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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 08:55:07
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Now, I may be thicker than a Whale omelette with this statement, but.....
Totally just twigged the name of the game.
It’s not Horus Heresy; Adeptus Titanicus. But Adeptus Titanicus; Horus Heresy.
May suggest plans already foot for Xenos additions.
Orks and Eldar are active and use the same engines in the Heresy as they do in 40k so they donlt even need to move the time period.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 09:02:33
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Mr Morden wrote:Orks and Eldar are active and use the same engines in the Heresy as they do in 40k so they donlt even need to move the time period.
Eldar might be possible exception. Fall isn't that far off. Did eldar use spirit stones before fall? If not that tech is basically from great crusade onward.
Though main reason to shift timeline would be explore new area of fluff. The beast for orks for example. Put them into main focus. In HH orks would be sideline stuff rather than main focus so if you expand for orks...Put them on main focus!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 09:07:55
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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The fall was before the HH
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 09:37:05
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Which is why I said great crusade didn't I? Great crusade began with the birth of Slaanesh. If spirit stones weren't used before they became essential to protect from slaanesh then the eldar had ~200 years to come up with those wraith constructs...Also COULD they do spirit stones? At least in 40k you get spirit stones from the planets inside the Eye of Terror...
So while not conclusive one could make case for HH era eldars still being quite new. They are only about 200 years or so since Slaanesh was born.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 10:13:09
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Regular Dakkanaut
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tneva82 wrote:
Which is why I said great crusade didn't I? Great crusade began with the birth of Slaanesh. If spirit stones weren't used before they became essential to protect from slaanesh then the eldar had ~200 years to come up with those wraith constructs...Also COULD they do spirit stones? At least in 40k you get spirit stones from the planets inside the Eye of Terror...
So while not conclusive one could make case for HH era eldars still being quite new. They are only about 200 years or so since Slaanesh was born.
Wasn't it the Age of Strife that began with the birth of Slaanesh, and the Great Crusade about five thousand years later when things had settled down a bit?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 10:13:29
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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But this game is HH, what would the crusade have to do with being able to use the same titans in both?
In any event, before Slaanesh they'd just reincarnate so there'd be no need for spiritstones.
They must have been developed in the run up to the fall by the factions that saw the fall coming - so yeah, must be a relatively new concept at the time of the fall - but the Craftworld's and their infinity circuits were already complete by then, so the technology must have been pretty well developed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 10:17:09
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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General Helstrom wrote:tneva82 wrote:
Which is why I said great crusade didn't I? Great crusade began with the birth of Slaanesh. If spirit stones weren't used before they became essential to protect from slaanesh then the eldar had ~200 years to come up with those wraith constructs...Also COULD they do spirit stones? At least in 40k you get spirit stones from the planets inside the Eye of Terror...
So while not conclusive one could make case for HH era eldars still being quite new. They are only about 200 years or so since Slaanesh was born.
Wasn't it the Age of Strife that began with the birth of Slaanesh, and the Great Crusade about five thousand years later when things had settled down a bit?
Age of strife was started by Slaanesh BEGINNING to form which caused warp storms that prevented humans traveling much. Emperor later sensing birth of slaanesh knew time to move was coming and united Earth and formed up his marine legions. Slaanesh birth blew away warp storm calming warp and allowing Emperor to begin his great crusade. Great crusade was IMPOSSIBLE before Slaanesh was born for good due to the warp storms. Automatically Appended Next Post: Vorian wrote:But this game is HH, what would the crusade have to do with being able to use the same titans in both?
That Eldar had only 200 years or so to develop those titans and have enough to to make impact. Seeing how glacial pace development generally is(how much eldars changed in past 10k?) that seems awfully short time for building up classes of titans etc...
Which makes eldars as good candinate for having different way to fight and tech during HH. Now sure GW could go "oh they have already those" but it's possible to go for alternative road and have present eldar titans come on later date. Maybe later expand eldars during HH by having different kind of tech they used before they mastered spirit stone tech. Seems like win-win situation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 10:25:05
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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But like I said, they had Craftworlds which are small planet scale constructs using exactly the same technology as their titans.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that HH Eldar are basically identical to 40k Eldar
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 10:41:47
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Brainless Servitor
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Since Phantom and Warlock titans are mentioned in HH: Inferno (In Ordo Sinister backgroud), it seems modern Eldar engines were already present by Great Crusade; possibly they are pre-fall designs, just retrofitted with spiritstones. Besides, why would you spend your limited resourses and elfpower on designing titanic warmachines, in such a situation?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 10:46:36
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Regular Dakkanaut
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tneva82 wrote:
Age of strife was started by Slaanesh BEGINNING to form which caused warp storms that prevented humans traveling much. Emperor later sensing birth of slaanesh knew time to move was coming and united Earth and formed up his marine legions. Slaanesh birth blew away warp storm calming warp and allowing Emperor to begin his great crusade. Great crusade was IMPOSSIBLE before Slaanesh was born for good due to the warp storms.
Ah so it was the conception of Slaanesh that set off the Age of Strife, and the birth that ended it. Thanks for clearing that up
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 11:37:18
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Thinking forward if GW want to eventually advance AT into supporting a rebirth of Epic then it would make sense that whatever they release into AT remains viable in the 40K environment.
That aid Titans tend to hang around for a LONG time so even classic or older Eldar designs could be retained as vintage warmachines into the 41st millennium. That said its far more likely that they give us the phantoms and such that everyone knows, loves and wants to see; and then add additional titan types to give them some variety and new content
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 11:39:24
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Regis_sotum wrote:Since Phantom and Warlock titans are mentioned in HH: Inferno (In Ordo Sinister backgroud), it seems modern Eldar engines were already present by Great Crusade; possibly they are pre-fall designs, just retrofitted with spiritstones. Besides, why would you spend your limited resourses and elfpower on designing titanic warmachines, in such a situation?
Eldar titans are also mentioned as participating in at least one battle during the horus heresy in the new Adeptus Titanicus rule book.
012.M31 The Balthor Sigma Intervention: " Entirely unheralded a force of xenos titan analogues, Later determined to belong to the Eldar, intervenes to devestating effect."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 11:43:25
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Fixture of Dakka
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Eldar Titans are also present (in ancient, ruined form) in A Thousand Sons, before the Heresy. It makes it sound like they were around for a LONG time before that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 14:45:14
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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You know, if you guys can keep the xenos titan conversation going for about 3 more years, you'll successfully pass the time until xenos titans become a realistic deliverable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 16:58:42
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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I thought Eldar Titans didn’t use spirit stones for command&control?
Their Titan crews are real meat people sitting in couches in the head, linked together into a psychic gestalt in order to provide sufficient Warp and computational power to drive the staggering requirements of the Titan.
IIRC of course , but I also thought that they retrofitted spirit stones to repair them in battle, along with a nest of wraith spiders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 18:11:41
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Classically, Eldar Titans had both pilots and backup spirit stones (same with Knights). I forget the order, but one of the two was primary, yet if slain, the other could take over with a reduced statline.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 18:16:39
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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And it took the super rare Eldar Triplets to power/run the awesome Warlock Titan too!
Can't wait to see them all re-imagined here, in today's tech.
(Today's pricing? Not so much...)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 18:30:29
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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I hope they release those full color transfer sheets soon. Hoping they did one for Krytos/Tempestus too, since they have unique imagery as well. Maybe we'll get some accessories alongside the reaver release.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 20:19:23
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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One little thing that annoys me is ‘volcano cannon’. It sounds dumb. For those of you that weren’t around for the first Titanicus go around, this weapon used to be the defense laser. A better name I thought, as it was basically a Titan mounted version of a weapon that a ground based installation would use to defend itself from low orbit threats....anyway, volcano cannon rubs me the wrong way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 20:24:20
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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OK?
So...pizza for dinner tonight?
I'm more annoyed that there aren't more options (in plastic) available at launch, in the box, for the Warlords.
Now that's lame!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 20:46:38
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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totalfailure wrote:One little thing that annoys me is ‘volcano cannon’. It sounds dumb. For those of you that weren’t around for the first Titanicus go around, this weapon used to be the defense laser. A better name I thought, as it was basically a Titan mounted version of a weapon that a ground based installation would use to defend itself from low orbit threats....anyway, volcano cannon rubs me the wrong way.
the modern explination is that the weapon is so massive that when it hits rocks it results is massive gushes of liquid rock "like a volcano had gone off"
which yeah I agree is silly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 21:17:44
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Fixture of Dakka
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Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader came out in 1987 and it was the Defence Laser there. Space Marine 2nd edition came out in 1991 and renamed it the Volcano Cannon. It's had that name for 90% of the lifespan of the setting.
Titan Legions retconned the Defence Laser as being a Volcano Cannon with AA capability, for what it's worth. The Imperator Titan had one, right at the top.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 21:44:04
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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So I've decided to go with Legio Atarus, for my titans, Aka the Firebrands. as I figured that out I've been doing some research on associated knight orders for the world of Atar-Meridian which is the home forgrworld of the Legio. my inital readings of their colour scheme didn't give me one, but I lucked out and found a diaorama done of a battle with the knight house involved. looks like it's a simple red and silver scheme.
thought I'd post it for anyone else as it took a tinsy bit of research to find it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/23 21:46:53
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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I don’t disagree it’s been volcano cannon for a long time...that just means it’s had a dumb name for a long time, though! The right hand Titan in this BGG photo is a Warlord Eclipse variant and its data card with defense laser, from the original AT.
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/331822/adeptus-titanicus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/24 02:44:36
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Well, I just got my rules set and box of Knights and started putting things together.
The Knights are gorgeous little things, but I'm now irked. Only one of each ranged weapon? Really? And no missile pod? I really feel like for the price I paid I should have at least been able to make one twin gatling armed knight like the picture in the rulebook.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/24 02:50:56
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Stormonu wrote:Well, I just got my rules set and box of Knights and started putting things together.
The Knights are gorgeous little things, but I'm now irked. Only one of each ranged weapon? Really? And no missile pod? I really feel like for the price I paid I should have at least been able to make one twin gatling armed knight like the picture in the rulebook.
you should proably glad you didn't get what you wanted then, A twin gatling Knight apparently is nearly useless in AT
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/24 04:05:55
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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BrianDavion wrote: Stormonu wrote:Well, I just got my rules set and box of Knights and started putting things together.
The Knights are gorgeous little things, but I'm now irked. Only one of each ranged weapon? Really? And no missile pod? I really feel like for the price I paid I should have at least been able to make one twin gatling armed knight like the picture in the rulebook.
you should proably glad you didn't get what you wanted then, A twin gatling Knight apparently is nearly useless in AT
Did I miss something in the rules? They seem like they would be excellent Void Shield strippers and could rip up other Knights (but nothing bigger)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/24 04:25:34
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Stormonu wrote: Did I miss something in the rules? They seem like they would be excellent Void Shield strippers and could rip up other Knights (but nothing bigger) Voidshield is immune to S3 or less attack. Which is pretty dump to make AGC S3 because it had similar caliber to the vulcan mega bolter. The stat for the weapon is simply wrong, wrong number of dice, wrong range, wrong strength
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/24 04:29:38
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Torture Victim in the Bowels of the Rock
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Stormonu wrote:BrianDavion wrote: Stormonu wrote:Well, I just got my rules set and box of Knights and started putting things together.
The Knights are gorgeous little things, but I'm now irked. Only one of each ranged weapon? Really? And no missile pod? I really feel like for the price I paid I should have at least been able to make one twin gatling armed knight like the picture in the rulebook.
you should proably glad you didn't get what you wanted then, A twin gatling Knight apparently is nearly useless in AT
Did I miss something in the rules? They seem like they would be excellent Void Shield strippers and could rip up other Knights (but nothing bigger)
They are Strength 3, so Titan Void Sheilds ignore them, they are only good enough to hit other knights.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/08/24 04:45:41
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus ongoing news and rumours - Warhound Preview Pg91 - Pre Orders Up
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Chopstick wrote: Stormonu wrote:
Did I miss something in the rules? They seem like they would be excellent Void Shield strippers and could rip up other Knights (but nothing bigger)
Voidshield is immune to S3 or less attack.
Which is pretty dump to make AGC S3 because it had similar caliber to the vulcan mega bolter. The stat for the weapon is simply wrong, wrong number of dice, wrong range, wrong strength
vulcan mega bolter fires 20 shots to the avenger's 12, at just under twice the range. Thats the only differance so yeah... avanger being STR 4 might not be a bad idea...
that said.. balance might be an issue here, they might not want knights being the best void strippers point for point in the game.
I've played battletech for years and have had plenty of oppertunities in the past to people who where on the design team. and people would occasionally ask them why tanks wheren't better, why infantry wasn't better etc, and they where pretty unapologetic in that the rules where designed to ensure Battlemechs dominated the battlefield. there might be an element of that where they deliberatly wanted to ensure knights were's so good people that the "international grand tourny winning lists" wheren't "all knight lists"
speaking of knights just assmbled mine. man the scale of the game doesn't hit you until you're assmbling those suckers and comparing the process mentally to building a full size one. and realizing "this fiddly little bit if a canon bigger then the model on the 28mm scale one!"
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