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tneva82 wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Point being? Nothing contradicts it. Why start contradicting good valid fluff just for fun of it

For the same reason GW decided to push the weak "Dark Imperium" fluff with its "bigger and more powerful and more purer Space Marines". Sell more models.

GW don't care about the fluff, they care about the $$$.

 Zethnar wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Point being? Nothing contradicts it. Why start contradicting good valid fluff just for fun of it

For the same reason GW decided to push the weak "Dark Imperium" fluff with its "bigger and more powerful and more purer Space Marines". Sell more models.

GW don't care about the fluff, they care about the $$$.

boy someone's assuming. the point is that fluff is old and dtates back to a time when an aweful lot of stuff had been retconned etc. thus holding onto it as garnteed is a bad idea because they could change it simply to make it fall more in line with the setting as it's evolved since the 80s. We dunno if it's changed or not. we simply should not accept that fluff from the 2nd edition era is nesscarily gonna stay true.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Zethnar wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Point being? Nothing contradicts it. Why start contradicting good valid fluff just for fun of it

For the same reason GW decided to push the weak "Dark Imperium" fluff with its "bigger and more powerful and more purer Space Marines". Sell more models.

GW don't care about the fluff, they care about the $$$.

boy someone's assuming. the point is that fluff is old and dtates back to a time when an aweful lot of stuff had been retconned etc. thus holding onto it as garnteed is a bad idea because they could change it simply to make it fall more in line with the setting as it's evolved since the 80s. We dunno if it's changed or not. we simply should not accept that fluff from the 2nd edition era is nesscarily gonna stay true.

No, but until it has been contradicted, it still holds true.

Important note when building the Reaver- make sure to pay attention to which shoe goes on which leg. I paid more attention to lining up the toe sockets on my fist one and had to crack it apart to get the feet the right way around. Oops.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Zethnar wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Point being? Nothing contradicts it. Why start contradicting good valid fluff just for fun of it

For the same reason GW decided to push the weak "Dark Imperium" fluff with its "bigger and more powerful and more purer Space Marines". Sell more models.

GW don't care about the fluff, they care about the $$$.

boy someone's assuming. the point is that fluff is old and dtates back to a time when an aweful lot of stuff had been retconned etc. thus holding onto it as garnteed is a bad idea because they could change it simply to make it fall more in line with the setting as it's evolved since the 80s. We dunno if it's changed or not. we simply should not accept that fluff from the 2nd edition era is nesscarily gonna stay true.

No, but until it has been contradicted, it still holds true.

Important note when building the Reaver- make sure to pay attention to which shoe goes on which leg. I paid more attention to lining up the toe sockets on my fist one and had to crack it apart to get the feet the right way around. Oops.

thanks for the advice.

as for if it's contridicted thats why I'd really like to see some more fluff, One thing I loved about Battletech was the Technical Readout sourcebooks. I'd LOOVE to see something like that in a book, although with only 3 titans we'd need it to be part of something bigger

BrianDavion wrote:
One thing I loved about Battletech was the Technical Readout sourcebooks. I'd LOOVE to see something like that in a book, although with only 3 titans we'd need it to be part of something bigger

Given that it wounds be a fairly small amount of material this is exactly the sort of thing that white dwarf ought to be good for.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
One thing I loved about Battletech was the Technical Readout sourcebooks. I'd LOOVE to see something like that in a book, although with only 3 titans we'd need it to be part of something bigger

Given that it wounds be a fairly small amount of material this is exactly the sort of thing that white dwarf ought to be good for.

They have said that they plan to release other titans for the game, so perhaps when that happens there will be a corresponding book with some extra fluff. (Or at least I hope so)

 Scott-S6 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
One thing I loved about Battletech was the Technical Readout sourcebooks. I'd LOOVE to see something like that in a book, although with only 3 titans we'd need it to be part of something bigger

Given that it wounds be a fairly small amount of material this is exactly the sort of thing that white dwarf ought to be good for.

Maybe, or bundle it with some other things, one thing I'd LOVE to see Black Library do are dedicated sourcebooks for 40k.

BrianDavion wrote:

Maybe, or bundle it with some other things, one thing I'd LOVE to see Black Library do are dedicated sourcebooks for 40k.

Oh yes please. No frills rule books for gaming and proper tomes for background would be great. While the HH black books are lovely products, they are no fun to lug around until the relevant red books get updated.


On a modelling note, I hadn't realised until mine arrived that the Reaver head is on the weapon sprue. Fingers crossed for some alternate designs in the future.

Well, I have my Reaver on the way. Just waiting for Warhounds to be unleashed so I can get those. It will be good if that's next month, give my wallet some time to recover.

I'm thinking it will be a while before I pick up a Warlord - probably wait until at least the additional weapons are available for it.

So, is the Warhound the last thing we'll be getting for AT for the time being? Has anyone heard of anything in the wings afterward?

 Stormonu wrote:
Well, I have my Reaver on the way. Just waiting for Warhounds to be unleashed so I can get those. It will be good if that's next month, give my wallet some time to recover.

I'm thinking it will be a while before I pick up a Warlord - probably wait until at least the additional weapons are available for it.

So, is the Warhound the last thing we'll be getting for AT for the time being? Has anyone heard of anything in the wings afterward?

Well in the book there is the plasma annihilator and turbo/laser carapace weapons for the warlord shown in the rules section, hoping those are plastic. Other than weapon upgrades I don't know, they did mention a beta garmon campaign book. I would imagine if the game continues to make money they would do cerastus knights and more variants of existing stuff, if not re envision some older titans.

 Stormonu wrote:
Well, I have my Reaver on the way. Just waiting for Warhounds to be unleashed so I can get those. It will be good if that's next month, give my wallet some time to recover.

I'm thinking it will be a while before I pick up a Warlord - probably wait until at least the additional weapons are available for it.

So, is the Warhound the last thing we'll be getting for AT for the time being? Has anyone heard of anything in the wings afterward?

Nothing definite, I think. All we got from the designers at various cons and the Warhammerfest, is that they have designs for the Cerastus knights underway, and obviously the extra weapons have been designed. They still weren't sure in may, whether they would be allwoed to get them out as extra sprues, or as FW resin. My money would be on resin, mainly because that is the model Bloodbowl and Necromunda have followed, but I would love to be wrong.

Another point that came to me: While it is frustrating to wait for the extra weapons packs, I think that in the long run, armor modularity is a really cool concept. Having armor parts for loyalist and traitor titans available from day one is great, and armor plating is harder to go back and change on our finished titans, than adding a different weapon is.

If plastic titans are coming out, I need to get some for painting. Maybe some Chaos Titans?

 Xanthos wrote:
...the extra weapons have been designed. They still weren't sure in may, whether they would be allwoed to get them out as extra sprues, or as FW resin. My money would be on resin, mainly because that is the model Bloodbowl and Necromunda have followed, but I would love to be wrong.

There was a video taken when they first unveiled the box contents at an open day earlier this year, and on it one of the game designers says that most weapon options will be done in plastic with only rarer exceptions like the Warp Missile being in resin. I would totally expect to see other 'C' sprues for the Reaver and Warlord, with another set of weapons and alternative head design.

Beyond that they've also mentioned other Knights, Ordo Sinister psi-titans and the precursor design to the old Epic Slaanesh scout titans. I've also been reading Imperator this week (which was released relatively recently) and interestingly that mentions a 'Warrior' class titan fighting alongside the main three. Could be something for the future.

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Perhaps the next edition will have a line to the effect of "once rarer than Warlords, rediscovered plasti-luminum STCs have allowed for increasing Reaver production"


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On a more serious note, I wonder about the future.

We know the next releases will be:
Warhounds
Extra weapons

And then...

They say they don't want to get into tanks and infantry and go full epic, so let's rule that out for the moment.

That leaves:
New Imperial titans and Knights
Chaos mutant variants
Xeno Titans (Eldar and Ork designs would be essentially unchanged from 30k to 40k)
War Engines (Leviathans, Ordinatus)

Or, close it down and move on to the big Manowar relaunch...

There'll be a bunch of alt-Knight stuff too.

Plus I suspect that after the initial plastic the cadence of releases is going to slow waay down.

 Azreal13 wrote:


Plus I suspect that after the initial plastic the cadence of releases is going to slow waay down.

A bit like this thread?

My hype has worn away. I'll buy a Reaver and 2 Warhounds I think, and be content with my 40K Knights / Armigers after that.

Assuming GW intend to support Titanicus into 2019 and beyond, its gonna have to be either Xenos Titans or "new" Imperial Titans. My money would be on more Imperial stuff. I just hope its not all via FW.

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
There's not much on the schedule, only really Spiel in Germany which tends to be more board- and card-game focused like Gencon. It's the sort of place where they'd announce content like Space Adventures, Munchkin or Blitz Bowl.
There's also a WHW 40k open day at the end of November.

 Elbows wrote:
Not only does $60 seem "okay" (I view it solely at max discount which I could find it at), but it makes the $110 price on the Warlord that much more galling/stupid to me.

It's not as obvious from the photo above, but the Reaver model really does have about half the mass of a Warlord and the sprues seem to be half the size too. It's basically half a Warlord for half the price.

I also have a theory that the Reaver is priced akin to an Intercessor squad in 40k because it fulfills a similar role as the main battleline unit and you're likely to have the most of them. Meanwhile the Warlord is priced akin to 40k Repulsors / Gorkanauts, because typical armies will use them as a supporting unit rather than a core unit.

That would actually go against fluff where WARLORDS are actually most numerous. Reavers being more ancient they have technology that's harder to replicate than the warlord that's newer and not having quite as fancy technology as reaver. Reaver class technology on warlord sized titan would be superior to the warlord.

Thats the 40k fluff. This is 30k - in 30k Reavers are more numerous than the Warlords and act as the mainstay of the titan legions.

At least thats what ive been able to gather from the more recent fluff.

Lets assume they switch to the same "1 per-quarter(but sometimes more like 1 per-third)" release models as the other SGs.

-Warlord upgrade sprue.
-Reaver upgrade sprue.
-Warhound upgrade sprue.
-Questoris upgrade sprue.
-Cerastus Knights.
-Acastus Knights.
-The new GW bigknights.
-Proto-Subjugator and other "precursor" Imperial versions of later Chaos Titans.
-New Reaver-scale Titan/s.
-New Warlord-scale Titan/s.

Those are just the likely Imperial releases, and they could easily stretch that out to two year's worth if they wanted to. I'm hoping they don't, but they could.

We might start getting explicitly Chaotic releases around the climax of the new Siege of Terra series(*sigh*), though who knows when that will be.

I suspect anyone hoping for Xenos sooner than late 2020 is in for a disappointment, though I'd be happy to be wrong on that.

I suspect they'll do a single additional knight kit with 2 of the less common bodies and a bunch of alternate weapons. I can't imagine them doing separate sprues for all the different niche knights.

Warhound upgrade sprue? The kit already contains all the main weapon options and a variety of carapaces. Any warhound bits will likely be resin.

The main Warhound parts I could see them adding is the armour panels for a Lucius version.

we can also expect additional books with additional Legio rules and Maniples. For example I've seen at least one Maniple that employs 3 reavers and 2 warhounds, it's possiable that FW will just tell us to use a Axiom Maniple with Legio Gryphonicus rules but I doubt it.

Regarding Reaver's fluff, the Reaver is still eistablished in the fluff as being older but well nothing has been offically chanegd about it being more common I think Mostly because the Warlord has been so rare when depicted in FW products (due to it not having ahd a model until VERY VERY recently)

Consider for example the Titan Task force from Siege of Vraks, a Warp Runners force from M 41



A mix of Reavers and Warhounds. As I said the real reason for this has been simply the avaliability of warhound and reaver titan models but no warlords until VERY recently. but we've got 2 or so decades of examples of titan deployments with no warlords but plenty of reavers. Making Warlords more common would IMHO be at odds with what we've seen

On my way to bed, so haven't got time to link the pics, but shamelessly nicking this post from the LOTR thread with a link to a Battle Bunnies blog with dribble worthy Warhound pics..

nickelkers wrote:
Some good photos of the unrealeased forgeworld models in here: http://battlebunnies.blogspot.com/2018/09/golden-demon-winners-day-2018.html?m=1

EDIT

Oh, go on, just one..

looks like warhounds will have 2+ carapieces. my guess is 3, 1 with the eye, 1 blank, 1 with the college titanica symbol on it

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Perhaps the next edition will have a line to the effect of "once rarer than Warlords, rediscovered plasti-luminum STCs have allowed for increasing Reaver production"

Or why not keep it as it is? What's wrong with the current fluff? More interesting actually that biggest isn't always most rare or technologically more advanced. Fits nicely with 40k's degrading tech idea that it's the medium one that's technologically most advanced but tech lost resulting in size bigger being done on inferior tech and thus better only due to size.

tneva82 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Perhaps the next edition will have a line to the effect of "once rarer than Warlords, rediscovered plasti-luminum STCs have allowed for increasing Reaver production"

Or why not keep it as it is? What's wrong with the current fluff? More interesting actually that biggest isn't always most rare or technologically more advanced. Fits nicely with 40k's degrading tech idea that it's the medium one that's technologically most advanced but tech lost resulting in size bigger being done on inferior tech and thus better only due to size.

Because it's needlessly convoluted, offers nothing of any real interest fluff wise, and won't represent the reality we'll see on the tabletop.

I mean it's literally a single throw-away line to explain the fact that the old core box only had warlord titans in it. Let it go.

If we are lucky we may see the “tri” legged imperial titans

 Zethnar wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Perhaps the next edition will have a line to the effect of "once rarer than Warlords, rediscovered plasti-luminum STCs have allowed for increasing Reaver production"

Or why not keep it as it is? What's wrong with the current fluff? More interesting actually that biggest isn't always most rare or technologically more advanced. Fits nicely with 40k's degrading tech idea that it's the medium one that's technologically most advanced but tech lost resulting in size bigger being done on inferior tech and thus better only due to size.

Because it's needlessly convoluted, offers nothing of any real interest fluff wise, and won't represent the reality we'll see on the tabletop.

I mean it's literally a single throw-away line to explain the fact that the old core box only had warlord titans in it. Let it go.

Opposite is throwaway single line saying opposite. Whopedoo. You waste more time changing when there is nothing to be GAINED by changing it. You are wasting time and gain nothing compared to not changing things. You actually lose unusual fluff tidbit and go for more generic dime in a dozen version.

What, Martian Tripods?