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This is the most recent (and still in print) fluff I can find on Titan Legion composition:

The Collegia Titanica came to rate the strength of each Titan Legion according to a complex formula that allotted each a Militaris grade. First tier designations ranged from 'primus' to 'denarii', with a range of further clausal numerical definitions describing the Legio 's specific capabilities, specialisations and other characteristics. Though it rarely told the whole truth, the most obvious measure of a Titan Legion 's strength was ever the number of god-engines it could field, with the largest maintaining as many as 200-300, while the smallest might be able to muster barely a dozen. In reality however, the mixture of Titan classes was a far more reliable indicator of potency than raw numbers. Few indeed could field the colossal lmperator class, while almost all fielded significant numbers of Warhound Scout Titans, the lightest common engine, with the ubiquitous Warlord and the standard Battle Titan, a proven and powerful design which made up the bulk of most Legios' main strength. There were many other classes besides, notably the ancient Reaver and several Warlord variants such as the Nemesis and Nightgaunt and other, rarer chassis whose designs such as the Apocalypse, Carnivore and Komodo were unique.

Many Titan Legions had a particular mix of god-engines they preferred to commit to battle, exemplifying their own specific battle doctrines. Legio Audax, also known as the 'Ember Wolves ', for example, fielded a large number of Warhound Scout Titans, employing them as fast-moving hunting packs that were fearsomely effective at harrying and bringing down far larger enemy engines. Most Legios however, sought to maintain a balanced and flexible force able to prosecute a wide range of operations and confront many different foes.

The Reaver is a Battle Titan and a mainstay of the great Titan Legions. It is smaller and lighter than the massive Warlord class, but is still a vast machine, protected by thick adamantine armour plates and carries devastating firepower. A truly ancient design. each Titan Legion maintains an active number of Reavers
of various patterns and, in particular, the Mars pattern Reaver is said to the the oldest of all Titans forged on the Red Planet, its origins long predating even the Great Crusade.

Interesting indeed!

Warlord variants Nemesis and Nightgaunt and Apocalypse, Carnivore and Komodo.

And the Warmonger too, right?

 Formosa wrote:
If we are lucky we may see the “tri” legged imperial titans

If we're really lucky, that ridiculous nonsense will go back where it should have remained in the first place instead of leaking out - the dark corners of the numpty author's brain.

The Mechanicus/m doesn't need any more lazy, cringe-inducing "lul, War of the Worlds innit, geddit, cus they're Martians, geddit, geddit, haha, ain't we funny" pish, and Imperial Titans are and should remain bipedal.

I for one am perecttly happy with tech priests digging up war of the worlds Martian tech and assuming it must be human tech.

I think the problem is that a competing product is doing Martian Tripods as straight Martian Tripods. I know 40k used to be a generic mish-mash, and still is in a lot of ways, but I think it's also become its own thing and doesn't really need to loot pop-culture for content. There's all sorts of places they can go with their own IP.

 Nurglitch wrote:
I think the problem is that a competing product is doing Martian Tripods as straight Martian Tripods. I know 40k used to be a generic mish-mash, and still is in a lot of ways, but I think it's also become its own thing and doesn't really need to loot pop-culture for content. There's all sorts of places they can go with their own IP.

Well that's the thing though - Titans are the GW version of "Martians use giant walking thingies" already. Going all the way to straight-up "it's an actual tripod" takes it from homage/inside joke to that guy everyone knows who's said something they're convinced is super witty and will explain to you at length exactly why it's witty and you should be laughing(because, inevitably, you're not).

I also don't see how it would work with the Mechanicum/Titanicus aesthetic - the only tripedal walkers I've seen that looked any good have a very rounded aesthetic with long flexible limbs. Ones that have a boxier, more "humanoid with an extra leg" style just look daft to my eye. There's a reason there's pretty much no tripedal(as in, "has three actual legs", not cheating nonsense like "well sometimes they rest on their tail a bit") creatures in nature.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Punisher class just to see how GW would handle a tri legged walker. But they have been leaving fluff hooks for new classes of Titan for years. Apparently one of the more recent HH novels mentions a Warrior class Titan that's smaller than a Warhound. Although from reading interviews with some of the BL authors a lot of things are initially just put in for flavour. But they can find there way to the table top(this is what happened with the SM Mastadon).

Yodrin and I are at complete odds on the tri-walker (we’ve mentioned it before). I’d love to see some tri-walkers as Admech, though an Eldar or a crazy Ork version would be interesting to me as well.

Mostly, I’d like to see a titan with leg structure akin to the Admech onager - something crab or scorpion like, maybe three, four or six-limbed. Maybe something that looks like the Goliath/Crabgunner from Battletech/Fang of the Sun Dougram or the Scorpion.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
I think the problem is that a competing product is doing Martian Tripods as straight Martian Tripods. I know 40k used to be a generic mish-mash, and still is in a lot of ways, but I think it's also become its own thing and doesn't really need to loot pop-culture for content. There's all sorts of places they can go with their own IP.

Well that's the thing though - Titans are the GW version of "Martians use giant walking thingies" already.

I thought Titans were GW's answer to Battletech's mecha craze of the 80's?

Speaking of Battletech they have a tripod `Mech that doesn't look too bad called the Ares.

I don't think the aesthetics is the problem...the complete lack of ability to move on three legs is the problem. There is nothing in the physical world stopping that Battletech mech from toppling forward toward the leg which is lifted...space magic?

The only three legged animals in the world are basically maimed dogs and cats who have a lengthy torso and gallop rather than walk really. An erect robot body would have more or less zero ability to move with three legs.

 Elbows wrote:
I don't think the aesthetics is the problem...the complete lack of ability to move on three legs is the problem. There is nothing in the physical world stopping that Battletech mech from toppling forward toward the leg which is lifted...space magic?

The only three legged animals in the world are basically maimed dogs and cats who have a lengthy torso and gallop rather than walk really. An erect robot body would have more or less zero ability to move with three legs.

There’s nothing stopping a two legged Titan from toppling the moment it lifts a leg either, at that scale.

 Elbows wrote:
I don't think the aesthetics is the problem...the complete lack of ability to move on three legs is the problem. There is nothing in the physical world stopping that Battletech mech from toppling forward toward the leg which is lifted...space magic?

The only three legged animals in the world are basically maimed dogs and cats who have a lengthy torso and gallop rather than walk really. An erect robot body would have more or less zero ability to move with three legs.

Except modern bipedal robots already move by effectively falling forwards and catching themselves, they are using gravity.

 Elbows wrote:
I don't think the aesthetics is the problem...the complete lack of ability to move on three legs is the problem. There is nothing in the physical world stopping that Battletech mech from toppling forward toward the leg which is lifted...space magic?

Space Magic is part and parcel to 40k. And Battletech. And really most sci-fi.

And aesthetics were being discussed. The Ares is not a spindle-legged Martian tripod. It is a bulky, physics-rejecting block of guns and armor that spin-walks its way through your lines belching fire and raining death. Something like that is perfect for IoM.

Or the potential answer is that is not a tripod, but has two main legs, with a third that it uses to brace when firing super heavy weapons

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I don't think the aesthetics is the problem...the complete lack of ability to move on three legs is the problem. There is nothing in the physical world stopping that Battletech mech from toppling forward toward the leg which is lifted...space magic?

Space Magic is part and parcel to 40k. And Battletech. And really most sci-fi.

And aesthetics were being discussed. The Ares is not a spindle-legged Martian tripod. It is a bulky, physics-rejecting block of guns and armor that spin-walks its way through your lines belching fire and raining death. Something like that is perfect for IoM.

It's worth noting no one in Battletech really likes the Ares, it only exists because wizkids put out a model of it,


IMHO a three legged walker would work best with a forward leg that acts as a stablizer. something like the AT-AP from star wars


where the third leg is a stablization leg that folds up when the walker is moving.

go with a 3 legged walker design like that, maybe have a giant turreted weapon on the top and you have a design that is both visually distinct, and one whose design suggests a role (a long range artillery unit)


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Or the potential answer is that is not a tripod, but has two main legs, with a third that it uses to brace when firing super heavy weapons

Great Minds think alike.

Not that I think that it would fit with the current aesthetic but there was a Star Wars walker on three legs that was pretty cool. I guess it folds the middle one away when walking but serves as a stabilizer when it is firing...

 Commander Cain wrote:
Not that I think that it would fit with the current aesthetic but there was a Star Wars walker on three legs that was pretty cool. I guess it folds the middle one away when walking but serves as a stabilizer when it is firing...

... that was literally exactly what I posted heh

my ideal would be basicly a titan with a stalizer leg that had a massive Macro canon on it's back.. or maybe several.

something like the MAC III from Macross might be a fun idea

Does anyone remember when this thread was for news and rumors about Adeptus Titanicus?

 Azreal13 wrote:
Does anyone remember when this thread was for news and rumors about Adeptus Titanicus?

It still is, right now what we know for a fact is that GW/FW might release titans briefly hinted at but never actually described, we know a 3 legged titan has been described and we are thus theorizing about how it might work.

It's worth noting no one in Battletech really likes the Ares, it only exists because wizkids put out a model of it,

Weird, thats the first time ive seen a mech from Batfletech and thought to myself that it actually looks cool.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Does anyone remember when this thread was for news and rumors about Adeptus Titanicus?

It still is, right now what we know for a fact is that GW/FW might release titans briefly hinted at but never actually described, we know a 3 legged titan has been described and we are thus theorizing about how it might work.

I'm pretty sure tenuous speculation is still considered OT in an N+R thread.

Wasn't there mention of a three legged Titan in one of the Beast Arises novels?

 Malika2 wrote:
Wasn't there mention of a three legged Titan in one of the Beast Arises novels?

Nah a Gatling Warlord saw the horde and got excited.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Wasn't there mention of a three legged Titan in one of the Beast Arises novels?

Nah a Gatling Warlord saw the horde and got excited.

Apparently it was called a Punisher Class, armed with an underslung Sun Fury Plasma Annihilator.

Just hope we see weapon expansions sooner rather than later. It’s holding me off from fully committing, as I really want to play with the different weapon traits.

 Mysterio wrote:
Interesting indeed!

Warlord variants Nemesis and Nightgaunt and Apocalypse, Carnivore and Komodo.

And the Warmonger too, right?

That's mentioned elsewhere (I think the text xttz quotes is from Horus Heresy book 5, near the end).

Interestingly, the Nemesis, while quoted here as a Warlord variant is described elsewhere in the same book as an Emperor titan. I can only assume it's a significant upgrade from the basic Warlord (or that the Warlord is the top end of the Battle Titan category and Nemesis is the bottom end of the Emperor titans).

I went through the Horus Heresy black books the other day ...

HH1 p139 (Legio Mortis)
Imperator
Nemesis (later described in HH5 as both an Emperor titan (p118) and a Warlord variant (p258))
Apocalypse (these three are described as amongst the most powerful classes of titan)
Nightgaunt (later described in HH5 p258 as a Warlord variant)

HH2 p157 (Legio Atarus)
Carnivore (the Nightgaunt and Carnivore are "mid-classes", comparable to the Reaver)

HH3 p157 (Legio Fureans)
Reviler (light titan, developed and used by Legio Fureans as a "mobile inferno cannon platform" to replace the use of heavier knight chassis among the Legio's retainers
Deathbringer Warlord

HH4 p139 (Legio Tempestus)
Maines

HH5 p118 (Legio Praesagius)
Mirage

HH p258
Komodo

HH7 p133 (Ordo Sinister)
Warlord-Sinister (only 25, used by the Ordo Sinister)



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I played my first game with Reavers last night - My Warlord got taken out by being punched repeatedly in the head by a Reaver titan. It wasn't pretty.

 Malika2 wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Wasn't there mention of a three legged Titan in one of the Beast Arises novels?

Nah a Gatling Warlord saw the horde and got excited.

Apparently it was called a Punisher Class, armed with an underslung Sun Fury Plasma Annihilator.

That would heavily back the stabiliser leg theory. Essentially a variant ordinatus, designed primarily to move and fire one massive gun, possibly with a carapace mount as well.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Spoiler:

That's mentioned elsewhere (I think the text xttz quotes is from Horus Heresy book 5, near the end).

Interestingly, the Nemesis, while quoted here as a Warlord variant is described elsewhere in the same book as an Emperor titan. I can only assume it's a significant upgrade from the basic Warlord (or that the Warlord is the top end of the Battle Titan category and Nemesis is the bottom end of the Emperor titans).

I went through the Horus Heresy black books the other day ...

HH1 p139 (Legio Mortis)
Imperator
Nemesis (later described in HH5 as both an Emperor titan (p118) and a Warlord variant (p258))
Apocalypse (these three are described as amongst the most powerful classes of titan)
Nightgaunt (later described in HH5 p258 as a Warlord variant)

HH2 p157 (Legio Atarus)
Carnivore (the Nightgaunt and Carnivore are "mid-classes", comparable to the Reaver)

HH3 p157 (Legio Fureans)
Reviler (light titan, developed and used by Legio Fureans as a "mobile inferno cannon platform" to replace the use of heavier knight chassis among the Legio's retainers
Deathbringer Warlord

HH4 p139 (Legio Tempestus)
Maines

HH5 p118 (Legio Praesagius)
Mirage

HH p258
Komodo

HH7 p133 (Ordo Sinister)
Warlord-Sinister (only 25, used by the Ordo Sinister)

Thank you for that list - very cool!

I forgot about the Psyker Titans too - looking forward to those.

Really, really want all the Eldar stuff too, soon, hopefuly. Phantoms, Warlocks and the various Eldar Knights.

Ork stuff should be a lot of fun as well.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

I played my first game with Reavers last night - My Warlord got taken out by being punched repeatedly in the head by a Reaver titan. It wasn't pretty.

What was the rest of your force?

And how where the Reavers able to close with your Warlord?

Regarding Titans and walking, I figured that was one of the reasons why they had a plasma reactor, because they needed vast amounts of power for their suspensors and whatnot as well as power-thirsty void shield generators and weapons.

It's also something that I've occasionally wondered about Star Wars, in that they seem to have essentially unlimited anti-grav, and its something they'd have to use in walkers, but what the advantages might be for walkers, skimmers, and weird hybrids aside from rule-of-cool and whatnot.

 Mysterio wrote:


What was the rest of your force?

And how where the Reavers able to close with your Warlord?

We had a Warlord, a Reaver (mine with twin laser blasters, his with Gatling blaster and fist) and three knights each. There was a lot of tall buildings blocking LOS, and I’m crap, that’s how he got me.