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 xttz wrote:
I think there's a lot to be said for splitting the GME box with friends or on ebay. Knowing about upcoming releases how many people really want to own 2 Warlords as opposed to getting Reavers / Warhounds / other Knight variants? Plus if you're on a budget or have terrain at a local store / club, why keep the stuff in the box?

If you can pick up the big box for about £150 with discount and sell on the buildings and a Warlord, you still have the start of a decent army for under £100.


Yeah, I think we're going to see very soon that two Warlords and six Knights isn't the best way for one person to start their maniple anyway. Reavers and Warhounds will probably be the workhorses in most people's maniples. This is a box that you split, or a box for people who are crazy for Warlords and/or interested in starting two maniples.

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£175 (or probably £150 from Element) doesn't seem bad to me. I thought it would be much more than that.

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Warlords have been described as at the core of the game. Andy Hoare's notes – both on the videos and social media – have emphasised that.

With that said, I'm sure there'll be lots of people who want to focus on Reavers or Warhounds etc. (myself included – I've loved Reavers since the original Adeptus Titanicus!), but the intended focus is on Warlords. The White Dwarf article, for what it's worth, explicitly mention that 'few, if any games' will involve no Warlords at all. Maybe that's marketing, but I can believe it.

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I wonder if it makes sense to find a buddy and split the purchase price and the box contents? If $280 is too much for any one person, maybe $140 is a more reasonable ask for 1 Warlord, 3 Knights and 4 sprues of terrain. Thoughts?


Ebay, if you can be bothered. They sell the Knights Renegade Transfer sheet for £15 (yes, the transfer sheet), and it sells too. I'm betting you could probably come out better that way, but it will mean multiple transactions with multiple people, and there'll undoubtedly be a flood of the less desirable bits (Anything that's not a warlord, for me) from day one.

I wonder if there will be any decent art / writing in the book> Or will it all just be movement rates and firing ranges and such (just pure rules)?
   
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This is too expensive for me, at least for now. If the game becomes a huge hit and everyone start playing it, I might change my mind.

I think it might be different if the Knights were not a thing in 40K, but they're, and I think I rather concentrate on them for my giant stompy robot needs.

Though I might get a box of those tiny knights to paint regardless; they're cute and seem to be the only reasonably priced item in the range.

   
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Warlords have been described as at the core of the game. Andy Hoare's notes – both on the videos and social media – have emphasised that.



Most of the batrep pics I've seen have boards full of warlords with a couple of reavers scattered around. Not sure about warhounds.
   
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orsonero wrote:
To me, the grand master box is a very missed opportunity.
We passed months of teasing about this game, about the big bad box, the saving of it, and then just 6 days before the release we get that price.

I know that the grand master is not technically a starter set, but seriously people... this should be a good way to introduce new people to the game, to gain new fresh blood to hook: all that I see is a innacceptable price tag that will discourage a lot of people, and then the game will risk to flop.
I'm very disappointed: I trusted this to be my summer project, but if they think that they can shoot up a price like that because we are near the release and so people are crazily hyped maybe I'm not their kind of costumer, and I will not partecipate in any kind of products tied with this new game system.


I think you are creating a bit of a false narrative here. If you think the box is too expensive that's fine. I agree with you, but there has been no jacking up of the prices. They have delivered exactly what they promised. It is GW's most expensive box and the savings amount to the cost of the second Warlord. All the individual components are priced very much in line with other similar GW products. The Warlord is between a redemptor and a Knight in size and has been priced accordingly. The rules pack with its extra card terminals, and the sprue of plastic bits is a bit expensive but in line with other GW releases of a similar nature.

Personally I will probably start in September by picking up a Reaver to paint and then see how it goes from there.



I don't think there is a false narrative: I think that gw lived on the hype about this release, and deliberately decided to shroud the price till the last days because they know that they are aiming too high.
The price is not just "too much": the price is completely wrong.
it is wrong because:

1) big box are always seen as "starters": new players will see that price, and will run away. A good game is 80% based on player base. no player base, no game.
2) Warlord in the box have just 1 weapon, missing completely all the other setups. For that price, I demand a complete kit at least.
3) Scenery inside are cute, but they are no capable of creating a good game table, so what is the point? Leave them outside so maybe you can lower the price...

Anyway, I will simply jump this and redirect the budget on something else, no big deal. It's just very disappointing to see that sometimes old GW resurfaces.

   
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The price is only wrong if it doesn't sell.


The GM box is going to sell well.

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Ebay, if you can be bothered. They sell the Knights Renegade Transfer sheet for £15 (yes, the transfer sheet), and it sells too. I'm betting you could probably come out better that way, but it will mean multiple transactions with multiple people, and there'll undoubtedly be a flood of the less desirable bits (Anything that's not a warlord, for me) from day one.




On eBay there are already listings for warlords (30 @ £66.99 + £11.99 shipping), GME box (5 @172.99 + £59.99 shipping) and the rule set from the box (5 @ £39.99 + £10.99 shipping) … More than the individual prices, except the GME (GME @ £175, warlord @ £65 and rule set @ £35).
   
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Unfortunately the pricing will make me wait until Xmas to buy into it. I'm committed to Kill Team right now and the relaunch of Middle-earth, and those prices are about 50% higher than I thought they'd be.

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You thought you were going to get a warlord titan for £45?

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It's actually cheaper than I expected (and prepared for), so I'm OK with it

   
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 Silentz wrote:
You thought you were going to get a warlord titan for £45?


At £45, I would see a pair of warhounds.
   
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 Silentz wrote:
You thought you were going to get a warlord titan for £45?


When you convert the kinda-reasonable UK pricing to US Dollars using GW's not-reality conversion, it becomes very absurd. >$100 Warlord? I had been assuming we'd get a $195 starter set, but not $280.

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 General Helstrom wrote:
It's actually cheaper than I expected (and prepared for), so I'm OK with it


Yeah same here I'm more suprised that so many people seem to have thought it would be cheaper. I looked at GW pricing trends and guessed at £200 early on (after I heard we would get a warlord free) so I'm pretty happy with the price as things stand. Yeah cheaper would always be better but this isn't expensive by their own standards for what you get in the box.

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If you use the GW prices of the individual parts that make up the GM box, it is a pretty good discount.

However, as others have mentioned, this is one of their "Starter" sets for people to pick up a new game and try it out.

That price will turn away Vets and n00bs alike. That's a big chunk of change for someone to drop on a game they haven't played much if at all.

The fact it's "Limited" supposedly, pisses me off more than anything else.

I'll have to keep a sharp eye out for an EBay sale.

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ah man, classic dakka again.

You guys, the GM Box isn't a starter as in "attract new customers" and AT isn't aimed at people outside the hobby. Both are aimed at an existing customer base, that knows what they are getting into. The GM is a bundle similar to start collecting or campaign boxes. It's offering you a discount to buy into a new ruleset and miniatures. you can get started perfectly fine without the GM set, and add slowly to your Titan legion. Other than in AoS or 40k where a starter is ment to offer a quick way into the hobby, flooding you with models in a large enough count to have a small force.
   
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Also if this is sufficiently popular, I wouldn't be at all shocked to see a discounted Maniple or rules boxed set come out later on. Something like Warlord, Reaver and 2 Warhounds, or Rules + Reaver + Warhounds.

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I think the clue is in the name - "Grand Master Edition" is not the sort of wording you pick when describing a starter or basic set
   
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Unfortunately, after seeing the actual size of the Warlord side by side with a 40k Knight and the listed prices, all I can say is "Ahahaha nope, nope, nope, not for me".
   
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Bloodmaster wrote:
ah man, classic dakka again.

You guys, the GM Box isn't a starter as in "attract new customers" and AT isn't aimed at people outside the hobby. Both are aimed at an existing customer base, that knows what they are getting into. The GM is a bundle similar to start collecting or campaign boxes. It's offering you a discount to buy into a new ruleset and miniatures. you can get started perfectly fine without the GM set, and add slowly to your Titan legion. Other than in AoS or 40k where a starter is ment to offer a quick way into the hobby, flooding you with models in a large enough count to have a small force.


Well thank heavens you're here to patronize us back on to the straight and narrow!

I think the real issue is that some pretty cynical people have made some pretty pessimistic predictions over the price in this thread, and GW have still managed to exceed them. Then any of those people who are outside of the EU or North America get that extra special kicking on top of that too.

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It *is* the Starter Box, there is no OTHER Starter Box.

Existing Epic/Space Marine/Adeptus Titanicus players, can just buy the books and boards.

They don't need the stuff in the box. They can buy the components they need separately.

But, whatever...... it's still too costly in the end.

They could have gone with a pair of Reavers and cut $75 off the price.



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My local store just got the price - 290USD

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Expensive as hell
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Better wait for a 20% off on EBay, to get it closer to Cost @ $180, lol



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And just so ya'll are aware, after the launch, and after the Grand Master Edition sells out, it won't be available again until the next printing scheduled for early 2019.

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 xttz wrote:
Also if this is sufficiently popular, I wouldn't be at all shocked to see a Titan Maniple discount boxed set come out later on. Something like Warlord, Reaver and 2 Warhounds in the same box with the warhounds effectively free.


Maniple bundles of some kind seem like they almost have to happen.


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From my point of view, this is seriously cheap - I am looking at doing all the forces for the Prospero campaign, so I am thinking that I am getting massive savings on what would have been three 28mm scale Warlord Titans, plus Reaver and Warhound support...

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MongooseMatt wrote:
From my point of view, this is seriously cheap - I am looking at doing all the forces for the Prospero campaign, so I am thinking that I am getting massive savings on what would have been three 28mm scale Warlord Titans, plus Reaver and Warhound support...

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Meh, keeping an eye on Ebay and their sales. I'm unlikely to pay a $70 premium because I live outside the UK. Poor aussies. Either way I'll keep an eye on it and likely grab stfluff bit by bit. Knight price is is reasonable though.

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