different, and aimed at people looking to split a box or the maniacs ready to drop a ton of $$$. And there are definitely enough folks in that latter category to sell through those GM boxes. You just have to visit some other forums to see that.

I admit I scratch my head a little at folks who seem to have expected AT to be a skirmish game-level expenditure. It wasn't ever going to be that, with near-Knight sized Warlords, Contemptor-sized (?) Reavers, Centurion-sized (?) Warhounds, etc.

Having the titans be kind of stupidly big has been solely GW's decision, though, and the prices come entirely from that.

They're redoing and "oldie but goldie" game, and for that they have decided to make new miniatures almost thrice the size of the old ones.I think it's understandable that the increase in price that entails might feel kinda unnecessary for at least some older players. Even moreso when it makes their old collections incompatible.

 Silentz wrote:
You thought you were going to get a warlord titan for £45?

For £45 you can have two 40K Armigers and they're about the same size... So yeah, £45 for AT Warlord would still have been kinda expensive...

Well $350 is definitely too much for me, I get why it is priced that high though, they are without question some of the best looking and complex models GW have put out so far. I bet seeing the set in person would make it seem better value anyway, two knight sized models, 6 smaller "troops", and some terrain isn't that bad imho.

Honestly if they had packaged it with one less Warlord and cut the price by $100 I bet everyone would be jumping over it and probably buying two sets.

Individually the prices seem to make a bit more sense so I can see myself gradually building up a force over a few years. Chances are there will be some better deals including Warhounds and Reavers in the future which I am most interested in anyway

 Crimson wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
You thought you were going to get a warlord titan for £45?

For £45 you can have two 40K Armigers and they're about the same size... So yeah, £45 for AT Warlord would still have been kinda expensive...

Armigers definitely aren't as big as AT Warlords. For reference their backs barely reach the head of a regular Knight, which the Warlord is well above:

Since there's only 1000 coins, is that translating to 1000 copies, then reprint?

Or, the FIRST 1000 bought, get coins?

 TalonZahn wrote:
Since there's only 1000 coins, is that translating to 1000 copies, then reprint?

Or, the FIRST 1000 bought, get coins?

First 1,000 copies sold get coins, then 19,000 don't. And then they seem to reprint in 2019.

 xttz wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
You thought you were going to get a warlord titan for £45?

For £45 you can have two 40K Armigers and they're about the same size... So yeah, £45 for AT Warlord would still have been kinda expensive...

Armigers definitely aren't as big as AT Warlords. For reference their backs barely reach the head of a regular Knight, which the Warlord is well above:

Spoiler:

It is hard to gauge the exact size bur the angle. But yeah, somewhat bigger than Armiger, but remember, you get two of those in the kit.

It is maybe Dreaknight sized and that's £33. The again Riptide is about the same size and is £50.

 Crimson wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
You thought you were going to get a warlord titan for £45?

For £45 you can have two 40K Armigers and they're about the same size... So yeah, £45 for AT Warlord would still have been kinda expensive...

Armigers definitely aren't as big as AT Warlords. For reference their backs barely reach the head of a regular Knight, which the Warlord is well above:

Spoiler:

It is hard to gauge the exact size bur the angle. But yeah, somewhat bigger than Armiger, but remember, you get two of those in the kit.

It is maybe Dreaknight sized and that's £33. The again Riptide is about the same size and is £50.

Its worth remembering that GW price at power level rather than size or amount of plastic used. This is the most powerful (Currently) miniature in the game and the price was always gonna reflect that.

 Sasquatch wrote:


Its worth remembering that GW price at power level rather than size or amount of plastic used. This is the most powerful (Currently) miniature in the game and the price was always gonna reflect that.

They don't, they price on material versus projected sales. That's why space marine boxed sets are cheaper than equivalent sized kits from other armies; it's realistic for them to sell at a much higher volume than most other products.

If they'd come out with doubled sales forecasts for the Warlord kit I would have expected to see a price closer to £55.

 xttz wrote:

 Sasquatch wrote:


Its worth remembering that GW price at power level rather than size or amount of plastic used. This is the most powerful (Currently) miniature in the game and the price was always gonna reflect that.

They don't, they price on material versus projected sales. That's why space marine boxed sets are cheaper than equivalent sized kits from other armies; it's realistic for them to sell at a much higher volume than most other products.

If they'd come out with doubled sales forecasts for the Warlord kit I would have expected to see a price closer to £55.

In game value is clearly a part of their calculus. That's why a character is one model but costs almost as much as a squad.

bogalubov wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Sasquatch wrote:


Its worth remembering that GW price at power level rather than size or amount of plastic used. This is the most powerful (Currently) miniature in the game and the price was always gonna reflect that.

They don't, they price on material versus projected sales. That's why space marine boxed sets are cheaper than equivalent sized kits from other armies; it's realistic for them to sell at a much higher volume than most other products.

If they'd come out with doubled sales forecasts for the Warlord kit I would have expected to see a price closer to £55.

In game value is clearly a part of their calculus. That's why a character is one model but costs almost as much as a squad.

Yes and no.
A character models in-game stats have no impact on its cost at all save for one important aspect - its only expected to sell one model per player of that faction because the game rules only allow you to use one in your army.

A basic troop box is expected to sell multiple copies to the same person as they build up an army, but a character is only ever expected to be sold once to its customer. Any double purchasing is a bonus, but is not to be expected buying patterns for customers.

bogalubov wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Sasquatch wrote:


Its worth remembering that GW price at power level rather than size or amount of plastic used. This is the most powerful (Currently) miniature in the game and the price was always gonna reflect that.

They don't, they price on material versus projected sales. That's why space marine boxed sets are cheaper than equivalent sized kits from other armies; it's realistic for them to sell at a much higher volume than most other products.

If they'd come out with doubled sales forecasts for the Warlord kit I would have expected to see a price closer to £55.

In game value is clearly a part of their calculus. That's why a character is one model but costs almost as much as a squad.

That doesn't have to be anything to do with in game value, the message you quoted could also explain that - characters could well sell a lot less units over time than squads.

If all goes to plan I'll be getting the GM set and an extra box of buildings. I'll get a few battles under my belt before deciding if I should go for a full on cityscape. Reading the bat rep in WD, overly dense terrain may not be such a good thing for this game with the Titans having limited turns and restricted fire arcs.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
If all goes to plan I'll be getting the GM set and an extra box of buildings. I'll get a few battles under my belt before deciding if I should go for a full on cityscape. Reading the bat rep in WD, overly dense terrain may not be such a good thing for this game with the Titans having limited turns and restricted fire arcs.

On the contrary, that is the thing I'm most excited for. If I've understood correctly, the game also includes optional rules for destroying scenery.

It would be pretty badass to play in a sprawling cityscape, which gets blasted apart throughout the game when players get frustrated with those restricted firing lanes

Price is lower than I expected (was guessing £190) so that’s interesting. Still won’t buy it since I have no time or opponent willing to jump in, but I hope it does well for them. If I manage to finish off some projects this year I might get it in 2019 and try to convince someone at the club to join me.

GW definitely dropped the ball on this one. IMO the idea of splitting the grand master box is stupid. You can't split the rulebook, dice, templates, etc. The other person still has to buy their own rules pack, making the total cost still expensive for the other person.

What they should have done is a 1 person starter, a set each interested player could buy. Rules pack, 1 warlord, 3 knights, 4 terrain sprues. Or even leave out the terrain, whatever. The discount could be in the knights and terrain. It would have offered a more affordable way for 1 person to buy in. Right now if you don't do the big box, you'e not getting a built in discount in anything and in the long run you're spending more money.

They are really going to limit this games potential for growth I hope they are not surprised when the stock doesn't shift.

But that is how GW has done nearly all their starter sets for a whole range for well over 20 years. One set of rules; two armies. It's been the pattern for so long it MUST work otherwise they'd have stopped years back.

Age of Sigmar starter contains two armies and only enough rules for one person; 40K starter is the same etc....

 Thargrim wrote:
GW definitely dropped the ball on this one. IMO the idea of splitting the grand master box is stupid. You can't split the rulebook, dice, templates, etc. The other person still has to buy their own rules pack, making the total cost still expensive for the other person.

What they should have done is a 1 person starter, a set each interested player could buy. Rules pack, 1 warlord, 3 knights, 4 terrain sprues. Or even leave out the terrain, whatever. The discount could be in the knights and terrain. It would have offered a more affordable way for 1 person to buy in. Right now if you don't do the big box, you'e not getting a built in discount in anything and in the long run you're spending more money.

They are really going to limit this games potential for growth I hope they are not surprised when the stock doesn't shift.

The grand master box basically throws in the rulebook and the terrain for free. So if you get the box and a rulebook set then you get rules 50% off and free buildings.

 Mymearan wrote:
Price is lower than I expected (was guessing £190) so that’s interesting.

The US price works out to about £223 by the exchange rate (at least what it was earlier today).

 Overread wrote:
But that is how GW has done nearly all their starter sets for a whole range for well over 20 years. One set of rules; two armies. It's been the pattern for so long it MUST work otherwise they'd have stopped years back.

Age of Sigmar starter contains two armies and only enough rules for one person; 40K starter is the same etc....

Not to mention that the contents are all perfectly useful to one person in building a standard sized force unlike most of the two-forces starter packs so it's actually more attractive for a single purchaser than most starter boxes.