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Yeah. 230 euros (195 or 184 with discounts) is still a crazy amount of money to put in. I was told that "GM edition is not for everyone, but the most diehard fans. It's like when you buy a regular car, and you buy a Ferrari"

I just want the dice, man :( Anyone wants the rest, for cheapers?

 Gitzbitah wrote:
lololol Oh Thargrim, this is GW. If it doesn't sell it will just be quietly retired for a while, then they'll find some stock in a 'warehouse' for a limited release once demand spikes again.

Look at the posters here- dakkadakka's their target market. I'd say for every person declaring I'm out, there's one declaring they're all in and two saying they'll just wait until xmas. At this price point, I think they're going to see great success even if only a third of the interested parties purchase immediately.

Oh I was going to post that I was thinking the game would be dead and gone in 10 years or probably less. But I didn't want to seem melodramatic. I guess they made sure to price it high enough that even if it doesn't sell great they should still pull in a tad bit of money.

 CragHack wrote:
Yeah. 230 euros (195 or 184 with discounts) is still a crazy amount of money to put in. I was told that "GM edition is not for everyone, but the most diehard fans. It's like when you buy a regular car, and you buy a Ferrari"

I just want the dice, man :( Anyone wants the rest, for cheapers?

The Dice come in the Regular Rules set too.

How quickly the 1000 sell out, if at all, will be an excellent barometer.

They've had their finger burned on LE stuff before, Codexes went from blinking out of existence to taking days, then even weeks, then probably not selling out at all, through 6th/7th, and many BL LE novels did similar.

If this is a successful release, the coin copies will go in minutes, maybe hours at worst.

BrianDavion wrote:


I was doing some careful reading and the weapons are gonna be pretty much 100% optional. as our weapons configs are going to be tied to cards on the control terminal. so without modeling for it, it'll be clear what each titan is carrying.

By that logic the models are optional too, as you can just glue soda cans etc. on the bases...

Yeah. 230 euros (195 or 184 with discounts) is still a crazy amount of money to put in. I was told that "GM edition is not for everyone, but the most diehard fans. It's like when you buy a regular car, and you buy a Ferrari"

But a Ferrari gives you significantly more than a toyota, Horsepower, Performance, Style. The Warlords in AT are significantly smaller with less options than a knight. They are not somehow better models, just different models.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I think 110 USD per Warlord would be easier to swallow if there was more than one weapon load out for the thing.

This is part of it too. The cost we're being given is the entry cost on model. There are still all the wonderful weapons they can be armed with that will cost us more. Though if they're similar to the Necromunda gangs it won't be to bad. Assuming FW doesn't get the US pricing upgrade and it goes flat exchange rate but that's unlikely (see recent warhammer-community article for details).

I was doing some careful reading and the weapons are gonna be pretty much 100% optional. as our weapons configs are going to be tied to cards on the control terminal. so without modeling for it, it'll be clear what each titan is carrying.

And when you have 2 warlord/reaver with dif weapons how you plan to identify?

Dunno, maybe you could find some sort of fluid that comes in different colours that dries hard when spread over the model in thin layers?

 CragHack wrote:
I was told that "GM edition is not for everyone, but the most diehard fans.

Yeah. Because, as we all know, the regular gamers just want the rulebook. It's only the 'diehard' fans who actually want models to play the game with...


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tneva82 wrote:

And when you have 2 warlord/reaver with dif weapons how you plan to identify?

Writing a number on the base with liquid paper worked fine for Star Wars Miniatures.

Man, blew my monthly budget on Kill Team, don't think I can really stretch to the GM edition this month. Will probably pick up a warlord and the other titans when they're released though, just to they can look all pretty on a shelf.

 Fango wrote:
You’ll soon be able to pay in your local currency, rather than having to use British Pounds. (Read: You soon will be paying for your stuff on Forgeworld's site with the exact same markup you pay on standard GW products in your country)

This is my fear as well.

 CragHack wrote:
Yeah. 230 euros (195 or 184 with discounts) is still a crazy amount of money to put in. I was told that "GM edition is not for everyone, but the most diehard fans. It's like when you buy a regular car, and you buy a Ferrari"

I just want the dice, man :( Anyone wants the rest, for cheapers?

Problem being without that you will generally end up buying same for more anyway. You can skip terrain i guess if you scratch build and knights if they suck ass but that's about it


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 Azreal13 wrote:
Dunno, maybe you could find some sort of fluid that comes in different colours that dries hard when spread over the model in thin layers?

Generally people play one titan legion so colors will be uniform.

Might just as wel' with soda cans if appearance doesn#t matter

tneva82 wrote:

Might just as wel' with soda cans if appearance doesn#t matter

To be fair I'm really looking forward to my Legio Cocacolanatous obliterating my buddy's Legio Pepsicolicus.

Wouldn't the heretics just be diet sodas?

tneva82 wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Yeah. 230 euros (195 or 184 with discounts) is still a crazy amount of money to put in. I was told that "GM edition is not for everyone, but the most diehard fans. It's like when you buy a regular car, and you buy a Ferrari"

I just want the dice, man :( Anyone wants the rest, for cheapers?

Problem being without that you will generally end up buying same for more anyway. You can skip terrain i guess if you scratch build and knights if they suck ass but that's about it


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 Azreal13 wrote:
Dunno, maybe you could find some sort of fluid that comes in different colours that dries hard when spread over the model in thin layers?

Generally people play one titan legion so colors will be uniform.

Might just as wel' with soda cans if appearance doesn#t matter

Gothic script numerals and name scrolls. Not very hard, or even terribly original.

There’s even a spot on the terminal cards to add the Titan number within your maniple.

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I think 110 USD per Warlord would be easier to swallow if there was more than one weapon load out for the thing.

This is part of it too. The cost we're being given is the entry cost on model. There are still all the wonderful weapons they can be armed with that will cost us more. Though if they're similar to the Necromunda gangs it won't be to bad. Assuming FW doesn't get the US pricing upgrade and it goes flat exchange rate but that's unlikely (see recent warhammer-community article for details).

I was doing some careful reading and the weapons are gonna be pretty much 100% optional. as our weapons configs are going to be tied to cards on the control terminal. so without modeling for it, it'll be clear what each titan is carrying.

And when you have 2 warlord/reaver with dif weapons how you plan to identify?

Heraldry

each titan has it's own uniqe one so that's certainly doable. keep in mind that this game is designed around a dozen minis on the table total for a largish game, keeping track of what's what in that enviroment isn't that hard. Battletech players do it all the time. Yes unique weapons configs etc would be nice, but would you really want another 20 bucks added to a warlord titan's already high price tag?

tneva82 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Dunno, maybe you could find some sort of fluid that comes in different colours that dries hard when spread over the model in thin layers?

Generally people play one titan legion so colors will be uniform.

Difficult to see how people generally do anything for a game that's been offficially dead for over a decade, but ok. Then again, people manage to find ways to distinguish squads in 40K when they've got dozens of models in identical livery all the time, so perhaps you need to up your dose of imagination pills?

Might just as wel' with soda cans if appearance doesn#t matter

 insaniak wrote:

Yeah. Because, as we all know, the regular gamers just want the rulebook. It's only the 'diehard' fans who actually want models to play the game with...
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You know the models are available separately, there's no need to be flippant.

The GME is for people who want to own 2 Warlords. However that won't apply to every player, in the same way that not everyone wants to start 40k by picking up two Land Raiders in their first box.

The GME is for people who want to own 2 Warlords. However that won't apply to every player, in the same way that not everyone wants to start 40k by picking up two Land Raiders in their first box.

Except the Land Raider is a marginal at best heavy transport. The Warlord is THE Core unit of the game as stated by the developers. Its more like picking up two required tactical squads in a single box.

 xttz wrote:

The GME is for people who want to own 2 Warlords. However that won't apply to every player, in the same way that not everyone wants to start 40k by picking up two Land Raiders in their first box.

Sure, many players will only want one Warlord, rather than two. So they can skip the GM edition, and buy the Rules box and the corresponding terrain and miniatures... which works out more expensive than buying the GM edition with its extra Warlord.


The GM edition isn't for 'diehard' fans at all. It's for people who want everything that they need to play in one purchase, preferably with a discount for buying it all in one go. Sort of like a starter set.

 xttz wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Yeah. Because, as we all know, the regular gamers just want the rulebook. It's only the 'diehard' fans who actually want models to play the game with...
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You know the models are available separately, there's no need to be flippant.

The GME is for people who want to own 2 Warlords. However that won't apply to every player, in the same way that not everyone wants to start 40k by picking up two Land Raiders in their first box.

Sure. But 1 unit games will grow old really fast and for example remove point of manourering. You seem to think warlord here is like warlord in 40k, 1 i# all you need. In practice you will want more of the core unit of the game.

Warlord isn't land raider. It's tactical squad

Justyn wrote:

The GME is for people who want to own 2 Warlords. However that won't apply to every player, in the same way that not everyone wants to start 40k by picking up two Land Raiders in their first box.

Except the Land Raider is a marginal at best heavy transport. The Warlord is THE Core unit of the game as stated by the developers. Its more like picking up two required tactical squads in a single box.

How many cores does an apple have?

I suspect by core in this case the warlord is going to be the big single unit you build the rest of your force to support.

Justyn wrote:

The GME is for people who want to own 2 Warlords. However that won't apply to every player, in the same way that not everyone wants to start 40k by picking up two Land Raiders in their first box.

Except the Land Raider is a marginal at best heavy transport. The Warlord is THE Core unit of the game as stated by the developers. Its more like picking up two required tactical squads in a single box.

No, that's not an accurate comparison. Otherwise, the maniple packs would all have multiple Warlords. And we already know that's not true.





Plus there's the maniple that previewed on Warhammer TV that showed one Reaver and 2-4 Warhounds.

A couple of things that may have been missed in all the kerfuffle. The rules pack comes with two Warlord, two Reaver, two warhound, and two knight terminal cards. Interestingly it also comes with two reference sheets. In terms of actually playing the game it looks like it has been designed to only need one rules pack unless you are trying to stage pretty big fights.
As for buying just the rules, I have 2 epic warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds and a dozen Knights at home. If I divide all THW measurements by 2 and play on a 2 by 2 table, I could easily play the game without buying a single mini.

As for the new big minis, the lack of weapon options is a disappointment, but the posability is a big step up from the 40k Knights. You could have two warlords and easily tell them apart just by the pose without having to do any conversion work.

I think these kits will sell a lot just as collectors items. There is a beautifully painted Reaver that I saw on twitter the other day that really made me want to buy one.

tneva82 wrote:
In practice you will want more of the core unit of the game.

Warlord isn't land raider. It's tactical squad

Completely untrue. Warlords are an iconic unit for the artwork, not a core one in the game. They have previewed rules for titan maniples with a max of 1 or zero Warlords. You have the option to field multiple, but it's absolutely not required or expected.

That is why I used the land raider comparison. They're large kits that can be useful but definitely aren't essential.

Completely untrue. Warlords are a poster unit, not a core one.They have previewed rules for titan maniples with a max of 1 or zero Warlords. You have the option to field multiple, but it's absolutely not required or expected.

That is why I used the land raider comparison. They're large kits can ve useful but aren't a core army requirement.

While you are technically correct it is not required to have a Warlord. Technically is the worst way to be correct. Warlords are the core units of the Titan legions and almost everyone who plays will want to have multiple. Just like you could play Space Marines without any actual Space Marines you could play AT and never field one Warlords. But that doesn't make them not the core unit. Like I said before LR are a mediocre heavy transport, not the core, poster boy unit of the entire game. Warlords are the core poster boy unit of the entire game. How many Reavers and Warhounds are going to be available for sale on day 1?

Well, they did say it could easily be a rare game that doesn't include at least one Warlord in a force.

I can see times where you want a skirmishing force of Reavers and Warhounds, but I think most battlelines would at least want a Warlord as an anchor, just because of all the weapons and damage soak it can bring to bear. Its the Imperial Star Destroyer of titans.

I could see myself getting 'one' if I get into the game, as a centerpiece.

The warlords are definitely the main unit of the game. They are basically the rock, a platform around which all your other forces operate and maneuver. You could go for the more agile maniple that is 1 reaver 4 warhounds but how balanced that will be remains to be seen. Plus of course they will do lucius pattern bits, so if you care at all about that you need to have a spare warlord unbuilt. I definitely don't think you need more than 2-3 warlords, but two is very ideal.

Ugh, so for a buy in I have to purchase £90's worth of stuff, close to £200 if I want to play a full game? No thanks, these prices are insane. Especially the Knights - £6 per model for 28mm sized units? Having a laugh much?